List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

[giantroo]

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Spoiler: Draft Pick order

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[kangaanth]

the people saying 8, future first and Sinn aren’t enough be prepared for a disappointment. Kangas would drive jhf to the airport if we got that.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Hmm

Excellent

Hunter Clark get it done

Future second (which will essentially be a late first). Maybe even a swap of a future third rounder for a fourth on top of that

In order: Sinn, Marshall, Bergman.

But I suspect we would take any of those 3 + Pick 8 + F1. This is exactly the proposition that we opened with. It's taken them a week to realise Pick 8 + F1 won't get it done, no matter how many times you feed it to the press and pretend it has changed with multi-team deals.

they are slow learners over there in SA

Something in the water

 

[JGreezy]

I think the mega deal still goes ahead if Marshall is included.

We just don't get Port F1. That either stays with Port or is worked in with WC.

We leave with Wardlaw, Sheezel, Marshal.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

You are going to be very disappointed.
We would be lucky to get a second round pick on top of Marshall. Pick 2 + him is never going to happen.

I assume if we get Marshall its 8 + f1st + Marshall.

 

[kool kangas]

This is a comment made on one of facebook pages on Todd Marshall:

“Hearing from a decent source that big Todd Marshall has been asked the question and has told Port that he is willing to come across to Arden st.
8 + future 1st pick and Marshall”

As has been stated before ...Afl has said that Port cannot trade their future first as they have already traded their future second..so no deal..

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I think the mega deal still goes ahead if Marshall is included.

We just don't get Port F1. That either stays with Port or is worked in with WC.

We leave with Wardlaw, Sheezel, Marshal.

2 + Marshall is a good deal. 8 + Marshall is not.

I'm probably slow, but I still can't see how Port get 2 from WC.

I think 8 + F1 + Marshall is also acceptable, but I'm now lost in the confusion as to whether or not they can trade their F1.

 

[giantroo]

As has been stated before ...Afl has said that Port cannot trade their future first as they have already traded their future second..so no deal..

With who? They haven't traded their F2 yet. They were looking to trade both F1 and F2.

 

[hoffseason gains]

As has been stated before ...Afl has said that Port cannot trade their future first as they have already traded their future second..so no deal..

They haven’t traded their future second, they wanted to trade both in the JHF mega trade that was floated, that’s why the mega trade fell apart.

 

[Tas]

which so far they've givem no indication they will, and my prediction is they won't

So far, but I think if we don't budge then something might happen, they might not get another chance at him.

 

[The Dingrel]

Given that the kid would love to get the Hawks, I wouldn't put it past them to highlight those supposed short comings.

Surely he'd be even happier playing for the architect of that clubs success??

 

[kool kangas]

They haven’t traded their future second, they wanted to trade both in the JHF mega trade that was floated, that’s why the mega trade fell apart.

Ok so they cant trade their future 2nd to WC to help get pick #2 and Rioli which means that we dont get Pick #2 from Port leaving nothing worthwhile for Port to offer...So JHF stays..

 

[giantroo]

Saints man Cooper has gone with Hunter Clark

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Hunter Clark

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

asking for a trade

 

[The b shart]

Marshall surprisingly kicked 45 gls this yr. Thats pretty good.

Although a couple of games i watched, i wasnt that impressed with him.

Correct me if im wrong but i feel like he plays similar to Larkey. Tall, slender, agile enough, very accurate goal kicker, but prone to dropped marks/fumbles.

Is this what we need? Given we sit 18th id certainly be looking at it.



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This would make things very simple. Marshall, 8 and future first for JHF and our future 2nd. They can send that 2nd to WC for rioli.

 

[The Dingrel]

I don't get this keep pick 1 at all cost mentality. If you can turn it into a bunch of players/first rounders then I would do it. eg. Hunter clark/ top 5 pick and a later first rounder. If you go through past drafts, how many times has pick 1 ended up being the best player from that draft?

2013: Bontempelli - pick 4 (Boyd pick 1)
2014: Petracca - pick 2 (McCatiin Pick 1)
2015: Oliver - pick 4, McKay - pick 10 ( Weitering pick 1)
2016: McCluggage - pick 3 and bunch of better players than Mcgrath pick 1
2017: LDU - pick 4 (Rayner pick 1)
2018: Walsh 1, but bunch of great players after that. close call on who will be best

Then go back further and pick 1 is rarely if ever, the best player from the draft class. Seelwood 7, Dangerfield 10, Dusty 3, Cunnington 5.

Chances of getting a star is no better at 1 than it is at any of the top 5 IMO. Plus you get the added "bonus" of the media scrutiny they will get. case in point this year with JHF

You make some good points but often compromised by father son. Daicos last year and Ashcroft this year.

 

[PokerRoo]

I don't want to be a jerk. But you can't say 'IMO' when the subject matter is quantifiable. Pick 1 might not always be the best player when you compare it to the next 9-24 picks, but it quantifiably gives you the best chance at a high quality player. This is statistics 101. Definitely not overrated.

The only acceptable reason to trade the pick is that you think the top X players are even, or you want to avoid the first pick for some reason (e.g. you know JHF is a pea heart who doesn't want to build anything | the second best player is from your state so you preference stepping down).

When there is so much variation on potential (they are 17 after all) i don't think that having 1 or 2,3,4,5 makes a huge difference most years. Just look at the history. if you had the choice between 1 single pick in the 1st round, then yes 1 is better than all the others. But if you have the chance to keep a pick in the top group (lets say 5) and also have another couple of shots in the first round, to me, its a no brainer.

 

[Passmore]

I'm pretty sure it's saying 8 and 12 to WC.

So they're suggesting JHF and 1 out, for 2, 3 and PA F1 (which they won't have in this scenario).

The people who write this stuff must be brain dead.

I preferred my scenario

 

[DunderHead]

We’re not getting two firsts plus Marshall.

It’d be 1 first plus Marshall. I’m not even sure it would be a high first rounder. Marshall is worth a high first rounder on his own.

What would you guys want if Larkey requested a trade?

 

[PokerRoo]

Stop comparing 1 pick to more than 1 pick.

Stats show pick 1s play the most games of all the picks drafted. Facts

Shaun Atley played 234 games....

 

[Usayed Givashe]

We’re not getting two firsts plus Marshall.

It’d be 1 first plus Marshall. I’m not even sure it would be a high first rounder. Marshall is worth a high first rounder on his own.

What would you guys want if Larkey requested a trade?

I would if we got Marshall.

He’s probably better.

 

[Passmore]

Saints man Cooper has gone with Hunter Clark asking for a trade

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Come to Pappa….

 

[jay317]

So 2 firsts (8 and F1) and Marshall for JHF. Trade 1 for 3,12,18/19. 18/19 for Clark.

In: 3, 8, 12, Clark, Marshall, F1
Out: 1, JHF (probably some sweeteners)

Sounds good to me. Take Wardlaw/Sheezel/Tsatas and get two other top 12 guys.

 

[tiltraise]

Saints man Cooper has gone with Hunter Clark asking for a trade

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Suspect Saints will be brought into the mega deal.

They will want 15 perhaps throwing their f3 back into the pool.

 

[New_Roo]

This and purely this.

If we dropped down to Pick 3 and got 12 as well for Pick 1 we totally risk losing the player we are set on!

Let’s assume it’s Cheezels over Cad and Coldslaw, we drop to 3 and all of a sudden we see Cad at 1 and Cheezels at 2 so we take sloppy 3rds.

We need to otherwise do the MEGA MEGA 10 TEAM TRADE and get pick 2 from WC and as part of that drop to pick 3 from one thus leaving us with Cheezels at 2 and whomever at 3.

Well we wouldn't do it then would we! We would only do if we knew our selection would be still there and that info we arent privy to


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[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

 

[roos 10]

So 2 firsts (8 and F1) and Marshall for JHF. Trade 1 for 3,12,18/19. 18/19 for Clark.

In: 3, 8, 12, Clark, Marshall, F1
Out: 1, JHF (probably some sweeteners)

Sounds good to me. Take Wardlaw/Sheezel/Tsatas and get two other top 12 guys.

Sign it now