Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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Thanks all.

Play nicely, all.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Nothing like that at all actually.

Yes, it's exactly the same because neither have any chance of coming to fruition.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah, willingly believing that crap (and I don't just mean Islam)

I'm sure its great to be delusional.
IMO it would be far worse to be agnostic, and have the local government telling you about all the voodoo you have to do to avoid breaking the law.

 

[faible]

Nothing like that at all actually.

Hamas have no real capacity to eradicate Israel, unlike Israel who keep having government members say they want to remove the Palestinian people… and keep actually doing things to remove the Palestinian people… and have the capacity to remove the Palestinian people.

 

[sr36]

Hamas have no real capacity to eradicate Israel, unlike Israel who keep having government members say they want to remove the Palestinian people… and keep actually doing things to remove the Palestinian people… and have the capacity to remove the Palestinian people.

35 years ago China being the most powerful country in the world was a ridiculous notion - but they're nearly there.

Things can change pretty quickly - I think neither possibility from the original post (the Iran one rather than Hamas) is impossible and beyond future capacity

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes, it's exactly the same because neither have any chance of coming to fruition.

So Jessica Alba appearing naked in my loungeroom and frantically trying to have her way with me , is exactly the same as West Coast winning the GF this year?

Nope.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

35 years ago China being the most powerful country in the world was a ridiculous notion - but they're nearly there.

Things can change pretty quickly - I think neither possibility from the original post (the Iran one rather than Hamas) is impossible and beyond future capacity

35 years ago there were already people talking about the huge population China had.
20 years ago the head of General Motors purchasing was telling suppliers if they weren't in china in the future , they probably wouldn't be buying their stuff.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Nothing like that at all actually.

The difference is apartheid?

 

[sr36]

35 years ago there were already people talking about the huge population China had.
20 years ago the head of General Motors purchasing was telling suppliers if they weren't in china in the future , they probably wouldn't be buying their stuff.

Make it 45 years ago. I thought the Open Door Policy was '88 rather than '78.

But in terms of population, if I was Israel I'd be concerned about the Iranian population advantage.

 

[ferball]

35 years ago China being the most powerful country in the world was a ridiculous notion - but they're nearly there.

Things can change pretty quickly - I think neither possibility from the original post (the Iran one rather than Hamas) is impossible and beyond future capacity

45 but otherwise yeah.

 

[ferball]

Make it 45 years ago. I thought the Open Door Policy was '88 rather than '78.

But in terms of population, if I was Israel I'd be concerned about the Iranian population advantage.

snap.

 

[blackcat]

This has to end now. Ww1 was i believe at least 30 million death's, WW2 60 million deaths in Europe ( Russia alone 20 million), alot in the Pacific and Asia as well from Japan's aggression.

We have global warming, potentially new diseases transferring from Animals, threats from asteroids. Leaders need to cooperate.
Surely this conflict and Russia/ Ukraine are unnecessary

yep , they™ .G.A.M.E.D. it , props to

bravo, antony.




on the other hand, there’s the familiar story of lies from israeli apologists.

MashaGessens awards rescinded , Gessen dated my friends common-law's wife , her niece in StPetersberg and broke her heart , Gessen broke the young woman's heart , aunt lives Hampton

 

[blackcat]

45 but otherwise yeah.

PJK saw* it , PeterZeihan exFriedmanStratfor has his demographics = destiny maxim (he's a blowhard , see:bNelson's advisor at American institute TSwtz) , zeihan international strategy in DunedinOtago w flyingnunR

Kissinger may have given Sino's a hand grenade sans pin w 1child

Assange 13yr ago v HRC at State saw merger of SiliconSanJose × state power in DC

Kissinger builds up Sino's to beta-test new world coordination and operations , schmidt takes his seat

 

[blackcat]

M.Regev (BurwoodRd)

TonyJones husband of 730ferguson got many hours grilling MR just like BeebChannel4 Maitlis

 

[Rayzorwire]

At 5:20 a.m. on Tuesday, about a dozen Israeli agents in disguise raided one of the biggest hospitals in Jenin in the occupied West Bank, where they assassinated three young Palestinian men who were sleeping.

The agents arrived dressed as doctors, nurses, patients, and Palestinian civilians, including a woman in a hijab and a man in a wheelchair, a video that surfaced of the raid on Jenin's Ibn Sina Hospital showed. At least one of the agents can also be seen carrying a baby bassinet.

The video showed them pulling out assault rifles as soon as they entered the hospital, where they were reportedly targeting a Hamas-linked man.

The operation reportedly took around 10 minutes, according to Israeli reports, during which three Palestinian men were killed while sleeping in their beds. The Israeli army said that only one of the assassinated men was reportedly a Hamas member.

The raid left parts of the hospital destroyed, with beds upturned and blood stains covering the floor and equipment.

The attack was carried out by an Israeli undercover unit known as the Musta'ribeen, or Mista'arvim in Hebrew.

Who are Musta'ribeen, Israel's agents posing as Palestinians

The Musta’ribeen, or Mista'arvim, are Israeli operatives disguised as Palestinians or Arabs to gather intelligence or carry out assassinations

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Inconsistencies appear in Israel UNRWA 7 October allegations

Israel had claimed that 12 UNRWA employees were involved in Hamas' 7 October attack, and several countries suspended their funding to the agency in response.

www.newarab.com

Starbucks cuts sales forecast and misses market expectations amid boycotts

Despite booking record revenue the business was hit by staff walkouts and a dropping number of US occasional visitors.

news.sky.com

 

[Demonic Ascent]

So Jessica Alba appearing naked in my loungeroom and frantically trying to have her way with me , is exactly the same as West Coast winning the GF this year?

Nope.

What the hell are you on about

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The operation reportedly took around 10 minutes, according to Israeli reports, during which three Palestinian men were killed while sleeping in their beds. The Israeli army said that only one of the assassinated men was reportedly a Hamas member.

So who were the other two????

 

[Rayzorwire]

So who were the other two????

I did see one report, not sure if that was about the 'Hamas linked' one of the three or not.

The article didn't say much, IIRC, beyond that he was in hospital because he was a quadraplegic and he'd been there for months, he was killed in his sleep and the rest was his family and the hospital staff expressing how they felt about the situation.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Bombing kindergartens now.

Gaza authorities accuse Israel of ‘heinous massacre’ in Deir el-Balah

Gaza’s government media office says Israeli forces killed 30 people in a supposedly ‘safe area’ over the past 24 hours.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What the hell are you on about

Your poor logic that states that two things are alike, just because they are both unlikely to happen.

 

[Saint]

Beyond words now. The IDF was running the social media accounts showing dead Palestinians. How are they better than Hamas again?

Israeli army admits running unauthorized graphic Gaza influence op

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Saint]

Here's some stuff the Israeli Defence Force was sharing...... and if anyone claims they're not immoral war criminals, they're gullible and simple.

If I hear "oh, they're a modern military trying the most ever to reduce civilian casualties" I won't be able to hold it in any more.

An 11 October post reportedly read: “Burning their mother … You won’t believe the video we got! You can hear the crunch of their bones. We’ll upload it right away, get ready.” Images of Palestinian captives were captioned “Exterminating the roaches … exterminating the Hamas rats … Share this beauty.” A video of an Israeli soldier allegedly dipping machine gun bullets in pork fat had the caption: “What a man!!!!! Lubricates bullets with lard. You won’t get your virgins.” And: “Garbage juice!!!! Another dead terrorist!! You have to watch it with the sound, you’ll die laughing.”

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Beyond words now. The IDF was running the social media accounts showing dead Palestinians. How are they better than Hamas again?

Israeli army admits running unauthorized graphic Gaza influence op

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www.haaretz.com

Depending which calculation you use, IDF are somewhere between 30 and 121 times worse than Hamas. And thats just after October 7.

You could even use apartheid as a multiplier on top of that.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Your poor logic that states that two things are alike, just because they are both unlikely to happen.

When you're talking about two groups of people inciting genocide without the means to do so, I'd say the comparison is apt. Unlike your Jessica Alba wet dream

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Bombing kindergartens now.

Gaza authorities accuse Israel of ‘heinous massacre’ in Deir el-Balah

Gaza’s government media office says Israeli forces killed 30 people in a supposedly ‘safe area’ over the past 24 hours.

www.aljazeera.com

Not genocide

 

[Saint]

Bombing kindergartens now.

Gaza authorities accuse Israel of ‘heinous massacre’ in Deir el-Balah

Gaza’s government media office says Israeli forces killed 30 people in a supposedly ‘safe area’ over the past 24 hours.

www.aljazeera.com

Well, the IDF committed war crimes to shoot a paraplegic in his hospital bed because he was a threat. The IDF claims all Palestinian males as Hamas, so why not kill the under 18's as well?

The Australians who have gone and fought overseas for the IDF should have their Australian citizenship revoked and not be allowed back in the country.