List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[czero]

I know im pretty alone on this, but if i were GC id take into account North might not bid one Walters with pick 2 or 3 should they deal with us. In fact if i were them id prefer to scratch our back.

14 and future 20 (which they can on trade or take 23's 19) gives them more than enough points. While let Walters slide saving them 600pts.

19 and 19 (1896pts) to GWS for 7 (1644) and Haynes

Take in 2,3, 5 and 7

That should net us 4 of Curtin, Watson, Sanders, McKercher, O'Sullivan

Here is the problem with going into deficit into future rounds to match F/S or NGA - I do not think you can say I want those points to come from a second round pick - I think it comes off your first round picks value??? I'd love to know for sure.

But I reckon we could get a pretty nice deal from WC for pick 19 this year. As its still first round and therefore triggers 3 year contract, all of those first rounders are slightly more valuable now to interstate clubs.

Potentially we could convert that into west coasts pick 20 (second round, 2 year only) + say pick 53, then just chuck on our pick 52

WC lose 20 and 52 for pick 19 (and a longer term contract)

We lose pick 14, 19, 52 for pick 4, and now have 130 more points than

And now have (potentially) picks 2,3,5,40

 

[R00StaR]

Its a nice idea, but I can't see them giving up a top ten pick to service a trade they don't have to make.

I don't think they can do much with points this year because they don't have any high ranked academy kids.

Honestly, I'd be happy enough getting Haynes and a future second from them for our 4th rounder, so long as that F2 procures us another solid role player.

Thats why getting Haynes off the books and the 2 x future picks may do the trick, gives them points for next season.
All depends how bad they want Haynes cap space.

 

[R00StaR]

Here is the problem with going into deficit into future rounds to match F/S or NGA - I do not think you can say I want those points to come from a second round pick - I think it comes off your first round picks value??? I'd love to know for sure.

But I reckon we could get a pretty nice deal from WC for pick 19 this year. As its still first round and therefore triggers 3 year contract, all of those first rounders are slightly more valuable now to interstate clubs.

Potentially we could convert that into west coasts pick 20 (second round, 2 year only) + say pick 53, then just chuck on our pick 52

WC lose 20 and 52 for pick 19 (and a longer term contract)

We lose pick 14, 19, 52 for pick 4, and now have 130 more points than

And now have (potentially) picks 2,3,5,40

Yes they come from your first pick thats why they'll want to trade out pick 5.
However we get to decide if we bid on him at 2 or 3 or not at all. 'IF' we dont bid we save them over 600pts.
Thats incentive enough to scratch our back by trading with us so we 'might' scratch their back by not bidding.

 

[czero]

Yes they come from your first pick thats why they'll want to trade out pick 5.
However we get to decide if we bid on him at 2 or 3 or not at all. 'IF' we dont bid we save them over 600pts.
Thats incentive enough to scratch our back by trading with us so we 'might' scratch their back by not bidding.

Dealing with us for less points than another bid might get us in trouble - that could be clear enough signal for draft manipulation and IMO with a pretty good case against us. The deal would have to probably include a player as well (and not the same one they might deal to the dogs) because otherwise its just a straight up gotcha.

 

[JGreezy]

I thought that it was interesting that Clarkson noted on SEN that the next two drafts are midfield heavy and we don't need mids. And he again mentioned how he loaded up on KPP at Hawthorn.

I just wonder if Clarko is putting a recruiting effort into Croft.

I also wonder if they're considering trading our F1. Would be very risky.

 

[R00StaR]

Dealing with us for less points than another bid might get us in trouble - that could be clear enough signal for draft manipulation and IMO with a pretty good case against us. The deal would have to probably include a player as well (and not the same one they might deal to the dogs) because otherwise its just a straight up gotcha.

We've got history of not bidding when we know we wont get them, ie Daicos

 

[tiltraise]

In: 5,62, F1 (GC)
Out: 15,20,41,53, PP F19, PP F20, F4

This would give us

2,3,5,61,62

F1, F1 (GC), F2, F3

 

[The Nostradamus]

I thought that it was interesting that Clarkson noted on SEN that the next two drafts are midfield heavy and we don't need mids. And he again mentioned how he loaded up on KPP at Hawthorn.

I just wonder if Clarko is putting a recruiting effort into Croft.

I also wonder if they're considering trading our F1. Would be very risky.

I hope it means we are targeting caddy

 

[chubbspeterson]

Yeah I don't think we can play funny buggers with the not bidding on Walter at pick 2 or 3. Other clubs will be all over that.
I'm sure the AFL would talk to recruiters and Twomey/Shifter about the rankings to get a consensus.

 

[Shinboner1]

Yeah I don't think we can play funny buggers with the not bidding on Walter at pick 2 or 3. Other clubs will be all over that.
I'm sure the AFL would talk to recruiters and Twomey/Shifter about the rankings to get a consensus.

Of course we can. Club chose not to buf on daicos 2 years ago and he was clear #1

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I thought that it was interesting that Clarkson noted on SEN that the next two drafts are midfield heavy and we don't need mids. And he again mentioned how he loaded up on KPP at Hawthorn.

I just wonder if Clarko is putting a recruiting effort into Croft.

I also wonder if they're considering trading our F1. Would be very risky.

Do it.gif

 

[Its a Process]

I thought that it was interesting that Clarkson noted on SEN that the next two drafts are midfield heavy and we don't need mids. And he again mentioned how he loaded up on KPP at Hawthorn.

I just wonder if Clarko is putting a recruiting effort into Croft.

I also wonder if they're considering trading our F1. Would be very risky.

Be funny if we nabbed Croft from the Dogs and jumped ahead of them to trade with Gold Coast for pick 5.

The brave dogs will be steaming.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I hope it means we are targeting caddy

Caddy, Curtin, Croft, O’Sullivan, E. Read, Murphy, A. Reid, W. Green.

8 of the first projected 30 who are over 193cm. We should be picking up at least 2 of them.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Yeah I don't think we can play funny buggers with the not bidding on Walter at pick 2 or 3. Other clubs will be all over that.
I'm sure the AFL would talk to recruiters and Twomey/Shifter about the rankings to get a consensus.

We did the same thing with WB re: Darcy and CW re: Daicos did we not. Draft night trading to not bid?

 

[Arathrawn]

One of those F1st is for Dylan Stephens

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Dylan Stephens

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

. No way the AFL aren't looking after Sydey if they can.

 

[The Y Factor]

Its a nice idea, but I can't see them giving up a top ten pick to service a trade they don't have to make.

I don't think they can do much with points this year because they don't have any high ranked academy kids.

Honestly, I'd be happy enough getting Haynes and a future second from them for our 4th rounder, so long as that F2 procures us another solid role player.

I thought they didn’t want his 1.2-1.4 mil salary off their books?

 

[Tas]

One of those F1st is for Dylan Stephens. No way the AFL aren't looking after Sydey if they can.

Don't think he is worth it tbh, and last time I checked the Swans board they weren't expecting to get much for him.

 

[Tas]

Surely we can just take a good key forward with one of the picks in the teens?

We have some immediate need issues we have to address.

I think KPP we take in the draft are going to be 2-5 years away from being useful. That is the appeal of Curtin, he is pretty much ready to go as he doesn't play like a traditional KPP.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I thought they didn’t want his 1.2-1.4 mil salary off their books?

I’m sure they don’t, but they have said a number of times they aren’t breaching the salary cap by keeping him on.

I doubt any club gives up a top ten pick unless they really need to.

 

[tiltraise]

One of those F1st is for Dylan Stephens. No way the AFL aren't looking after Sydey if they can.

Stephens aint worth an F1.

Perhaps something like

In: Stephens, F2 (SYD)
Out: F2

 

[Sphynx]

I thought that it was interesting that Clarkson noted on SEN that the next two drafts are midfield heavy and we don't need mids. And he again mentioned how he loaded up on KPP at Hawthorn.

I just wonder if Clarko is putting a recruiting effort into Croft.

I also wonder if they're considering trading our F1. Would be very risky.

I'd only trade our F1 with Melbourne or GWS.

I'd trade it for Melbourne's (#5 & #13) or GWS (#6 & #15)

Both would secure us O'Sullivan + Mitch Edwards

 

[justroyal]

I thought that it was interesting that Clarkson noted on SEN that the next two drafts are midfield heavy and we don't need mids. And he again mentioned how he loaded up on KPP at Hawthorn.

I just wonder if Clarko is putting a recruiting effort into Croft.

I also wonder if they're considering trading our F1. Would be very risky.

He also did mention a particular type of mid that’s making the game hard to play because of how much effort it takes to dispossess them.
A big bodied 6 foot 3 mid

 

[chubbspeterson]

We did the same thing with WB re: Darcy and CW re: Daicos did we not. Draft night trading to not bid?

Yeah but pretty sure the AFL said they will scrutinise those deals going forward because Daicos went to pick 4.

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

He also did mention a particular type of mid that’s making the game hard to play because of how much effort it takes to dispossess them.
A big bodied 6 foot 3 mid

Duursma???

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

We have some immediate need issues we have to address.

I think KPP we take in the draft are going to be 2-5 years away from being useful. That is the appeal of Curtin, he is pretty much ready to go as he doesn't play like a traditional KPP.

Until Logue returns, we can run with a pretty mobile and versatile back 6 with the following, should we draft Curtin:

Backs:
Archer 186cm
Corr 195 cm
McDonald 189cm

Half-Backs:
Curtin 195cm
Dawson 196cm
Bergman 189cm

+ Goater 190cm as the defensive wing/7th defender.