List Mgmt. 2024 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Scythe]

Confirmed outs:

• Alex Neal-Bullen (Traded to Adelaide)
• Angus Brayshaw (Retired)
• Ben Brown (Retired)
• Lachie Hunter (Retired)
• Adam Tomlinson (Delisted)
• Josh Schache (Delisted)
• Kyah Farris-White (Delisted)
• Future First (Traded to Essendon)
• Future Third (Traded to Adelaide)
• Picks 40, 54, 65 (Traded to Essendon)
• Pick 49 (Traded to Brisbane)
• Joel Smith (Delisted)

Confirmed ins:

• Tom Campbell (Free Agent from St Kilda)
• Harry Sharp (Traded from Brisbane)
• Future Third (Traded from Brisbane)
• Harvey Langford (Pick 6)
• Xavier Lindsay (Pick 11, Traded from Essendon)
• Aidan Johnson (Pick 68)
• Ricky Mentha (Cat B Rookie)

On-traded:

• Pick 28 (from Adelaide, to Essendon)
• Pick 46 (from Adelaide, to Essendon)
• Future Third (from Essendon, to Brisbane)

 

[schmuttt]

Really want to see us re sign Sparrow and Langdon.

They both need good seasons. Sparrow needs to be more than a nothing player and Langdon needs to recapture his 2021 form.

 

[Scythe]

They both need good seasons. Sparrow needs to be more than a nothing player and Langdon needs to recapture his 2021 form.

Yeah, if he's poor again he'd be perfect trade bait (given he's OOC, not FA). Should be able to convince a struggling club that they're getting one of the league's best wingers

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I dont think Langdon was as bad as people are making out last year, had a few ordinary games but that will happen as a winger. Love his work ethic in game. Hes good at what he does. Sparrow isn't really good at anything. Seems to get a free pass coz hes being played out of position, Billings should be the type of player who should take his place if Sparrow is spending most of his game time at half forward.

 

[Demon 16]

I have a feeling Langdon was carrying something minor or wasn’t 100% for parts of last year.

He is having a really good preseason going by reports, so I’m hopeful he will have a better year than last year.

 

[Scythe]

I dont think Langdon was as bad as people are making out last year, had a few ordinary games but that will happen as a winger. Love his work ethic in game. Hes good at what he does. Sparrow isn't really good at anything. Seems to get a free pass coz hes being played out of position, Billings should be the type of player who should take his place if Sparrow is spending most of his game time at half forward.

There was certainly a natural downturn in his influence with us using Hunter's wing more in 2023, and his kicking has always been poor/terrible, but I feel like ever since he had his ribs broken by Thomas (midway through 2022), he hasn't been the same player.

Still a bloody hard worker, but he seems a whole lot less sure of himself, both with ball in hand and in the contest.

Also I'll stand by partially blaming the haircut. Wingers should have long majestic locks that flow in the breeze down the wing of the 'G

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

There was certainly a natural downturn in his influence with us using Hunter's wing more in 2023, and his kicking has always been poor/terrible, but I feel like ever since he had his ribs broken by Thomas (midway through 2022), he hasn't been the same player.

Still a bloody hard worker, but he seems a whole lot less sure of himself, both with ball in hand and in the contest.

Also I'll stand by partially blaming the haircut. Wingers should have long majestic locks that flow in the breeze down the wing of the 'G

I actually think hes one of if not our best kick inside 50 when up against the boundary line, always seems to find someone and make good decisions. Agree hes down on 2021 form but so is the team as a whole and he plays a position that is reliant on play going to his side of the ground like you said. This is part of the reason why i said the other day that I dont want Windsor to be just pigeon holed as a winger moving forward. Being a winger is somewhat donkeys work, hes a thoroughbred I reckon. Would love to see us use him and Rivers rotating off half back and on ball at some stage in the future.

 

[SugarHealey]

Unless he kicks 65 goals this year, I doubt we’d get that.

I remain hopeful.
Otherwise he can stay.

 

[SugarHealey]

Since when did he become Wayne Carey.?

Wayne Carey, are you kidding.

Wayne Carey would get 3 top 10 picks, in today's trading.

 

[Daemon]

They both need good seasons. Sparrow needs to be more than a nothing player and Langdon needs to recapture his 2021 form.

Spot on. My opinion was more in the context of that list of ooc players these guys have shown the most, whereas most of the others are depth and likely to get cut.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Sparrow is a bit of a wasted player for us really. Wtf is his role? He's behind 3 or 4 others as inside mid. Can't see his role being expanded in the guts while we still have Trac, Clarry, Viney, Gus etc

 

[dazzledavey36]

Sparrow is a bit of a wasted player for us really. Wtf is his role? He's behind 3 or 4 others as inside mid. Can't see his role being expanded in the guts while we still have Trac, Clarry, Viney, Gus etc

He really is a nothing player.

For a midfielder that's played 70 odd games, he's highest average for disposal is only 17.1 which was last year. Poor in my opinion.

Literally don't know what he actually adds to our team. Hope Woewodin or even Laurie goes past year.

 

[Topkent]

He really is a nothing player.

For a midfielder that's played 70 odd games, he's highest average for disposal is only 17.1 which was last year. Poor in my opinion.

Literally don't know what he actually adds to our team. Hope Woewodin or even Laurie goes past year.

I don't really care about his disposals, but he doesn't take control of games as a forward. He should have a couple 3-4 goal games now. Be able to out mark an opponent. Win a game with defensive pressure etc. I'd guess his had less than 5 games being in the top 5 on the ground

 

[schmuttt]

I don't really care about his disposals, but he doesn't take control of games as a forward. He should have a couple 3-4 goal games now. Be able to out mark an opponent. Win a game with defensive pressure etc. I'd guess his had less than 5 games being in the top 5 on the ground

Has kicked multiple goals in a game once in his career. Coaches seem to love him but geez I don’t see it.

 

[Bluelegs]

Would be fine as a 3rd or 4th mid. Behind too many better players in that regard. Probably should look for a trade but I suspect he's insurance for Oliver.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Would be fine as a 3rd or 4th mid. Behind too many better players in that regard. Probably should look for a trade but I suspect he's insurance for Oliver.

Even with Oliver out last year he was still ordinary.

There was opportunity for him to really grab it with both hands and honestly, I genuinely can't remember a stand out game at all where I thought he's ready to step up amongst the likes of Viney Petracca and Brayshaw when they were doing the grunt work for Oliver's absence.

In fact, I can't even remember a stand out game in general from his whole career? I could easily pick out games for Bowey, Rivers, Kozzy and Judd McVee, but nothing with Sparrow.

 

[Topkent]

Would be fine as a 3rd or 4th mid. Behind too many better players in that regard. Probably should look for a trade but I suspect he's insurance for Oliver.

Annoying If that was the case because it's the easiest position to cover in the AFL

 

[Topkent]

Don't anyone dare say he played well in the finals of 21' because tell me a player who didn't

 

[stEdy]

Coaches love him as he's very "coachable" and is happy to take on defensively minded team roles in the midfield rotations.

I agree he could have done more with Clarry out but I think he had some pretty decent games. Still only 23. I don't think he will ever be a player that gets 30 touches every week but he's a good tackle, durable and a decent overhead mark.

I think he's tracking okay but he does need to make a position his own over the next 1-2 years

 

[dazzledavey36]

By comparisons, look at Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

from Sydney for instance.

Pick 39 in the 2020 draft and didn't come with a huge draft profile at all that screams future star. All eerily similar to Tom Sparrow

32

Tom Sparrow

Age

25

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

3.0

5star

who was pick 32 and not a big draft profile either.

Has played 60 odd games for Sydney in a tough midfield outfit and is already one of the AFL best up and coming midfield talent of the game all while being a year younger then Sparrow.

Averaged 24 disposal per game last year and kicked 15 goals and finished top 5 in their best and fairest last year.

Our expectations of Sparrow should absolutely be at this level.

 

[stEdy]

I think that's ridiculous - Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

is a young star of the game.

Sparrow is largely a role player with good leadership ability and a selfless attitude. If we require all of our young mids to be at Warner's level then you're going to be bitterly disappointed.

I think Sparrow's level (at his best in 3-4 years when he's fully developed) is about a Kane Lambert

23

Kane Lambert

Age

34

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.5

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

17.3

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.6

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

3star

- who made the AA squad once. You need these players in a team.

 

[dazzledavey36]

I think that's ridiculous - Chad Warner is a young star of the game.

Sparrow is largely a role player with good leadership ability and a selfless attitude. If we require all of our young mids to be at Warner's level then you're going to be bitterly disappointed.

I think Sparrow's level (at his best in 3-4 years when he's fully developed) is about a Kane Lambert - who made the AA squad once. You need these players in a team.

I think you're missing the point of my discussion.
No one is indeed asking all of our mids to get to that level. I'm stating that Sparrow has all the tools in becoming an elite player with his speed, power and hardness and his draft range and profile is eerily similar to of Warner's. Warner was never talked about as a top 10 draft prospect or even top 20. That's why I made the comparisons because of how similar they were coming through the junior. For instance, I would never compare Sparrow to Walsh because Walsh was also destined to be a star from day dot he entered the AFL competition.

With 70 games under his belt, premiership medal and 24 years of age, our expectations of him should be high because he cannot continue live in the shadows of Petracca, Oliver, Viney etc.

Sparrow needs to start standing up and demanding that he's ready to take over the likes of Jack Viney for instance.

Why do we need him to be a Kane Lambert half forward when we already have role players doing that such as ANB (very similar player and similar position) Chandler and Spargo doing exactly this.

 

[Topkent]

Yeah one of the reasons we stalled after 21 and are treading water is because our 5 best players in 21 were Gawn, Oliver, Trac, May and Lever.

Our 5 most important players this year are Gawn, Oliver, Trac, May and Lever.

Lever/Fritsch can be argued but the point is apart from Rivers, no one's a much better player than 21' really.

 

[stEdy]

I think you're missing the point of my discussion.
No one is indeed asking all of our mids to get to that level. I'm stating that Sparrow has all the tools in becoming an elite player with his speed, power and hardness and his draft range and profile is eerily similar to of Warner's. Warner was never talked about as a top 10 draft prospect or even top 20. That's why I made the comparisons because of how similar they were coming through the junior. For instance, I would never compare Sparrow to Walsh because Walsh was also destined to be a star from day dot he entered the AFL competition.

With 70 games under his belt, premiership medal and 24 years of age, our expectations of him should be high because he cannot continue live in the shadows of Petracca, Oliver, Viney etc.

Sparrow needs to start standing up and demanding that he's ready to take over the likes of Jack Viney for instance.

Why do we need him to be a Kane Lambert half forward when we already have role players doing that such as ANB (very similar player and similar position) Chandler and Spargo doing exactly this.

This is the bit I disagree with. I think he absolutely can live in the shadows of our star midfielders for the short term and look to compliment them. Medium to long term I hope he continues to develop into a star of the game but I'm not sure he has that ceiling.

I brought up Lambert because he did a lot of the defensive running for Dusty to be able to float forward and do damage. Sparrow plays a similar role for us and Trac has specifically called out Sparrow's hard work in interviews to allow him to play his natural game.

I don't think Sparrow has the talent and ball winning ability of someone like Warner - and that's okay.

I think our disagreement is largely over Sparrow's ceiling and it seems like you think he can deliver much more whereas I'm kind of unsure on that

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Sparrow is largely a role player with good leadership ability and a selfless attitude. If we require all of our young mids to be at Warner's level then you're going to be bitterly disappointed.

I think Sparrow's level (at his best in 3-4 years when he's fully developed) is about a Kane Lambert - who made the AA squad once. You need these players in a team.

I dont think Sparrow has much if any development left in him mate. Could be handy on a bottom 6 team needing an inside mid if given a full time on ball role with them, but with us I wouldnt expect to see any great improvement at all. He is basically a poor man's Vanders. (in terms of impact on the game as a half forward, Vanders would impact a game more often with similar or less of the ball than Sparrow does)

 

[SugarHealey]

Sparrow is a bit of a wasted player for us really. Wtf is his role? He's behind 3 or 4 others as inside mid. Can't see his role being expanded in the guts while we still have Trac, Clarry, Viney, Gus etc

???

Tracca isn't guaranteed to be fulltime mid, as he ages.

Gus is almost a week to week proposition.

And now with Tholstrup and Windsor on the list they will both push for mid spots this year IMO.

Then there is joey Woey, also putting his hand up for midfield minutes.