News Andrew Thorburn is retaining legal counsel for wrongful termination by the Essendon Football Club. NOW WITH BIG BANGS

[Chief]

Posts arguing about the validity of transgender people and abortion and all that stuff are being moved. Stick to the topic please.

Thread bans will start tonight for people who cannot stay on topic.

Essendon Football Club CEO Announcement.

Further news:

• New Bombers boss responds to backlash after appointment that ‘spits in the face of every queer Essendon member’
• New Essendon CEO, Andrew Thorburn, involved in church expressing homophobic, anti-abortion views
• Victorian Premier Andrews slams absolutely appalling views of new Essendon CEO'S church
• New Dons CEO to lead 'inclusive' club despite divisive church links

• Thorburn resigns... Essendon Club Statement
• AFR article - paywalled

 

[FRUMPY]

You think he took the position to change their beliefs and the way they interpret the bible? Does he start with the pastor?

No idea, just like you don't know if he is a homophobe even though you have called him one....

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[Carn The Berries]

Can I ask a question without being called something as a consequence.

Why are people ‘offended’ by people who are pro life?

You don’t have to agree with it but what is offensive about it?

The opposing side of that argument is that the choice about whether to proceed with a pregnancy or not should lie with the mother. But that is a much larger discussion that isn't appropriate in this thread.

 

[nipst@r]

This thread really took a turn.

I think can be a successful ceo of Essendon but for a club that appears as a outdated boys club with old fashioned views it's not surprising and I do t think the right decision.

Sheedy, coterie groups, our new CEO (seemingly with his role in the church) are stuck in the past with thinking.

From the outside looking in, The club as a whole lacks diversity and progressive thought in positions of power so it's not a surprise.

I think this filters down through every level. Whether ess can be successful despite this remains to be seen.

Time will ultimately tell and not saying sack him but for me it still points to our old school mentality that we seem to be stuck in.

 

[ourgameplandoesntwork]

Yes, because I don't think you're a good person. Have a cry about it.

Ad hominem is also not fallacious when it is directly relevant. Like when a homophobe talks about there being insufficient evidence to prove sexual orientation isn't a choice. In that scenario, the character of the person making the claim is completely relevant (and worth going after).

Again you have no scientific evidence for your claim.

 

[owen87]

sure, he was able and would be able to do the same thing at Essendon, i dont think anyone is doubting that.....all i am saying is to think that he doesnt hold these beliefs is naive

Well you're assuming his beliefs based on <things> whereas we can look at his actual public statements and actions as CEO of NAB, along with this morning's interview with SEN.

If this is truly who Essendon thinks is best for the job then good luck to them. But he is damaged goods.

Sure, that's fair criticism, one which he will need to demonstrate via his actions as CEO that he's learned from.

 

[gouki88]

Can I ask a question without being called something as a consequence.

Why are people ‘offended’ by people who are pro life?

You don’t have to agree with it but what is offensive about it?

Because you are stripping women of bodily autonomy. How can you be oblivious to that?

 

[ash_1050]

Can I ask a question without being called something as a consequence.

Why are people ‘offended’ by people who are pro life?

You don’t have to agree with it but what is offensive about it?

It strips women of their personal autonomy, which is stripping them of their rights.
It would be like forcing vasectomies on people over the age of 35 simply because you feel men shouldn't have a right to choose.

 

[FRUMPY]

Personal views are personal views and that shouldnt affect how you do business. But this guy's views are known to the public and they look to be at complete odds with the public views the AFL holds.

What a bizarre choice by the Essendon board. Was he really the best candidate?

Hawthorn are dealing with issues from 10 years ago. Essendon look like they want to create a heap of brand new issues. For no logical reason.

What are his views? Alot of people claiming what they are but no one actually has any idea either way

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[ash_1050]

Race is an inherent aspect of a person. That’s scientific. There is zero science that shows this about sexual orientation. To suggest so is only a claim, unsupported by science.

You're spot on, sexual orientation is a choice. Generally I'm straight Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and gay on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Sundays I like to mix it up and be bi as it makes life so much more interesting.

 

[owen87]

Can I ask a question without being called something as a consequence.

Why are people ‘offended’ by people who are pro life?

You don’t have to agree with it but what is offensive about it?

So long as being pro-life starts and ends as them personally not supporting abortion, but not stopping others from accessing one, then I have no particular issue. Generally speaking so long as it doesn't impact anyone else I have no issue with what people want to think or believe in.

 

[citizen-erased]

He is safe as houses. Right up until the point a bag of "anti-inflamatories" falls out of his pocket at the casino.

ps - as a Hawthorn supporter, than you to the Essendon Football Club lol

no one steals our limelight
not north, not the hawks, not the grand final.
no one!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Can I ask a question without being called something as a consequence.

Why are people ‘offended’ by people who are pro life?

You don’t have to agree with it but what is offensive about it?

That's a question for the women in your life.

People against abortion generally believe a woman's body is her own and if she wants to get an abortion, it's her business and nobody else's.

 

[gouki88]

Again you have no scientific evidence for your claim.

Your insistence of peer-reviewed scientific theory as being below your bar of acceptability is just hilarious. Nobody cares what your need for evidence is. There are plenty of pieces that support it being a combination of genetics, environment, and bodily chemistry - i.e., nothing to do with choice.

 

[Carn The Berries]

What are his views? Alot of people claiming what they are but no one actually has any idea either way

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This is the entire point though, they don't actually need to be his personal views. He is the leader of an organisation that has espoused those views and, in his role as chair, he has done nothing to contradict them. Hence he becomes attached to it indirectly.

 

[HairyO]

What are his views? Alot of people claiming what they are but no one actually has any idea either way

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He is the chairman of a church which is against abortion and homosexuality. Its not like he is just a member of the church, he is running the church and has not spoken out against those views nor said that he is using his position to change those views.

 

[Chief]

seems like such a monster

NAB CEO??

Yeah you would have to be a monster to run that band of thieves.

 

[nipst@r]

I think it could ultimately be a good thing that it has been called out so early as may need to compensate for the perception that is out there.

So sure hel be quick to demonstrate his inclusiveness and openness. Ultimately if this happens and improves ess it's a good thing. If he has outdated views and behaves in a way that sponsors and members don't approve of then it should also come out as the spotlight is on and he will be removed.

I feel the later and judging by nab he is probably not fussed on what people think as long as he gets the cash.

 

[FRUMPY]

This is the entire point though, they don't actually need to be his personal views. He is the leader of an organisation that has espoused those views and, in his role as chair, he has done nothing to contradict them. Hence he becomes attached to it indirectly.

I'm not aware of what he has or hasn't done as chair in his 2 years.....would appear as the head of NAB he was quite keen on making his feelings known and contradict his church

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[kozi]

Dodoro sitting back thinking what a fine organisation they are. Forever finding new ways to take the attention off him.

 

[ourgameplandoesntwork]

Your insistence of peer-reviewed scientific theory as being below your bar of acceptability is just hilarious. Nobody cares what your need for evidence is. There are plenty of pieces that support it being a combination of genetics, environment, and bodily chemistry - i.e., nothing to do with choice.

So you have no experimental scientific evidence.

You’ve made repeated claims equating certain things with science and then you’re not able to provide any experimental scientific evidence. Peer-reviewed means nothing if the peers aren’t using science (you are using the argument from authority fallacy).

That is the last that I will post because clearly you are not interested in science. Man, you are incredibly dishonest.

I genuinely feel sorry for people like you. You’re incredibly confused and contradictory.

I’ll leave it there.

 

[Bostonian]

I enjoy the fact that in 2022, some of the disgusting stances held by various religions are being held to the fire.

They absolutely deserve the scrutiny they get, as do the followers of them.

if Thorburn doesn't believe in his church's teachings then he shouldn't be the leader of it. Simple.

Isn't the best place to effect change from within?

 

[citizen-erased]

Dodoro sitting back thinking what a fine organisation they are. Forever finding new ways to take the attention off him.

not one hard to deal with story yet.
and trade week is 2 days old

 

[FRUMPY]

Probably plenty of board members on AFL clubs thinking 'dont look into what church or groups I'm affiliated wjth'

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[QuietB]

It also has to be said, CEO of NAB to CEO of Essendon is a career move in the wrong direction

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Can I ask a question without being called something as a consequence.

Why are people ‘offended’ by people who are pro life?

You don’t have to agree with it but what is offensive about it?

Because this church wants rape victims to be forced to not have an abortion.
Plus no one has the right to tell a women what to do with her own body. It's called liberty.