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List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

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Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.
  • Mac Andrew
  • Hunter Clark
  • Zac Fisher
  • Sam Flanders
  • Mitch Georgiades
  • Liam Henry
  • Dougal Howard
  • Lewis Melican
  • Jack Silvagni
  • Dylan Stephens
  • Adam Tomlinson
 
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As it stands today, my take on the landscape is this: North will get Band 1 compensation for McKay (pick 2), and the AFL will use some nonsense to say that this counts as our 'draft assistance package'. I have doubts about us getting Sanders.

So with that in mind, here's how I'd approach the first round of the draft/assets;
  • Pick 1 - Harley Reid
  • Pick 2 - Dan Curtin
  • Pick 15~ (PA) - Trade to Melbourne for Brodie Grundy
Clarko would need to put on his salesman hat and convince Grundy that finishing his career at NMFC was the right move for him. That's no guarantee of course. But Grundy in this side, with our talented young midfield, and Curtin down back with Logue/Corr, and of course Harley Reid?

That would have us prime to improve MASSIVELY in 2024 and beyond.
 
Chadwiko said:
As it stands today, my take on the landscape is this: North will get Band 1 compensation for McKay (pick 2), and the AFL will use some nonsense to say that this counts as our 'draft assistance package'. I have doubts about us getting Sanders.

So with that in mind, here's how I'd approach the first round of the draft/assets;
  • Pick 1 - Harley Reid
  • Pick 2 - Dan Curtin
  • Pick 15~ (PA) - Trade to Melbourne for Brodie Grundy
Clarko would need to put on his salesman hat and convince Grundy that finishing his career at NMFC was the right move for him. That's no guarantee of course. But Grundy in this side, with our talented young midfield, and Curtin down back with Logue/Corr, and of course Harley Reid?

That would have us prime to improve MASSIVELY in 2024 and beyond.
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Its hard to say what motivates him as a footballer, but the sales pitch that he will play out his career tapping down to a midfield of LDU, Wardlaw, Reid, Sanders, Thomas, Sheezel, Simpkin, Phillips could have some sway.

A significant amount of talent there.
 
Chadwiko said:
As it stands today, my take on the landscape is this: North will get Band 1 compensation for McKay (pick 2), and the AFL will use some nonsense to say that this counts as our 'draft assistance package'. I have doubts about us getting Sanders.

So with that in mind, here's how I'd approach the first round of the draft/assets;
  • Pick 1 - Harley Reid
  • Pick 2 - Dan Curtin
  • Pick 15~ (PA) - Trade to Melbourne for Brodie Grundy
Clarko would need to put on his salesman hat and convince Grundy that finishing his career at NMFC was the right move for him. That's no guarantee of course. But Grundy in this side, with our talented young midfield, and Curtin down back with Logue/Corr, and of course Harley Reid?

That would have us prime to improve MASSIVELY in 2024 and beyond.
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Trading pick 15 for a 30 year old is terrible business. Would rather we draft Mitch Edwards and let Xerri take the reigns until his out of contract and then trade him on if he has been so-so or resign if he has played well.
 

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NORTH NOW ‘SMOKING THE PIPE’ AS PATH TO MIND-BLOWING DRAFT HAND EMERGES

Maybe we should’ve taken more notice of Eagles list boss Rohan O’Brien earlier this month, when he suggested: “We may not even end up with it (Pick 1).”

A series of dramatic Round 23 results blew up an already nuts finals race – in particular West Coast’s shock defeat of the Western Bulldogs, which secured September berths for both St Kilda and Sydney.

But just as intriguing on Sunday was the fact the Eagles – who’d occupied 18th spot for 13 consecutive rounds – leapfrogged fellow cellar dwellers North Melbourne on the AFL ladder.

Subsequently – or consequently, depending on your viewpoint – the Kangaroos now hold Pick 1 with one home and away round left.

“Put tanking to bed forever,” Melbourne legend Garry Lyon told Fox Footy. “The No.1 pick has just wandered off from the West Coast Eagles right now and it’s in North Melbourne’s hands.

“Well done to the West Coast Eagles. You wonder where it’s been.

“Now the Kangaroos are sitting back smoking the pipe.”

The ladder flip is a dramatic late twist ahead of one of the more intriguing first rounds of a draft in many years.

As West Coast sat on the bottom of the ladder for months, the footy industry was bubbling with speculation around how willing star Bendigo Pioneers prospect Harley Reid – rated by most AFL recruiters as this year’s No. 1 draft prospect – would be to start his career in an Eagles jumper. And, subsequently, how willing West Coast would be to trade its first pick, with rival clubs suggesting the Eagles might be prepared to slide down the order but only if they could ‘guarantee’ top WA prospect Daniel Curtin would still be available at their new pick.

The sense among scouts spoken to by foxfooty.com.au has always that been Reid will be taken with Pick 1. Which club holds the pick come draft night, though, has remained less certain.

Now North Melbourne holds the first pick in the draft, as well as Port Adelaide’s first-rounder as a result of last year’s mega deal involving Jason Horne-Francis.

There are several layers to this significant development.

Firstly, it mightn’t be the only top-10 pick North will hold come late November. In fact there’s a scenario in which the club could have the first two picks in the draft.

It’s widely expected the Roos will lose key defender Ben McKay via free agency and, subsequently, be handed a compensation selection. Where that selection lands, though, would depend on the rival club offer McKay would sign.

If it was worthy of ‘Band 1’ compensation, the compo pick would be after North’s natural first-rounder. So, after the Round 23 results, that would be Pick 2.

Bonkers.

But complicating the AFL’s compensation call – and its secret herbs and spices free agency formula – is that North Melbourne is in the process of applying for a priority draft assistance this year, given it’s won just 11 of its past 81 games.

The Roos last year received one future second and one future third-round pick – which they had to trade – as part of an assistance package. But the more likely outcome, according to draft sources spoken to by foxfooty.com.au, is the AFL will allow North to pre-list star Tasmanian midfield prospect Ryley Sanders, who the Kangaroos are hoping will be added to their Next Generation Academy after he recently his certificate of Aboriginality this year. Sanders, who kicked one goal from 35 disposals for Sandringham in the Coates Talent League on Saturday, is widely considered a prospect worthy of a top-10 selection.

So with North now holding Pick 1 instead of Pick 2 – plus the prospect of pre-listing a top-10 talent like Sanders – the McKay compensation pick could be an end-of-first-round or early second-round selection. After all, handing North Pick 2 instead of Pick 3 for losing McKay would be a far harder sell for the AFL.

But if the Kangaroos do ultimately get their hands on the first two picks of the draft, could they spoil West Coast’s plans and pinch Curtin from the WA-based club?

North Melbourne last month indicated it was keen to draft a key defender this year, with list boss Brady Rawlings telling members he was “aware we haven’t picked very tall over recent seasons”. And rival clubs, prior to this weekend, said they could see the Kangaroos taking Curtin with a top pick.

So could the Roos take Reid with Pick 1 and Curtin with Pick 2 – or Pick 3, if they put in a bid for star Suns academy prospect Jed Walter – and make West Coast ‘pay’ for its Round 23 win?

The AFL, last year, confirmed North Melbourne’s assistance package in mid-September. According to Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph, the league in the past has made decisions on priority picks deep in the finals series.


There’s still a long way to go.

But as it stands, there’s a way the Roos end up with Picks 1 and 2 and Sanders – and Reid would almost certainly remain in Victoria.

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NORTH NOW ‘SMOKING THE PIPE’ AS PATH TO MIND-BLOWING DRAFT HAND EMERGES


So with North now holding Pick 1 instead of Pick 2 – plus the prospect of pre-listing a top-10 talent like Sanders – the McKay compensation pick could be an end-of-first-round or early second-round selection. After all, handing North Pick 2 instead of Pick 3 for losing McKay would be a far harder sell for the AFL.

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Article was going fine until this point. This is the only real part of it the AFL has little choice over. If they think we won't ensure the financials work for a band 1 they are kidding themselves. The AFL doesn't get to choose on this one.
 
shintemaster said:
Article was going fine until this point. This is the only real part of it the AFL has little choice over. If they think we won't ensure the financials work for a band 1 they are kidding themselves. The AFL doesn't get to choose on this one.
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They keep the formula secret for the exact reason they can pick and choose when to use it. I’m hoping we can hang onto McKay as the media is going to make it a super hard sell to give us pick 2 now.
 
The Nostradamus said:
Yeah 3 and 20 is fair for 2

Eagles then guarantee curtin

We get wiz/kerch/caddy

What should happen though is we get a first round pp plus compo if McKay leaves and in that situation have pick 1,2,3

But looks like afl will give us sanders free instead as a cop out
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That would be boneheaded imo.

We could get far more than that from Gold Coast and possibly still get Watson.

Realistically there's not much between Watson, Duursma, McKercher and Curtin.

I'd be happy with any 4 of them if it meant an additional F1 or Flanders.

Draft capital outweights needs by a long way. If Watson hypothetically slipped on draft night, you could trade the GC F1 to get back in, we could trade it back in for O'Sullivan or Caddy.

I think West Coast is well down the list of viable trade options for #2 now, unless they offered something well over the odds, like GC is in a position to do, because of their draft hand.
 

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so let’s strip it back nice and simples based on if we lose this week..

Pick 1 = the position we finished on the 2023 ladder, we just happen to be bin juice again (all clubs get this)

Pick 2 = FA compensation rules for top paid players leaving (all clubs get this).

NGA Sanders = Our very own NGA zone and now proven heritage (all clubs get this).

So what assistance are we actually getting from the AFL?.. sweet FA!

Yet the media are making it sound we’re getting a ‘swag of picks’ haha **** off!

We should be given picks 3 & 19 as our actual ‘assistance package’ from the corruptAFL for three (yes 3) consecutive wooden spoons but the narrative paints a picture we’re getting out with a ‘bounty’ but in fact it’s all the bare minimum compensation we get under their own rules.. just **** right off AFL media!
 
Shermanator said:
so let’s strip it back nice and simples based on if we lose this week..

Pick 1 = the position we finished on the 2023 ladder, we just happen to be bin juice again (all clubs get this)

Pick 2 = FA compensation rules for top paid players leaving (all clubs get this).

NGA Sanders = Our very own NGA zone and now proven heritage (all clubs get this).

So what assistance are we actually getting from the AFL?.. sweet FA!

Yet the media are making it sound we’re getting a ‘swag of picks’ haha * off!

We should be given picks 3 & 19 as our actual ‘assistance package’ from the corruptAFL for three (yes 3) consecutive wooden spoons but the narrative paints a picture we’re getting out with a ‘bounty’ but in fact it’s all the bare minimum compensation we get under their own rules.. just * right off AFL media!
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IF they say we can prelist Sanders instead of paying for him, that would be assistance. IF they bump the compensation up when the contract doesn’t deliver band 1, that would be assistance. Otherwise yes, it’s nothing special, just the way the cards fell. Like the year Daniher and Saad left, didn’t Essendon get three picks together in the top 10?
 
Chadwiko said:
As it stands today, my take on the landscape is this: North will get Band 1 compensation for McKay (pick 2), and the AFL will use some nonsense to say that this counts as our 'draft assistance package'. I have doubts about us getting Sanders.

So with that in mind, here's how I'd approach the first round of the draft/assets;
  • Pick 1 - Harley Reid
  • Pick 2 - Dan Curtin
  • Pick 15~ (PA) - Trade to Melbourne for Brodie Grundy
Clarko would need to put on his salesman hat and convince Grundy that finishing his career at NMFC was the right move for him. That's no guarantee of course. But Grundy in this side, with our talented young midfield, and Curtin down back with Logue/Corr, and of course Harley Reid?

That would have us prime to improve MASSIVELY in 2024 and beyond.
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One again this fraud spews rubbish. The AFLs assistance package will get announced before any FA offer is made.
 
giantroo said:
So with North now holding Pick 1 instead of Pick 2 – plus the prospect of pre-listing a top-10 talent like Sanders – the McKay compensation pick could be an end-of-first-round or early second-round selection. After all, handing North Pick 2 instead of Pick 3 for losing McKay would be a far harder sell for the AFL.
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This is everything that is wrong with the whole discussion. There are rules in place. If McKay leaves and his new contract triggers band 1 comp, there isn't anything to "sell" we get the pick after our first (currently 1, so 2) The AFL set up the system with free agency that makes it all happen this way. Pick 2 is better than we would get for McKay in a normal trade, but those are the AFL's rules.

It should also be totally separate from any assistance.

Like H2H just said, * ended up with 3 top ten picks in a row in 2020, their own, Saad trade and Daniher FA comp. I don't remember there being any suggestion the FA comp needing to be "sold" in that situation, in fact the Lions and * played the FA rules very well, a few extra $$ and restructured contract, tipped it over into band 1, Lions get their man without giving up draft capital, * get big time overs for a player who'd played 15 games in the previous three years (again, don't seem to remember any outrage about this!) It makes sense if McKay is leaving that the club he's going to does something similar. Again, nothing to do with assistance, we would be losing a first round KPD we have put eight years into, the compensation is to mitigate that loss, it might be overs, but that is how FA is set up.

If the media had any credibility (I already see my mistake!) rather than suggesting the picks we may or may not end up with would be hard to "sell", they should be holding the AFL to account on their own rules. Instead they are Frankensteining our natural pick, FA comp and PA's pick into some generous assistance package. If we were allowed to prelist Sanders, that would be the only assistance and by most phantom drafts, equivalent of about pick 6-8, certainly welcome, but not exactly the four first round pick bounty it is being made out as!
 
I do think Zurhaar trade is one which suits us right now. This could be for a good draft pick or tall defender. Larkey seems better, Paul Curtis developing, George available next year, Eddie Ford will improve massively after good year. Zurhaar can do great individual things but doesn't improve those around him or bring others into the game.
 

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Cal and Riley are going to be spewing if we hold pick 1. They've just been robbed of 3 months of podcast fodder about trading for Harley Reid.

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Don't worry the AFL media always find a way to generate more 'content'. Given we traded pick 1 last year we've set a precedent, there will be plenty of 'What if we traded pick 1 to the Dees? Or GWS?' scenarios.
 
Shegga said:
I do think Zurhaar trade is one which suits us right now. This could be for a good draft pick or tall defender. Larkey seems better, Paul Curtis developing, George available next year, Eddie Ford will improve massively after good year. Zurhaar can do great individual things but doesn't improve those around him or bring others into the game.
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Shegga said:
I do think Zurhaar trade is one which suits us right now. This could be for a good draft pick or tall defender. Larkey seems better, Paul Curtis developing, George available next year, Eddie Ford will improve massively after good year. Zurhaar can do great individual things but doesn't improve those around him or bring others into the game.
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Nope.

Have to manipulate FA again.

Zurhaar could land Band 1 with a good season again.

Salt mines worth it again tbh.

FA compo > trade value when you are down the botttom.

Zurhaar won’t leave for another cellar dweller, so the trade value will have a ceiling.
 
Chadwiko said:
As it stands today, my take on the landscape is this: North will get Band 1 compensation for McKay (pick 2), and the AFL will use some nonsense to say that this counts as our 'draft assistance package'. I have doubts about us getting Sanders.
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If all we get in terms of assistance is free agency compensation that we would have been entitled to any way they should scrap all draft assistance ever. They would be setting a bar that no side can meet.
 
My Left Foote said:
Don't worry the AFL media always find a way to generate more 'content'. Given we traded pick 1 last year we've set a precedent, there will be plenty of 'What if we traded pick 1 to the Dees? Or GWS?' scenarios.
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It'd be hard for them to pull it off with straight faces.

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Sphynx said:
Nope.

Have to manipulate FA again.

Zurhaar could land Band 1 with a good season again.

Salt mines worth it again tbh.

FA compo > trade value when you are down the botttom.

Zurhaar won’t leave for another cellar dweller, so the trade value will have a ceiling.
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Hahaha well it would at least be hilarious to watch the reactions for another year
 
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