News Izak Rankine, Gold coast holding Rankine to Ransom- #FreeIzak

[Scorpus]

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[Danger in Texas]

I don't think he is, he was being touted here as one of the best and most dynamic players of all time and a contender for pick 1

He is tracking to be a good small forward which IMO is below what people thought he would be pre-draft

A ceiling of ‘good’ might be a bit harsh at this point, I still see ‘very good to excellent’ in him, particularly with how mercurial he can be in front of goal. Obviously not all-time great levels, but still quality

The main issue would be his forward pressure, he’s not at an elite level in that regard. Maybe durability, too

 

[rabidcrow]

On the verge? Credit where credit is due, Rozee is already an A grader. Will be a top shelf mid for years to comes while we get the pleasure of watching Jones and McHenry who between them probably don’t even know what a Sherrin looks like.

I agree he has shown A grade quality traits. But Port have still been average against good teams and he has basically led their midfield this year. Would want to see some dominant games against top 6 sides (not just high possession) to say he is at Oliver Petracca Martin Bont type levels

But clearly a star on the rise


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[Scorpus]

A ceiling of ‘good’ might be a bit harsh at this point, I still see ‘very good to excellent’ in him, particularly with how mercurial he can be in front of goal. Obviously not all-time great levels, but still quality

The main issue would be his forward pressure, he’s not at an elite level in that regard. Maybe durability, too

I think he's tracking similarly to players like Pickett and Weightman in the draft after him, in fact I'd have Pickett ahead

The question for me is whether he will stagnate as a 1.5 goal a game forward, or whether he'll accelerate into a Zac Bailey type that in his fourth season was averaging 18 touches and 1.3 goals a game

Zac Bailey is absolutely worth the picks being talked about in here, but he's only one year older and IMO was ahead of Rankine at the same age. I haven't seen enough in Rankine at AFL level to suggest he can become a Bailey for us

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

So does Rachele move into the midfield and resting forward as he gets older? He has looked a class above the others we have in there in the few centre bounce attendances we gave him.

Or will he have a more DeGoey type role where he pinch hits in the middle but terrorises defenders?

 

[DaKids]

I think he's tracking similarly to players like Pickett and Weightman in the draft after him, in fact I'd have Pickett ahead

The question for me is whether he will stagnate as a 1.5 goal a game forward, or whether he'll accelerate into a Zac Bailey type that in his fourth season was averaging 18 touches and 1.3 goals a game

Zac Bailey is absolutely worth the picks being talked about in here, but he's only one year older and IMO was ahead of Rankine at the same age. I haven't seen enough in Rankine at AFL level to suggest he can become a Bailey for us

Stats don’t always tell the full story though. Rankine had roughly same stats as Elliot this year. Stats don’t mention the 8 points Collingwood would have to give back without him.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think he's tracking similarly to players like Pickett and Weightman in the draft after him, in fact I'd have Pickett ahead

The question for me is whether he will stagnate as a 1.5 goal a game forward, or whether he'll accelerate into a Zac Bailey type that in his fourth season was averaging 18 touches and 1.3 goals a game

Zac Bailey is absolutely worth the picks being talked about in here, but he's only one year older and IMO was ahead of Rankine at the same age. I haven't seen enough in Rankine at AFL level to suggest he can become a Bailey for us

I’d agree Pickett’s ahead, but Pickett is also probably tracking to be an all-time pure small forward, considering he’s consistently kicking 40+ at just 21yo

Re: Bailey and Rankine, you’re talking about two different types of players. Bailey more explosive with more occasional CBA potential, Rankine the classier, more mercurial type. I’d be happy if Rankine was able to give us about 16 touches a game, as well as 35-40 goals in a year, especially considering how valuable each of his possessions are. I think he’s capable, he averaged 14 and kicked 29 this year in only 18 games this year

The only problem like I mentioned is, unlike Pickett, I can’t see Rankine ever being a high-level pressure player, so he’s gonna have to make up for it on the offensive side of things

 

[Mutineer]

A ceiling of ‘good’ might be a bit harsh at this point, I still see ‘very good to excellent’ in him, particularly with how mercurial he can be in front of goal. Obviously not all-time great levels, but still quality

The main issue would be his forward pressure, he’s not at an elite level in that regard. Maybe durability, too

Nothing wrong with his pressure before he went to the Suns in fact it was a feature of his game...his biggest weakness as junior was his discipline often giving away stupid free kicks and not being especially "team first".

 

[Scorpus]

I’d agree Pickett’s ahead, but Pickett is also probably tracking to be an all-time pure small forward, considering he’s consistently kicking 40+ at just 21yo

Re: Bailey and Rankine, you’re talking about two different types of players. Bailey more explosive with more occasional CBA potential, Rankine the classier, more mercurial type. I’d be happy if Rankine was able to give us about 16 touches a game, as well as 35-40 goals in a year, especially considering how valuable each of his possessions are. I think he’s capable, he averaged 14 and kicked 29 this year in only 18 games this year

Well that's what I'd want to get if we gave up pick 5, which again is the highest amount given up in a trade for a small forward in over a decade.

I think it's also important to remember that in most years you can draft the best small forward in that draft with a pick in the second half of the first round

So if Rankine wasn't able to transform into a midfielder-forward (jury is out) then he'd have to be an elite small forward and better than a typical year's best young small forward (is he?). Realistically he should be the best small forward in the AFL if we pay that price, and I don't mean with potential to be the best, I mean the confirmed best.

With that said if he can add a midfield game then his value increases substantially like a Bailey or Papley type

 

[Danger in Texas]

Well that's what I'd want to get if we gave up pick 5, which again is the highest amount given up in a trade for a small forward in over a decade.

I think it's also important to remember that in most years you can draft the best small forward in that draft with a pick in the second half of the first round

So if Rankine wasn't able to transform into a midfielder-forward (jury is out) then he'd have to be an elite small forward and better than a typical year's best young small forward (is he?). Realistically he should be the best small forward in the AFL if we pay that price, and I don't mean with potential to be the best, I mean the confirmed best.

With that said if he can add a midfield game then his value increases substantially like a Bailey or Papley type

Yeah I think he can be more than that pure small forward, in time (I hope so, anyway). There’s a number of times he’s pushed up onto a wing this year and provided delivery inside 50 (whilst still being able to be dangerous around goal), with Burgo helping him you’d hope to see that more

The signing is based on projection, more than anything. It’s obviously a risk, but one that’ll help out our team’s dire needs immensely if it comes off

 

[Mutineer]

Well that's what I'd want to get if we gave up pick 5, which again is the highest amount given up in a trade for a small forward in over a decade.

I think it's also important to remember that in most years you can draft the best small forward in that draft with a pick in the second half of the first round

So if Rankine wasn't able to transform into a midfielder-forward (jury is out) then he'd have to be an elite small forward and better than a typical year's best young small forward (is he?). Realistically he should be the best small forward in the AFL if we pay that price, and I don't mean with potential to be the best, I mean the confirmed best.

With that said if he can add a midfield game then his value increases substantially like a Bailey or Papley type

Can you organise for us to get Nick Watson in the 2nd half of the 1st round next year or maybe local lad Ashton Moir? Moir being more a medium forward but I'd take him this year with a pick in the second half of the 1st round in this draft Draft.

 

[spenze]

They ain’t going at all for Scenario 1 and what is the point in giving up a best 22 player?

We need to keep all our best players. Get rid of the .

We have a few of them in our best 22

 

[LeftyLuke]

Because he hasn't lived up to his draft expectations. His value has gone down since he was drafted and others taken around him have increased in value

I think people get too caught up with draft number. What a player has done on the AFL footy field is what matters. Look at Dawson, he was around pick 40 but a first round for him was a steal. Rankine hasn't really shown a great deal yet. That's why GC allegedly aren't offering him a long deal. Therefore they can't ask us to overpay if they don't value him themself. The other question is are we making a mistake allegedly offering him such a long deal on big money if the club that knows him the best isn't. I understand you have to overpay to get a player out but our deal is significantly better than theirs if true. If they offered him 5@800 and we offered him 5@850 they would have justification to ask for pick 5.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think people get too caught up with draft number. What they have done on the AFL footy field is what matters. Look at Dawson, he was around pick 40 but a first round for him was a steal. Rankine hasn't really shown a great deal yet. That's why GC aren't offering him a long deal. Therefore they can't ask us to overpay if they don't value him themself. The other question is are we making a mistake allegedly offering him such a long deal on big money if the club that knows him the best isn't. I understand you have to overpay to get a player out but our deal is significantly better than theirs allegedly.

The two clubs have very different salary cap positions, hence the different deals being offered. I'm confident if they had the space, GC would offer it.

Would people be willing to offer pick 5 for Cyril Rioli in his 3rd year? I think that is Izak's ceiling, will win games for us.

 

[LeftyLuke]

The two clubs have very different salary cap positions, hence the different deals being offered. I'm confident if they had the space, GC would offer it.

Would people be willing to offer pick 5 for Cyril Rioli in his 3rd year? I think that is Izak's ceiling, will win games for us.

I wouldn't mind knowing if we made our offer without knowing what GC had offered him or not. If we knew their salary cap constraints we may have been able to get the deal over the line with a lesser offer. There just seems to be such a large disparity between the two offers. I think if he was critical to their future they would have found the money by trading someone else out to guarantee he stayed. If they have mismanaged their cap and are trying to lowball him then they shouldn't stand in his way by asking for overs in a trade.

 

[ABAB]

I wouldn't mind knowing if we made our offer without knowing what GC had offered him or not. If we knew their salary cap constraints we may have been able to get the deal over the line with a lesser offer. There just seems to be such a large disparity between the two offers.

There's no way Rankine will leave for only $50K more so whether it's $100 or $150K is neither here nor there.

 

[Mutineer]

I wouldn't mind knowing if we made our offer without knowing what GC had offered him or not. If we knew their salary cap constraints we may have been able to get the deal over the line with a lesser offer. There just seems to be such a large disparity between the two offers.

You know what the offers both clubs have on the table?
Or you are going by the BS being written and talked in the media who really don't have a clue?

 

[hippyhippy]

Draft picks are overrated... especially if our recruitment department uses them.... you can get a high draft pick with still high potential right now with a few years development ... sure use a bit of unused cap space.... or take a risk with even more unknowns....

We've been watching rankine for a while now ... I'll take him without question. No matter what you do... everything is a risk reward scenario... sometimes it works out, sometimes not.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

The two clubs have very different salary cap positions, hence the different deals being offered. I'm confident if they had the space, GC would offer it.

Would people be willing to offer pick 5 for Cyril Rioli in his 3rd year? I think that is Izak's ceiling, will win games for us.

Won’t next year be his 5th year playing afl?

 

[GameofSloanes]

Scenario 1 looks far more appealing.

To be honest, scenario 3 would be a disaster, if we haven't learned from trading down 2 picks in a draft from last time then I just don't know. This years pick should be off the table, next years I am more comfortable, we have a good shot at getting an elite mid this year, we should not put ourselves 2 picks further back where our club starts thinking "KPD stocks a bit light"

Get a KPD with a second or even 3rd round pick, or trade for Cox

 

[Thetrader15]

Get a KPD with a second or even 3rd round pick, or trade for Cox

With 2 years to go on his contract, Cox will be a late first round pick IMO. If he was cheap, sure, go for it, he's a good player.

I don't think KPDs are a huge need, Murray, Butts and Worrell look good, plus Doedee and if there's a LTI, throw the Dragon back there and tell him to try to mark everything.

 

[GameofSloanes]

With 2 years to go on his contract, Cox will be a late first round pick IMO. If he was cheap, sure, go for it, he's a good player.

I don't think KPDs are a huge need, Murray, Butts and Worrell look good, plus Doedee and if there's a LTI, throw the Dragon back there and tell him to try to mark everything.

Dont disagree, we need depth not spending first rounders on KPDs was what I was trying to say. Im not counting Doedee as he's proven he isn't one

We. Need. Elite. Mids.

 

[BunjiMac]

The two clubs have very different salary cap positions, hence the different deals being offered. I'm confident if they had the space, GC would offer it.

Would people be willing to offer pick 5 for Cyril Rioli in his 3rd year? I think that is Izak's ceiling, will win games for us.

I think he's ceiling is more Akermanis than Rioli personally. And yes, I would be willing to trade 5 for either.

 

[LoBu]

Dont disagree, we need depth not spending first rounders on KPDs was what I was trying to say. Im not counting Doedee as he's proven he isn't one

We. Need. Elite. Mids.

Take the elite mid when he's available, either via draft or trade.

When he's not, take the other positions we need.

 

[rabidcrow]

I think he's ceiling is more Akermanis than Rioli personally. And yes, I would be willing to trade 5 for either.

Injury is the only concern for Rankine. He will be a massive box office star at Adelaide Oval. He will be the man for the next 8-10 years


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[George CantStandYa]

Rowey is saying the club has told him he's coming to play midfield, but then again so was Dawson