Rumour Jeremy Finlayson under investigation - 3 game suspension

[Teal Leviathan]

I'd be comfortable with a hefty penalty for Finlayson so long as it also comes accompanied with an admission from the AFL that Clarkson's sanction should've been significantly stronger than it was and that, by allowing Clarkson to escape with such a trivial sanction, the AFL have fostered an atmosphere that contributes to incidents such as the one before us.

Similar to the case with Toby Greene

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's lengthy suspension for contact with an umpire. The AFL had allowed an atmosphere of player disrespect towards umpires to fester over a number of years without real sanction, until Greene took it one step too far and had to be made an example of. The penalty was fine, the context was not.

 

[Lingsface]

What a w***er.

What exactly did he say and who did he say it to? (I’m nosy )

This sledge is just as bad think of the people who choose only to masturbate its not easy being them and they have had to deal with these names for centuries.

 

[SuperMal]

I'd be comfortable with a hefty penalty for Finlayson so long as it also comes accompanied with an admission from the AFL that Clarkson's sanction should've been significantly stronger than it was and that, by allowing Clarkson to escape with such a trivial sanction, the AFL have fostered an atmosphere that contributes to incidents such as the one before us.

Similar to the case with Toby Greene's lengthy suspension for contact with an umpire. The AFL had allowed an atmosphere of player disrespect towards umpires to fester over a number of years without real sanction, until Greene took it one step too far and had to be made an example of. The penalty was fine, the context was not.

Re Clarkson - good luck with that.

Quadruple premiership coach - Poster boy for the Coaching fraternity until Hardwick - He’s pretty much teflon

 

[radiojake]

genuinely haven't heard anyone use the F word since I was in high school or just out of it- basically 20 years

The guy must be a throwback of sorts for that to be in his vocab

 

[Underarm]

I see. They're claiming it's okay because he was provoked though.

Everyone's morals and sanity go out the door when it comes to their own club. Tribalism kicks in and you can justify anything, even the worst things.

It's the takes from neutral commenters that I feel the most sorry for.

 

[Teal Leviathan]

Re Clarkson - good luck with that.

Quadruple premiership coach - Poster boy for the Coaching fraternity until Hardwick - He’s pretty much teflon

Yeah, the AFL is obviously never going to admit that they got it wrong with Clarkson. I'm not suggesting that the AFL should be lenient on Finlayson because they were lenient on Clarkson. It's more important to make it clear to everyone that homophobic (racist, etc.) slurs are unacceptable in the world of football, than it is to be consistent with prior wet lettuce sanctions. But if and when Finlayson does cop a heavy sanction to convey that message, and I suspect that he will, I think that he (and relevant club figures) could reasonably feel somewhat annoyed that the AFL is choosing to draw that line here and now with him, rather than previously with Clarkson.

 

[Drought Break]

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I found this - kinda says the N word was widely used. Seems incredible that this was still a stand until very recently.

Named after a Toowoomba player at start of 19th century (1910-20) who got the nickname for his Snow White hair. Stephen Hagan from Toowoomba an aboriginal activist led the charge to get sign removed. He was also main person involved in getting Coon cheese name changed to Cheer

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Same penalty as Tex seems the fair thing.

He should get a similar penalty to Clarkson, imo. But the AFL should make it clear that harsher penalties will apply in the future for similar words.

I'm pretty sure Finlayson has learnt his lesson. No doubt he and his family are doing it rough atm because of this drama.

And as I said earlier- he said it in the heat of the moment, he owned it at the first available break, and he apologised to the guy in person and also fronted the media! I mean ffs

 

[austinnn]

He didn't mean to be homophobic, he just used a word to vilify gay people because gay people used to be considered losers?

How on earth did you get that from what I wrote?

At best, you are an imbecile, but I think it's more likely that you're being disingenuous in an attempt to paint anyone who is not on board the Newthink Express as a barbarian. I know, it's not just you, people all over social media are doing this in arguments about any social issue.

But just so it's clear for any other people tempted to believe the rubbish you wrote: no: gay people didn't use to be considered losers. The F word was used as a synonym for "loser" and the target for this generic put down could be anyone, not just gay people.

I'm sure if you are over 15, you will remember this and the fact that I even have to remind you majes me think there's some cognitive dissonance going on here.

 

[Engimal v3]

How on earth did you get that from what I wrote?

At best, you are an imbecile, but I think it's more likely that you're being disingenuous in an attempt to paint anyone who is not on board the Newthink Express as a barbarian. I know, it's not just you, people all over social media are doing this in arguments about any social issue.

But just so it's clear for any other people tempted to believe the rubbish you wrote: no: gay people didn't use to be considered losers. The F word was used as a synonym for "loser" and the target for this generic put down could be anyone, not just gay people.

I'm sure if you are over 15, you will remember this and the fact that I even have to remind you majes me think there's some cognitive dissonance going on here.

What a crock of shit. People associated the F word with losers because they didn't like gay people.

Of course people will try to rewrite history like you did, and put it all down to a misunderstanding. I'm not proud that I grew up saying the N-word, F-word, R-word and every other bad word you can think of - but at least I'm big enough and ugly enough to not lie about it what it meant lol

 

[Underarm]

He should get a similar penalty to Clarkson, imo. But the AFL should make it clear that harsher penalties will apply in the future for similar words.

Why not star the harsher penalties now? Give him a harsh enough penalty and maybe there won't be a next time.

I'm pretty sure Finlayson has learnt his lesson. No doubt he and his family are doing it rough atm because of this drama.

Probably should have thought about that before saying it. Finlayson could end all speculation by stepping up and announcing he's taking a month off as a self punishment.

 

[Gough]

He should get a similar penalty to Clarkson, imo. But the AFL should make it clear that harsher penalties will apply in the future for similar words.

I'm pretty sure Finlayson has learnt his lesson. No doubt he and his family are doing it rough atm because of this drama.

And as I said earlier- he said it in the heat of the moment, he owned it at the first available break, and he apologised to the guy in person and also fronted the media! I mean ffs

I think he's going to have to bare his bum and take his licks so to speak. I feel sorry for him because I know his situation and doubt he's a homphobe but the AFL have squibbed it when it comes to the LGBTQIA+ community at every opportunity and now they've got an easy chance to look like they're making a stand.

 

[Toump Ass]

gay people didn't use to be considered losers. The F word was used as a synonym for "loser" and the target for this generic put down could be anyone, not just gay people.

lol you can’t possibly believe this.

I’m old and this word has always been a derogatory word for gay dudes.

 

[SC_Power]

Yeah, the AFL is obviously never going to admit that they got it wrong with Clarkson. I'm not suggesting that the AFL should be lenient on Finlayson because they were lenient on Clarkson. It's more important to make it clear to everyone that homophobic (racist, etc.) slurs are unacceptable in the world of football, than it is to be consistent with prior wet lettuce sanctions. But if and when Finlayson does cop a heavy sanction to convey that message, and I suspect that he will, I think that he (and relevant club figures) could reasonably feel somewhat annoyed that the AFL is choosing to draw that line here and now with him, rather than previously with Clarkson.

Maybe the AFL media might highlight the hypocrisy with Clarkson?

They would, if they didn't have to backtrack with their own defence of Clarkson in their newspaper and radio and TV and streaming and podcasts and social media posts.

 

[The 747]

Two weeks

 

[SuperMal]

Yeah, the AFL is obviously never going to admit that they got it wrong with Clarkson. I'm not suggesting that the AFL should be lenient on Finlayson because they were lenient on Clarkson. It's more important to make it clear to everyone that homophobic (racist, etc.) slurs are unacceptable in the world of football, than it is to be consistent with prior wet lettuce sanctions. But if and when Finlayson does cop a heavy sanction to convey that message, and I suspect that he will, I think that he (and relevant club figures) could reasonably feel somewhat annoyed that the AFL is choosing to draw that line here and now with him, rather than previously with Clarkson.

Agree completely

 

[SuperMal]

Named after a Toowoomba player at start of 19th century (1910-20) who got the nickname for his Snow White hair. Stephen Hagan from Toowoomba an aboriginal activist led the charge to get sign removed. He was also main person involved in getting Coon cheese name changed to Cheer

Yes..it WAS commonly used…became less so in ‘society’ (Not the outback) , but over the last 40 years has made a resurgence - probably because of the American influence and rural racial disharmony.

 

[austinnn]

lol you can’t possibly believe this.

I’m old and this word has always been a derogatory word for gay dudes.

Yep, I'll hold my hands up here and say i didnt communicate clearly enough.

Of course the word was used by some people to target homosexuals.

Of course at the base of things, this word became a byword for loser because of society's disrespect for homosexuality in the past.

People who don't think deeply about the ramifications used the F word and R word a lot without targeting homosexual or disabled people to put people down, which is not at all nice but doesn't necessarily make them homophobes or ablist.

I have no idea if JF or Clarko are homophobes or not, or in what sense they meant the word. Yes it needs to stop but a little bit of perspective please; don't scream that they are committing hate crimes, it's not at all the same thing and diminishes the severity of real hate crime by association.

 

[iameviljez]

People who don't think deeply about the ramifications used the F word and R word a lot without targeting homosexual or disabled people to put people down, which is not at all nice but doesn't necessarily make them homophobes or ablist.

Not necessarily, but it's getting much, much harder to use those words now in society without realising that they are now taboo, and making the connection as to why.

Of course some parts of society change faster than others, but Gen Z are vastly less tolerant of people using "f*g" and "r****d" as insults than my Millennial generation was.

It's getting to the point now where ignorance is a LOT harder to claim, and at some point you are saying those words because you genuinely either have no respect for the reasons they are deemed taboo, or you actively want to make a contrarian statement about why they are taboo.

 

[iameviljez]

but over the last 40 years has made a resurgence - probably because of the American influence and rural racial disharmony

Most likely, yes. There's now a subset of people who actively like to push back against social taboo, to identify themselves as racist/homophobic/etc., and be contrarian to society's rules.

 

[iameviljez]

no: gay people didn't use to be considered losers.

I can only assume that you grew up under a rock somewhere. Certainly when I went to school in the late 90s, coming out as gay would have made you a massive social target.

 

[Lions Tragic]

Im not admonishing Finlayson of any wrong doing, he'll get his whack from the AFL, not just for the fact it's wrong and they've got an image to uphold, but the amount of people on this thread claiming to have never said a bad word in the heat of the moment since childhood is staggering. We must have a board of saints. People are very quick to jump on someone for big punishments, without remembering they're still people in high pressure environments.

I think the context and intent are important with any verbal insults, the same words between friends as opposed to be directed at an individual in a minority have much different weights behind them.

 

[Engimal v3]

Most likely, yes. There's now a subset of people who actively like to push back against social taboo, to identify themselves as racist/homophobic/etc., and be contrarian to society's rules.

In some part of Australia, being racist/homophobic is apart of society's rules lol

 

[parano1a]

Why is this thread still tagged as a rumour when the player has admitted using the slur?

 

[Maddo11]

This should have been resolved by now as well, what's the hold up