USA Roe, the evangelicals and the war on choice

[D Mitchell]

Yeah, I am fortunate to be pretty well traveled. I have been through the US extensively as well as having lived and worked in Europe. I have a brother who is based in Seoul as get there a bit as well. As you say, the US is great fun but as an advanced civilisation, they're kidding themselves and conning the ignorant along the way.

There is very little that the US does these days that other places do not do better. And in many cases, light years better. South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia, China, Germany, etc are all so far in advance of the US that the US will never catch up. Add to that the fact that the US lags miles behind the first world with respect to race and gender equality and human rights.

Jeff Daniels said it best in The Newsroom.

Film, music (popular),pop culture, quality of Universities, self-sufficiency, military, technology, freedom of expression, certainly gender equality, probably race equality. The US is not only the World Leader but sets the benchmark and its culture dominates the World. No country is perfect. I can't see how any of South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia, China, Germany can be reasonably to surpass the US in any of the fields I've mentioned. I've never seen that clip before. I found the expression of what the speaker (Daniels ?) saw the US as having been, moving. That's the way the US still essentially is.

 

[Cooldude]

Amazing how all these god loving evangelical republicans who talk about family values while saying the most heinous shit keep having their marriages fail, huh?

 

[Satan]

Amazing how all these god loving evangelical republicans who talk about family values while saying the most heinous s**t keep having their marriages fail, huh?

Do the guns get split?

 

[Cooldude]

Do the guns get split?

She signed a prenup, he gets all the AR15s while she only gets the pistols

 

[D Mitchell]

Mehdi Hasan ?

 

[D Mitchell]

Do they?

To be fair, I only looked at posts by Bloods86, Goodluck, Saints and ...err...guess who

 

[Maggie5]

Mehdi Hasan ?

Not a fan or don't know who he is?

 

[cartwright]

Film, music (popular),pop culture, quality of Universities, self-sufficiency, military, technology, freedom of expression, certainly gender equality, probably race equality. The US is not only the World Leader but sets the benchmark and its culture dominates the World. No country is perfect. I can't see how any of South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia, China, Germany can be reasonably to surpass the US in any of the fields I've mentioned. I've never seen that clip before. I found the expression of what the speaker (Daniels ?) saw the US as having been, moving. That's the way the US still essentially is.

checks thread.

lol.

 

[D Mitchell]

checks thread.

lol.

Can you not do a bit better than LOL ?

 

[D Mitchell]

Not a fan or don't know who he is?

I ran into Mehdi Hasan, many years ago, when he was still a Brit. Be careful of what Hasan says.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Film, music (popular),pop culture, quality of Universities, self-sufficiency, military, technology, freedom of expression, certainly gender equality, probably race equality. The US is not only the World Leader but sets the benchmark and its culture dominates the World. No country is perfect. I can't see how any of South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia, China, Germany can be reasonably to surpass the US in any of the fields I've mentioned. I've never seen that clip before. I found the expression of what the speaker (Daniels ?) saw the US as having been, moving. That's the way the US still essentially is.

The most delusional post in the history of this great site.

 

[cartwright]

Can you not do a bit better than LOL ?

Do I need to be clearer? You’re in a thread on women’s rights being removed and think US is a leader on gender equality? So yeah, lol.

 

[D Mitchell]

The most delusional post in the history of this great site.

You can, surely, do better than that, can ye not ?

Do I need to be clearer? You’re in a thread on women’s rights being removed and think US is a leader on gender equality? So yeah, lol.

You do, absolutely, have to be clearer. Of course, if all you want is blokes pissing in your pocket, don't bother.

 

[cartwright]

You can, surely, do better than that, can ye not ?

You do, absolutely, have to be clearer. Of course, if all you want is blokes pissing in your pocket, don't bother.

Ok cool. Except you haven’t actually said anything.

 

[D Mitchell]

Ok cool. Except you haven’t actually said anything.

I rely on Post 1,460. Why don't you lefties look at the argument instead of merely deriding the other bloke ?

 

[Bloods86]

I rely on Post 1,460. Why don't you lefties look at the argument instead of merely deriding the other bloke ?

Because you're not making an argument, you're just stating that the US is the best or most influential (not the same thing), without peers, in a host of areas, without basis.

I'll give you their military, for now. Although given the amount of spending that goes into it, versus domestic programs in desperate need (including the VA), I don't think it's the win some people think it is.

 

[D Mitchell]

Because you're not making an argument, you're just stating that the US is the best or most influential (not the same thing), without peers, in a host of areas, without basis.

I'll give you their military, for now. Although given the amount of spending that goes into it, versus domestic programs in desperate need (including the VA), I don't think it's the win some people think it is.

Because you're not making an argument, you're just stating that the US is the best or most influential (not the same thing), without peers, in a host of areas, without basis.

I'll give you their military, for now. Although given the amount of spending that goes into it, versus domestic programs in desperate need (including the VA), I don't think it's the win some people think it is.

Be fair, Bloods86, what about Film, music ? Let's start there then work towards Unis, Harvard/Yale/MIT etc. Then we can start looking at freedom, Equality, then work up to Aspiration ? Whilst you are at it, think about google, microsoft, John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, Francis Powers, then Kissinger's Shuttle Diplomacy. Reflect upon Marshall Plan, rejuvenation of post WW11 Japan, even Nixon following Whitlam to engage CCP China. What haven't Americans achieved ? An innovative, good oriented lot, even if flawed.

 

[Bloods86]

Be fair, Bloods86, what about Film, music ? Let's start there then work towards Unis, Harvard/Yale/MIT etc. Then we can start looking at freedom, Equality, then work up to Aspiration ? Whilst you are at it, think about google, microsoft, John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, Francis Powers, then Kissinger's Shuttle Diplomacy. Reflect upon Marshall Plan, rejuvenation of post WW11 Japan, even Nixon following Whitlam to engage CCP China. What haven't Americans achieved ? An innovative, good oriented lot, even if flawed.

The US entertainment industry is massive and influential yes. It has a large local market which enabled it to then expand, similar to Bollywood. It's also got plenty of artists, actors, directors, other personnel from the UK, Canada, Australia and plenty of other places. What about Cambridge, Oxford, NUS, UBC, plus plenty of other leading unis (that maybe haven't got the marketing side down)? That's also cherrypicking at the upper tier of tertiary education that very few will experience, ignoring the overall college system, elementary and secondary school systems.

My first job out of uni was with IBM, so the US has produced some large companies, so what? I currently work for a subsidiary of a large multinational from elsewhere.

I laugh at claims the US is the leader in freedom. Sure, they can have lots of guns, but that's about where their freedom tops out (and comes at the expense of other freedoms). Incredible wealth inequality, where the economy works mostly for the richest. Their economy was built off the backs of slavery and oppression, and like many, dependent on immigration (not really self sustaining). Mass incarceration, forced labour, often for minor crimes. Freedom of expression, speech etc, good grief. They have gerrymandering and targeted voting restrictions to high heaven, the last president tried to cancel the last presidential election results, a host of state legislatures are restricting the rights and speech of women, trans, gay people, african american authors etc, they're banning books also. Unions have been hobbled.

Freedom also means the ability to live a life you want, not just a lack of regulation, to that end the country doesn't even have Medicare for all. They'll bail out banks, but not ordinary people. They're an incredibly litigious nation. They have an incredibly pro corporate over citizenry court system, including the 3 corporate stooges Trump put in place at the Supreme Court. Some of their asset seizure and forfeiture laws are insane. We could go on and on.

Australia has lots of issues too, we're not some utopia, neither are Scandinavian countries etc. But cheerleading of the US as the best in all areas is far off the mark.

 

[cartwright]

Be fair, Bloods86, what about Film, music ? Let's start there then work towards Unis, Harvard/Yale/MIT etc. Then we can start looking at freedom, Equality, then work up to Aspiration ? Whilst you are at it, think about google, microsoft, John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, Francis Powers, then Kissinger's Shuttle Diplomacy. Reflect upon Marshall Plan, rejuvenation of post WW11 Japan, even Nixon following Whitlam to engage CCP China. What haven't Americans achieved ? An innovative, good oriented lot, even if flawed.

Don’t forget forced pregnancies.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

You can, surely, do better than that, can ye not ?

I could, but why would I bother?

Something about arguing with an idiot long enough...

Adios.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

And as for the US being the world leader in music...that's hilarious. And it's highly subjective. What is inarguable though, there are more truly great bands that came out of the UK than the US. The top 5 selling bands in history are all British. The 6th is Australian. The 7th Irish and the you get to The Eagles in 8th. If you were going to argue solo artists then sure, the US has the first world covered with the likes of Elvis, Michael Jackson and plenty of others but to say the best music comes out of the US is just plain nonsense. The same could be said for film. Hollywood is not as big as Bollywood in ether the number of movies made or the volume of people who watch them.

But we really should get back to how the US leads the world in gender equality.

Oh, except they don't.

 

[Maggie5]

I ran into Mehdi Hasan, many years ago, when he was still a Brit. Be careful of what Hasan says.

I don't know what you experienced but I have found him to research his material rather diligently.

Maybe it is just your bias based on your experience.

 

[bourbons]

The poor girl did get an abortion and wasn't forced to carry it to term so what is the issue?

If this happened a few months later she would have. Children in some US states will be forced to carry their rapists' baby to term in the future. Its going to happen.

Thats probably the issue.

A 13-year-old who couldn't get an abortion is now starting 7th grade as a mom, report says

A young Mississippi girl had a baby after being assaulted by a stranger and finding out the nearest abortion provider was nine hours away.

www.insider.com

All going well eh Stokey?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Yep

A 13-year-old who couldn't get an abortion is now starting 7th grade as a mom, report says

A young Mississippi girl had a baby after being assaulted by a stranger and finding out the nearest abortion provider was nine hours away.

www.insider.com

Going well eh Stokey?

F***ing disgusting country.

 

[Gralin]

reading that the other day legit made me want to get on a plane and go over there and start punching judges and politicians