Have Geelong become too powerful?

[PrisonBars4life]

I really doubt Selwood gives an actual s**t what some numpties on big footy reckons.

Yeah he ducked and played for free kicks. But he is also a 4-time premiership winner with one of if not the best winning records of any player who has ever touched a Sherrin.

It is not Selwood's problem he played within the laws of the game. It is the AFL who continually takes a soft **** approach on staging and playing for free kicks. Until they start banning players for it, they will continue to play and stage for free kicks.

People should lay the blame on the AFL. Not Selwood and others.

We can do both. AFL are absolute soft ***** on the issue enabled by the media/commentators sweeping certain 'good blokes' records under the carpet. We can also call out Selwood for being a cheat. People call Kochie a campaigner on here all the time. 'um well actually, he's a really successful person so you're just jelly.' Kochie can be 2 things. He can be a highly successful person ... and a campaigner. Sir Donald Bradman was most definitely the best sportsperson in Australian history and likely the best anywhere and he was known to be a massive tool. Bradman isn't a lord sitting above us all. He's not above criticism nor is Selwood. You'll note that I was saying positive things about him playing for sfa money in the back end of his career and is basically irreplaceable. I can say good things and bad things about people if its an accurate account of their achievements. Warren Tredrea is the greatest AFL era player for Port adelaide, Premiership captain, 4xAA, a gun, an underrated player due to having a stuffed knee his entire career, the 2nd best CHF ever, and basically the second coming of Jesus. He's also a w***er who, whenever he is quoted in the media, the collective spinchters on the Port board pucker up ever so slightly.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

And yet not one poster can show me an example of his “ducking” he has never dropped into a tackle, he fends off the tackle which is a big difference and always continues to play on

Just one example it shouldn’t be too hard from his 350 games career, even easier when you got posters also claiming his brothers did it too so that’s an even larger pool to find evidence to back that claim up… and you won’t be cause i have been asking multiple posters this for the last month and not one of them provided me a clip to show Joel or his brothers ducking intk a tackle or slamming their heads into other players to draw a free .

It’s ok not to like him, but to claim he ducks and cheats it’s childish when you can’t back that claim up.

Its australian tall poppy syndrome at its finest. He is seen as thr poster boy of the most hated club in the AFL during a period of unprecidented AFL to dominance that is driving supporters nuts. So they lash out at him calling him everything under the sun.

Imagine if selwood played for gold coast suns his entire career. He would be considered a “good bloke” and a “tough warrior”.

He has become the enemy image of success.

Aa for his so called “ducking” it was given the green tick of approval for ages by the rules committee who studied it and this was defended by none other than kevin bartlett who said “ he has every right to attempt to break the tackler and challenge their technique”

 

[Strange Cat]

Its australian tall poppy syndrome at its finest. He is seen as thr poster boy of the most hated club in the AFL during a period of unprecidented AFL to dominance that is driving supporters nuts. So they lash out at him calling him everything under the sun.

Imagine if selwood played for gold coast suns his entire career. He would be considered a “good bloke” and a “tough warrior”.

He has become the enemy image of success.

Aa for his so called “ducking” it was given the green tick of approval for ages by the rules committee who studied it and this was defended by none other than kevin bartlett who said “ he has every right to attempt to break the tackler and challenge their technique”

The answer was so easy for the opposition…just tackle him around the waist …which I only saw some do once or twice in his entire AFL career…the issue was they would rather get him high than allow him to break the tackle and dish off the ball to a teammate

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Interesting how Tigers fans totally discredit Mathews opinion on Selwood, but are happy to quote him when it suits them. What a 'special' breed of cat.

Unique thought well done , Now maybe you could make another this year some time

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I'm arguing that he absolutely did that. He would both pick the ball up and dive forward at a stationary tackler and if caught high would teapot to the umpire and also would pick up the ball and hold off on standing up properly for an extra half a second while on the move to initiate high contact with a stationary tackler. He would absolutely throw his head back as well. I am not sure Soccer is a great analogy. It is an absolute dogshit sport, not because of the game itself but the bullshit gamesmanship. It is unwatchable with pansies on the ground pretending to be injured all the time. Soccer supporters would use the same arguments that you have where someone milked contact that occurred. I can also guarantee that if Port were playing in Geelong and we got a couple of those free kicks, your supporters would be going feral.

This is some nice alice in wonderland storytelling here. There are a few head drop and divers in the AFL, selwood for sure isnt one. He bends at the knees and tries to shrug a tackle over his shoulders or basically slip them off so he can dish a handpass off or fully slip them off and run off on his own accord.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

We can do both. AFL are absolute soft ***** on the issue enabled by the media/commentators sweeping certain 'good blokes' records under the carpet. We can also call out Selwood for being a cheat. People call Kochie a campaigner on here all the time. 'um well actually, he's a really successful person so you're just jelly.' Kochie can be 2 things. He can be a highly successful person ... and a campaigner. Sir Donald Bradman was most definitely the best sportsperson in Australian history and likely the best anywhere and he was known to be a massive tool. Bradman isn't a lord sitting above us all. He's not above criticism nor is Selwood. You'll note that I was saying positive things about him playing for sfa money in the back end of his career and is basically irreplaceable. I can say good things and bad things about people if its an accurate account of their achievements. Warren Tredrea is the greatest AFL era player for Port adelaide, Premiership captain, 4xAA, a gun, an underrated player due to having a stuffed knee his entire career, the 2nd best CHF ever, and basically the second coming of Jesus. He's also a w***er who, whenever he is quoted in the media, the collective spinchters on the Port board pucker up ever so slightly.

I suppose that's opinion based.

Anyone who suggests Selwood is not playing for free kicks is biased as all hell, but does that make him a cheat? I'm not sure about that.

I lay the blame squarely at the AFL. They have the power and the ability to remove it from the game. Until they act on it is their problem. Players look for any type of advantage they can get in any game played on earth. It's up to the governing body to manage it. Not the players themselves.

Prior to the 2023 season all the AFL has to do is issue a MEMO to the clubs that they will be cracking down on staging/diving in post game reviews (there is no way we can expect umpires to manage it on the field with the pace of the game the way it is). If you do it once, it's a $2000 fine, do it twice and it's a 1 game ban. It will literally stop within the first 6 rounds.

 

[Strange Cat]

I suppose that's opinion based.

Anyone who suggests Selwood is not playing for free kicks is biased as all hell, but does that make him a cheat? I'm not sure about that.

I lay the blame squarely at the AFL. They have the power and the ability to remove it from the game. Until they act on it is their problem. Players look for any type of advantage they can get in any game played on earth. It's up to the governing body to manage it. Not the players themselves.

Prior to the 2023 season all the AFL has to do is issue a MEMO to the clubs that they will be cracking down on staging/diving in post game reviews (there is no way we can expect umpires to manage it on the field with the pace of the game the way it is). If you do it once, it's a $2000 fine, do it twice and it's a 1 game ban. It will literally stop within the first 6 rounds.

Somehow you are equating breaking out of a tackle to diving

Joel’s technique was given the green light after the AFL reviewed it , there’s a reason why Ginivan is penalised and Joel wasn’t….one was trying to break out of a tackle to continue the play …the other was diving and staging for free kicks.

It’s only the salty ones that tries to paint Joel as a cheat , he had 355 games for the AFL to step in they didn’t see him breaching any rules and he didn’t play for free kicks

 

[bzparkes]

Yet he never ducked or played for a free kick

 

[Hava Alle]

Somehow you are equating breaking out of a tackle to diving

Joel’s technique was given the green light after the AFL reviewed it , there’s a reason why Ginivan is penalised and Joel wasn’t….one was trying to break out of a tackle to continue the play …the other was diving and staging for free kicks.

It’s only the salty ones that tries to paint Joel as a cheat , he had 355 games for the AFL to step in they didn’t see him breaching any rules and he didn’t play for free kicks

I don't think he ducked at all. Did he manipulate his movements that would advantage his team the best. Yes. Being a free for too high or evade the tackle and dish off.

Tough to find vision of him not stopping until the whistle is blown when caught high.

All these flogs calling him a cheat would've killed for his services on and off the field. In order to cheat, one must break the rules. He didn't.

Jealousy is a curse.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Somehow you are equating breaking out of a tackle to diving

Joel’s technique was given the green light after the AFL reviewed it , there’s a reason why Ginivan is penalised and Joel wasn’t….one was trying to break out of a tackle to continue the play …the other was diving and staging for free kicks.

It’s only the salty ones that tries to paint Joel as a cheat , he had 355 games for the AFL to step in they didn’t see him breaching any rules and he didn’t play for free kicks

The amount of times i have seen dusty martin shovd his hand into someones throat and then push them off and its called “ play on” would suggest more of cheating than selwood. One is an illegal action and the other is trying to break a tackle.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Thats what you call a cheat. Getting away with a decade of shoving your hand into players throats and no free kick being paid. And richmond fans have the nerve to call selwood a cheat

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Dear richmond fans. Is kevin bartlett also an cheat during his time for bouncing the ball before being tackled to draw a holding the man free kick?

I assume you all think kevin bartlett is a cheat of the AFL

 

[Strange Cat]

And yet not one poster can show me any footage of him ducking into a tackle or staging for a free kick

355 games

4 flags

Multiple AA’s

Deal with it

 

[bzparkes]

And yet not one poster can show me any footage of him ducking into a tackle or staging for a free kick

355 games

4 flags

Multiple AA’s

Deal with it

Deal with what?
He's retired now, who gives a shit?

 

[Strange Cat]

Deal with what?
He's retired now, who gives a s**t?

Aparently you as you posted that meme

 

[Freddy Swift]

Dear richmond fans. Is kevin bartlett also an cheat during his time for bouncing the ball before being tackled to draw a holding the man free kick?

I assume you all think kevin bartlett is a cheat of the AFL

Clearly you weren’t around when Bartlett played because if you had been you would know the rule was changed to counter that very action. I think it was Ron Barassi who complained to the VFL about it.

 

[bzparkes]

Aparently you as you posted that meme

Yes, I can't sleep at night due to Selwood's ducking so I posted a meme on an anonymous internet forum to release my anger.

Good one.

 

[Strange Cat]

Yes, I can't sleep at night due to Selwood's ducking so I posted a meme on an anonymous internet forum to release my anger.

Good one.

Point stands you cared enough to post on the topic

 

[bzparkes]

Point stands you cared enough to post on the topic

And now...

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Clearly you weren’t around when Bartlett played because if you had been you would know the rule was changed to counter that very action. I think it was Ron Barassi who complained to the VFL about it.

So was bartlett then a cheat for doing this when he did?? i assume you accept this fact then with such selwood opinions, that bartlett spent a portion of his career a cheat

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Because it’s yet another demonstration of the AFL fan demographic’s general inability to just look at something successful and accept that it’s effective because of quality. There seems to be this habit of anything succeeding being ‘excused’ as some sort of consequence of luck.

Tall poppy mate. The country reeks of it. Especially AFL fans.

 

[Freddy Swift]

So was bartlett then a cheat for doing this when he did?? i assume you accept this fact then with such selwood opinions, that bartlett spent a portion of his career a cheat

I have never said Selwood was a cheat. I think what Bartlett did was bending the rules for advantage which is exactly what Selwood did. Except the league stopped Bartlett from continuing to do it. Selwood was allowed to keep doing it.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I heard when took the job back at Geelong that Hocking wanted to stay at the AFL until the end of the year but they told him to clear out his desk and get out.

 

[Sttew]

I heard when took the job back at Geelong that Hocking wanted to stay at the AFL until the end of the year but they told him to clear out his desk and get out.

You read that in your Dusty GOAT thread. In fact you wrote it. TROLL

 

[Sttew]

I have never said Selwood was a cheat. I think what Bartlett did was bending the rules for advantage which is exactly what Selwood did. Except the league stopped Bartlett from continuing to do it. Selwood was allowed to keep doing it.

Because when the AFL looked at what Selwood did to shrug tackles they realised it was legal, and that umpires could not be expected to make a split second decision, differentiating between what was and what wasn’t sloppy tackling resulting in around the neck. Gil said, “We don’t want to end up with tacklers deliberately tackling around the neck and being rewarded”