Traded Mega deal - 4 clubs, 2 players, 14 picks (inc #1, #2, #3, #8, #12 and 5 future picks)

[XhazzafootyX]

Did north get stooged

 

[Shueygod]

For a club as devoid of young talent as West Coast, splitting 2 into something that results in 8 and 12 is clearly a good way to go.

Considering there’ll be better offers available, I don’t think it is.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For a club as devoid of young talent as West Coast, splitting 2 into something that results in 8 and 12 is clearly a good way to go.

Maybe....but there's no reason we can't do something similar to that closer or on draft night.

There's zero reason to do it now just to help Port out unless it's in our favour

 

[Shueygod]

GWS are obviously not doing that

They likely would.

 

[bh90210fan]

GWS are obviously not doing that

They were literally offering up that deal for Norths pick one in the mega trade

 

[Lore]

I hope this rule remains consistent then, not something they are happy to change next time a big Vic club needs it. You would assume the intent behind this rule was to prevent clubs putting all their eggs into the now basket and essentially tanking their future, would be hard to argue that is what Port would be doing given they are doing this to get a 19 year old. But oh well, that is what the rules are.

If we get any F2 we can trade ours, is that right? Or do we need to keep one if the F1 or F2 picks actually tied to us?

Any pick seems to tick the box, so long as you have either an F1 or a pick in all the other rounds.

 

[King_Tredrea]

They were literally offering up that deal for Norths pick one in the mega trade

The mega trade stuff is all BS

 

[Shueygod]

The mega trade stuff is all BS

Nah mate, GWS want Cadman, they’d do that trade.

 

[Forward Press]

Is that according to the points system or your opinion? If I was an Eagles supporter I would want to do that deal.

Let's not engage in pointless hypotheticals, the only reason why you're doing so is because you're a self-interested Port supporter (which I don't blame).

There is no metric where a player offered 4 years, 500k, no strings attached, is a five pick downgrade in the 20s. This is leaving aside trading out pick 2 - pick 2, FFS, in a draft where the top handful are a clear stand out by all draft watchers - for a big shift down the top 10 and an extra late first round pick, with a mediocre pick as a sweetener.

We have no obligation to help Port get JHF and if they want Rioli they can pay a fair price. Maybe you'll have to give up a player you don't want to lose, eh? Now you know how North, Geelong and WC feel.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Let's not engage in pointless hypotheticals, the only reason why you're doing so is because you're a self-interested Port supporter (which I don't blame).

There is no metric where a player offered 4 years, 500k, no strings attached, is a five pick downgrade in the 20s. This is leaving aside trading out pick 2 - pick 2, FFS - for a big shift down the top 10 and an extra late first round picks, with a mediocre pick as a sweetener.

We have no obligation to help Port get JHF and if they want Rioli they can pay a fair price.

We have leverage with Junior. He will get to us in the PSD without any concern.

 

[bh90210fan]

The mega trade stuff is all BS

No, that’s what happens when a club identifies a player they want armed with the resources to get it done

Port fill up their shopping cart to the brim and want to pay with used buttons and Riley Bonner

 

[philthy05]

Considering there’ll be better offers available, I don’t think it is.

Name them?



Here’s an idea


If you have a better offer to split pick 2… take it…

Why haven’t you taken it already if it exists?

Why haven’t we heard of this so called better offer to split pick 2 leaked?

 

[Forward Press]

We have leverage with Junior. He will get to us in the PSD without any concern.

Fine.

That doesn't necessarily mean we're going to hand over pick 2 without something that approaches it's value in return - you guys want JHF, not us. If you want to involve a third party, you are always going to have to give them an incentive to do so.

 

[TheBigHorne]

We have leverage with Junior. He will get to us in the PSD without any concern.

I'm sure the clubs like Hawthorn, Essendon and North who were willing to take on Bowes' contract will use the extra cap space for nothing

Or Port are offering Junior super overs that would deter any of those clubs from offering that contract he demands and that says a lot more about Port than the three previously mentioned.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Fine.

That doesn't necessarily mean we're going to hand over pick 2 without something that approaches it's value in return - you guys want JHF, not us. If you want to involve a third party, you are always going to have to give them an incentive to do so.

As I said, having 8 12 and 33 would be better for West Coast then having 2. I understand that a better deal could be worked on draft night. Doesn’t make my initial statement wrong

 

[Forward Press]

As I said, having 8 12 and 33 would be better for West Coast then having 2. I understand that a better deal could be worked on draft night. Doesn’t make my initial statement wrong

If you ask the West Coast board I think you will find that's a minority opinion. The third post in this thread also expresses a similar sentiment, from a neutral supporter. Let's not pretend that is a fair deal.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I hope this rule remains consistent then, not something they are happy to change next time a big Vic club needs it. You would assume the intent behind this rule was to prevent clubs putting all their eggs into the now basket and essentially tanking their future, would be hard to argue that is what Port would be doing given they are doing this to get a 19 year old. But oh well, that is what the rules are.

If we get any F2 we can trade ours, is that right? Or do we need to keep one if the F1 or F2 picks actually tied to us?

Yes, you can trade out your future 2nd if you get another one.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The mega trade stuff is all BS

Was just a made up Friday pm special to keep the trade discussion going over the weekend.

3 way trades are rare.

6 way is no chance to get all clubs in agreement.

 

[Shueygod]

Name them?



Here’s an idea


If you have a better offer to split pick 2… take it…

Why haven’t you taken it already if it exists?

Why haven’t we heard of this so called better offer to split pick 2 leaked?

Gws, Essendon and Hawks are all likely to pay more on draft night.

Particularly GWS.

Here’s an idea, if the offer is so fair why haven’t the eagles accepted it or said it’s anywhere close.

 

[Forward Press]

Here’s an idea, if the offer is so fair why haven’t the eagles accepted it or said it’s anywhere close.

There's a consistent pattern here - it's Port posters convinced that it's fair because they don't lose a single player in this mega trade, but they have not fully considered whether it's fair for especially WC and North.

It is difficult to see how Port can grab all three of their targets without losing a required player in return.

 

[DumbSmarts]

This entire trade has no legs. If you break it down, pick 1 is beimg traded for pick 3 and 12 but pick 2 is being traded for 8 and 12. Forget points, the ability to pick the 2nd (3rd for arguments sake) best player in the draft isn't accounted for

 

[Free Agent]

As I said, having 8 12 and 33 would be better for West Coast then having 2. I understand that a better deal could be worked on draft night. Doesn’t make my initial statement wrong

Here we go again. Another delusion Port support. No way we accepting just pick 8 and 12 for pick 2. So just stop.
Pick 8, 12 and 15 for pick 2. Another high pick in the teens is a must to get pick 2 off us.

Rioli is a separate matter and pick 33 is a 50/50 on how that matter of pick 2 gets dealt with. We might part with it as good faith and take pick 33 if your club stops playing lowball with pick 2

This JHF trade isn't going happen and doesn't really mean shit to us unless something more suitable gets offered. How many time does it need to be said. Just stop with the Ridiculous pick 8 and 12 that your reporter has floated. We are not interested and already said it.

 

[perplexed]

Name them?



Here’s an idea


If you have a better offer to split pick 2… take it…

Why haven’t you taken it already if it exists?

Why haven’t we heard of this so called better offer to split pick 2 leaked?

There is no rush on this. They can do it with North and GWS after the players trade period. All Port are offering to help it happen is pick 8 which North will have anyway if the JHF trade happens.

 

[philthy05]

Gws, Essendon and Hawks are all likely to pay more on draft night.

Particularly GWS.

Here’s an idea, if the offer is so fair why haven’t the eagles accepted it or said it’s anywhere close.

Lol I asked you to name them and you’ve just rattled off a few clubs

What are those clubs giving up for pick 2?

You’re deliberately keeping it vague cause if you suggest hawks or bombers giving you their first and future firsts they’ll come in here and tell you you’re dreaming.

As I said, if you could get a better deal for pick 2 like you claim, take it.

 

[Shueygod]

Lol I asked you to name them and you’ve just rattled off a few clubs

What are those clubs giving up for pick 2?

You’re deliberately keeping it vague cause if you suggest hawks or bombers giving you their first and future firsts they’ll come in here and tell you you’re dreaming.

As I said, if you could get a better deal for pick 2 like you claim, take it.

I’d imagine maximum value will come on draft night when clubs no exactly who will be available.

We know Gws are willing to give 3 and 12 for Cadman, and both Hawks and Essendon want Sheezel so they can outbid each other on the night.

Realistically if North take Wardlaw eagles could very easily end up with 12 + an early second for sliding from 2 to 4 or 6.

But yeah 8 + 12 sounds sick, we should snatch it up.

 

[Psicosis]

Port need to trade Sinn (to Vic) or Georgiades (to WA) for this to get done.

GET:
North - Pick 2, Port F1
WCE - Pick 8, Georgiades, Pick 33
Port - JHF, Rioli