List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[Mowman]

Parish sounding more likely to leave after Scott's interview last night

Waiting for the biggest $$$$

 

[BigPowerForward]

Jack higgins really frustrates me as a player and this is why. Having a set shot for goal, he doesn’t make the distance from 40 out, he lacks composure to size up good options, often just throwing it towards goal, and although he looks to try hard to pressure, he is so slow for a small that he never actually lays a tackle. He only kicks goals through being at the right place at the right time (footy nous) or the odd freakish goal. I will probably get hate for this, but I think he is severely overrated.

Sorry. I disagree. He is a small forward and he plays the front and square role extremely well. He is also one of the better hit up forwards in our team. He has kicked goals from 40-50m out this year but that should'nt be his main role. That should be the role of the key forwards

I think you are being disingenuous saying he kicks the odd freakish goal. He does it on a quite regular basis. How many times has he been dropped or subbed off since he came to the Saints? IMO he warrants selection.
He brings a great energy to our forward line and I always look forward to seeing what he can deliver.

 

[bird_man]

Sorry. I disagree. He is a small forward and he plays the front and square role extremely well. He is also one of the better hit up forwards in our team. He has kicked goals from 40-50m out this year but that should'nt be his main role. That should be the role of the key forwards

I think you are being disingenuous saying he kicks the odd freakish goal. He does it on a quite regular basis. How many times has he been dropped or subbed off since he came to the Saints? IMO he warrants selection.
He brings a great energy to our forward line and I always look forward to seeing what he can deliver.

We tend to see the worst in players when the team isn't going well.

Any side would love to have jack Higgins, he is a quality small forward.

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Waiting for the biggest $$$$

Surely we can offer more then Geelong

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[Klaatu]

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Sam Flanders,Liam Henry Dylan Stephens

 

[gringo2011]

to be fair, Ratts did try to fix the problem, except he identified the wrong problem.

He looked at the stats in Richo years, we get plenty of forward 50 entries, but has very low conversion rate, so he thought if we add more run/polish, it’ll fix the problem. What he missed was that every chance we had, we just long bomb on King’s head King all game for fun.. didn’t have the midfield craft or the mids that can actually win the ball and feed the runners..

And Rath is the guy feeding him stats.. Rath is an idiot, anyone who can’t see we have problem winning the contested ball is blind.. that’s why using stats to tell a story is not always accurate.. Billings scores high in champion data, but does bugger all with the ball chipping side ways and backwards.. Marshall is elite in scoring champion data points, but can’t win a tap to advantage to save himself, that’s why our midfield functioned so much better every time Ryder was rucking last year. Heck, Marshall was a CHB in the juniors, only played ruck sparingly. And it shows. Yes he get lots of kicks, but most of them are to no one, I’d rather those possessions were hand ball to a mid streaming forward.

Both Ratts and Richo were given the job by promising results quickly. The club wanted coaches that made us look competitive immediately. Both had lists that if everyone was available and others fell over could push into the bottom of the 8.

No one in the footy department had a vision or plan so it was always patching up our beige list and hoping that we'd get into that bottom of the 8 to show that we were getting results. Both coaches with better list probably could have done something with them.

Rath, Lethlean and a few others who were the wrong fit for us were nearly given the keys to the footy department before Lyon turned up. We absolutely dodged a bullet there.

To me even if Lyon doesn't get on field results, I trust that he knows how to set up a footy department to be structured in the right way. I sleep better thinking that we will end up with something that we can springboard off at least.

We were so far behind the competition that we were never going to move forward. We were in footy limbo. Too shit to ever move forward and too good to get given any concessions by the AFL. Our list still looks bottom 8 and more like bottom 4 but we are learning to be competitive while restructuring on the fly.

Richmond didn't move forward until they had some backroom structure behind them. Hopefully this is our Richmond moment....or at least our Melbourne under Paul Roos.

 

[gringo2011]

Jack higgins really frustrates me as a player and this is why. Having a set shot for goal, he doesn’t make the distance from 40 out, he lacks composure to size up good options, often just throwing it towards goal, and although he looks to try hard to pressure, he is so slow for a small that he never actually lays a tackle. He only kicks goals through being at the right place at the right time (footy nous) or the odd freakish goal. I will probably get hate for this, but I think he is severely overrated.

To me he's another cream on the cake type. In a great side he's a nice piece to have but we are lacking a lot of ingredients at the moment. He needs a feeder who'll tap it out the back for him or help him isolate from his player. Jack Hayes was very good at that. He knew when to mark and when to do the team thing and spill into empty space to get the smalls into the game.

 

[crasha301]

Jack higgins really frustrates me as a player and this is why. Having a set shot for goal, he doesn’t make the distance from 40 out, he lacks composure to size up good options, often just throwing it towards goal, and although he looks to try hard to pressure, he is so slow for a small that he never actually lays a tackle. He only kicks goals through being at the right place at the right time (footy nous) or the odd freakish goal. I will probably get hate for this, but I think he is severely overrated.

Higgins is our leading goal kicker and is only behind another couple of smalls for most goals by a small fwd.

He is the least of our worries.

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[MordySaint]

Rath, Lethlean and a few others who were the wrong fit for us were nearly given the keys to the footy department before Lyon turned up. We absolutely dodged a bullet there.

Lethlean had the keys to football department and got promoted after not producing results.

In not many organisations, other than family business' can say they do that.

 

[St Neil]

Surely we can offer more then Geelong

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Adding Parish and Flanders would certainly change our midfield. Significantly.

Would Essendon match a higher bid for Parish? They wouldn’t want to lose him.

 

[The Punter]

Adding Parish and Flanders would certainly change our midfield. Significantly.

Would Essendon match a higher bid for Parish? They wouldn’t want to lose him.

They'll match if Dodoro thinks he can get a better deal out of us than compo.

 

[beside the seaside]

They'll match if Dodoro thinks he can get a better deal out of us than compo.

If they get band one then they're not getting better than that in a trade. And the point is they don't seem to want to pay up so if they match he'd just stay there on massive money.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They'll match if Dodoro thinks he can get a better deal out of us than compo.

Or we just let them match and let them screw up their cap.

 

[BrutThough]

Adding Parish and Flanders would certainly change our midfield. Significantly.

Would Essendon match a higher bid for Parish? They wouldn’t want to lose him.

With them favourites to get McKay, matching is there best option because they wouldn't be getting compensation for anyone leaving.

 

[The Punter]

If they get band one then they're not getting better than that in a trade. And the point is they don't seem to want to pay up so if they match he'd just stay there on massive money.

Also, just to keep in mind, no compo for us for Gresham if sign Parish. I wouldn't care, but just keep it in mind.

 

[Saintbloke]

Higgins is our leading goal kicker and is only behind another couple of smalls for most goals by a small fwd.

He is the least of our worries.

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He is the best of an ordinary forward group

 

[sunny3193]

Ha ha - nah I'm just following the selection panel.

He's clearly a persona non grata in their view (and many in this forum) irrespective of the fact that he has been as statistically effective as many of the options put forward to "partner" Marshall in the future.

Putting Voldemort aside, I've just been staggered that throughout a year where we have at times absolutely struggled to have an effective forward presence, the selectors have never tried used any of the three ruck/forward options that we have running around at Sandy in unison with Marshall.

So if that's their attitude, why bother chasing another ruck/forward?

Thank you.
But who is the comparison between?
We have three talls in the seconds.

 

[MordySaint]

Also, just to keep in mind, no compo for us for Gresham if sign Parish. I wouldn't care, but just keep it in mind.

Don't want Parish, never deal with Essendon under any circumstances.

Just get some decent compo for Gresham and go to the draft. Gresham has lost the evasiveness he had early in his career and he is not a midfielder. I'd also be happy to move Clark on, he just doesn't have the speed or the tank required. These things are genetic or you must be an extremely hard worker. I'm not seeing either with him.

Keep Billings unless, we get a hail mary offer.

Trade Coffield for a draft pick.

Then young Midfielders, midfielders and midfielders at the draft. Nothing else.

 

[Klaatu]

Don't want Parish, never deal with Essendon under any circumstances.

Just get some decent compo for Gresham and go to the draft. Gresham has lost the evasiveness he had early in his career and he is not a midfielder. I'd also be happy to move Clark on, he just doesn't have the speed or the tank required. These things are genetic or you must be an extremely hard worker. I'm not seeing either with him.

Keep Billings unless, we get a hail mary offer.

Trade Coffield for a draft pick.

Then young Midfielders, midfielders and midfielders at the draft. Nothing else.

Isn't the draft light on for quality Midfielders if thats the case trading in is the way to go it also take out the development/waiting period.

 

[John2010362340]

He probably suits how they play better. He looks lost under Lyon. He has had all the instinct taken away in Lyon's dour grind.

I expect him to be a gun at another club but if he's a liability at St Kilda then we might as well chase a player that we can se.

If you could turn him into Flanders or Henry you'd be at least getting something usable.

That's such a bullsh*t take!

 

[bird_man]

Adding Parish and Flanders would certainly change our midfield. Significantly.

Would Essendon match a higher bid for Parish? They wouldn’t want to lose him.

They wouldn’t be matching if he is leaving for dollars

They will take the extra top ten pick

 

[Joffaboy]

Not popular opinion, but we should get Flanders, Crouch, Dow and 2 more young mids from the draft, get a competent tap ruckman that can actually win some clear taps, will change our midfield instantly.

Why would that not be a popular opinion except for Crouch?
Flanders is good, Dow has shown he can play, don't know the young mids in the draft will be at our picks though.

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[Joffaboy]

Off to Geelong you'd assume.

Essendon not as confident about keeping him apparently, and as Mowman posted, he is looking for the big payday, don't know if Geelong can match others, including us.

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[MordySaint]

Essendon not as confident about keeping him apparently, and as Mowman posted, he is looking for the big payday, don't know if Geelong can match others, including us.

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If he is looking for his big payday, then we certainly have experience with that.

Issue is, many players make requests of where they want to end up.... most clubs adhere to that because there is nothing worse than a disgruntled player on big money at your club.

Steer clear.

 

[gringo2011]

Don't want Parish, never deal with Essendon under any circumstances.

Just get some decent compo for Gresham and go to the draft. Gresham has lost the evasiveness he had early in his career and he is not a midfielder. I'd also be happy to move Clark on, he just doesn't have the speed or the tank required. These things are genetic or you must be an extremely hard worker. I'm not seeing either with him.

Keep Billings unless, we get a hail mary offer.

Trade Coffield for a draft pick.

Then young Midfielders, midfielders and midfielders at the draft. Nothing else.

Parish is a free agent. No trading or dealing with Essendon. Doubt he comes and if he costs more than $900k x4 probably not really worth it. I think you could probably get a more dynamic player for the same money but he'd still be a great get for us.

Coffield would get nothing in a trade. If you delisted him he might get picked up.

Terrible draft for high end mids. Might get a bargain later pick but that's a dice roll.