Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

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The race is run, the winner declared!

For further discussion of the election:

USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

I will be keen to watch the handover on J6 I think, Will the Bidens attend unlike Trump? Will the crowd be the biggest in history, Will there be a magical Mystery victory tour and rallies like 2016, Will he reduce his golf games and stop heading North in the Summer or home to Fl in the winter...

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For discussion of the incoming president:

Play Nice - 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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For discussion of the losing candidate:

USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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Enjoy, all!

 

[carlton_99]

I actually think there's a very real chance it will happen as some Republican circles have mentioned this issue when talking about immigration. I don't think Trump has mentioned it but it's very possible it gets proposed to him by Someone in his circle.

So again we are making assumptions about what Trump meant when he didn't say any of it?

 

[Taylor]

The constitution is based on religious text. Has worked okay so far

The line in a A Few Good Men where the Col says something about people inside the wall enjoy all the benefits of peace and safety they provide and have the nerve to question their means of providing it seems to apply.

Now that we have reached paradise let's cast off the means by which we got here.

 

[The Sultan]

Lockdown wasn't necessarily the cause in and of itself, most Governments printed a whole heap of extra cash and funneled it in to the economy, which surprise surprise, caused inflation.

yes to a degree.... but in my case my household ( and assume many other) we didnt get any government hand outs. but we no longer had kids all with different activities and sports, going from here to there, going out with friends, as well as our own activities that you spend money on.. we were lucky to save a shit load of money that we could invest / spend on "luxuries".

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I do like how Trumpists hand wave away everything he says and does as misinterpretations, edited soundbites, jokes, whatever, when he's a convicted felon who led an insurrection on the nation's capitol and still denies he lost 2020 with endless lies about voter fraud. Hell, he started yesterday with another tweet about fraud ... until he started winning.

But Harris has a funny laugh so

 

[HirdsTheWord]

The issue is that we’re not talking about difference of opinion with issues like the economy (which is fine). It’s more the values that differ that go to the core of a what a person believes in.

like what else?

I have a circle of friends that range from left to right, some extremes of both. Everyone has differences but they move on because they are still friends. And they also are adults and understand their opinions differ, doesn't mean they can't remain friends.

Shutting out friends because you disagree with them politically is just about one of the stupidest things you can do. And it's the basic reason why politics is the utter shit show it is now.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Ah Bernie, the Dems did you dirty. They did all of America dirty. This is on them.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Looking forward to no wars in the world and world peace now Donny's got the gig.

Yeah, it's great that we now know the date that the Russia-Ukraine war will end. It's 21st January 2025, the day after Trump's Inauguration, because he has repeatedly said he'll finish it in one day.

 

[DogDaySonny]

Yeah, reflection and self analysis are skills SORELY NEEDED in the aftermath of any defeat. What went wrong? Why? What do we have to do to rectify this problem?

The last paragraph - because our core political values are obviously mismatched I'm obviously going to hope that left-wing progressives actually can get their sh*t together in that nation, and here in Australia for that matter.

I’ll tell you the strategic error the progressive made in the US and the hole they will have to dig themselves out of.

Chuck Schumer encapsulated the electoral strategy saying something like: for every inner city vote we lose, we can gain two suburban voters with a progressive cultural agenda. It turns out, that was completely wrong. The belief that abortion fear mongering 24x7 would bring subrurban mums and their husbands to the democrats faster than ignoring urban issues would lose those votes was just plain wrong.

Wrong for two reasons:

1. On the list of things that suburban families care about (the cost of living, education, employment and housing affordability for their kids, gov’t debt, spending on foreign wars), universal abortion access was so far down that list that it didn’t even register.

2. It opened the Dem’s heartland, the urban voter, to Trump’s one wood: They don’t care about you. The harder the left tries to win suburban votes on cultural issues, the more they play blind monkey on urban issues. The very issues that caused the mass exodus to the suburbs in the first place. Trump didn’t even have to do anything other than highlight Dems were ignoring their core constituency. Every time he did, Kamala yelled something like, “Shut up, Nazi! These people know what’s good for them and won’t listen to you.” But listen they did. They didn’t switch to Trump because he didn’t promise them anything. But he didn’t ignore them and treat them like chattel, so they didn’t turn out for the Dems either.

Now the left needs to decide if 1, they want to continue pursuing a culture war in the suburbs strategy, or 2. Flip back to an urban capture strategy only with the burden of a heightened awareness of the issues that strategy has caused in urban areas over the last 50 years.

It’s a strategically challenging time for the progressive agenda.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

In all honesty if it was between the real Bernie Sanders and Trump id vote Bernie

Unfortunately he was stabbed in the back by wokeism and well Soros

 

[KrispyKremePie]

View attachment 2159962
Downtown LA.
Go ahead and reverse image search.

Democrat stronghold. Behold the inevitable conclusion of the left wing agenda.

You posted a picture that makes it look nicer than it actually is! Last time I was there my friend booked us to stay at ‘The American Hotel’ which is walking distance from Skid Row… I still remember the bad smell!

 

[DogDaySonny]

The Republicans won control of the U.S Senate and might actually get the 'double majority' that means rubber-stamp time for the entirety of their policy

2024 Election highlights: Republicans win Senate majority

Control of the U.S. House of Representatives still hangs in the balance after Republicans won the Senate early Wednesday. Follow the latest AP race calls, results and updates on who's winning.

apnews.com

They didn’t just win the Senate, they are on track to hold more Senate seats than they have since 1930. Before Roosevelt. And the will flip the House. Consider the magnitude of that progressive agenda rejection, particularly considering the person the electorate was willing to accept in rejecting it.

Fortunately for progressives, US political parties, particularly the Republican Party, has nowhere near the party discipline that Australian parties have. There will be no rubber stamping. Both lefty Republicans and conservative Republicans will use their opportunities to deny Trump victories at the margins.

 

[DogDaySonny]

Its been happening for decades, under the policies of both sides.

The idea that Trump will do anything to make the lives of the working poor better (healthcare, poverty, standard of living) is genuinely hilarious.

Possibly true that it is genuinely hilarious. And yet, people are so dissatisfied with the current situation and tired being told to shut up when they complain, that they grabbed the hilarious opportunity with both hands. He can’t be any worse, so what have they to lose?

 

[Chief]

View attachment 2159962
Downtown LA.
Go ahead and reverse image search.

Democrat stronghold. Behold the inevitable conclusion of the left wing agenda.

There are similar scenes in every state I believe.

Rent prices and availability are the cause of much homelessness.

Addiction and mental health cause the rest.

There isn't much evidence against this.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I do like how Trumpists hand wave away everything he says and does as misinterpretations, edited soundbites, jokes, whatever, when he's a convicted felon who led an insurrection on the nation's capitol and still denies he lost 2020 with endless lies about voter fraud. Hell, he started yesterday with another tweet about fraud ... until he started winning.

But Harris has a funny laugh so

Not one Trump supporter thinks she lost because of her laugh. Poor communication of her policies and lack of distancing herself from the cancer that is Joe Biden did that

I mean If you think Trumps criminal history is seen as more important then putting food on your table and clothes on your back you are missing the point of the political system altogether

People don't care about tweets or loan fraud . People care about their families. They proved that yesterday

 

[faible]

You are free to vote to change that.

Sure, I'd love to have a vote on that. When will it be happening?

 

[Maggie5]

In all honesty very few things ive made my mind up on in life and im hard to sway on. Basically would say the 3 things of

• Net Zero is a scam

Difficult to achieve but no harm in trying, something needs to be done though and no head burying.

• Taxation system needs a massive overhaul and is 100% broken to the core

Agree not only there but here too. In USA start with billionaires.

• Children cant make large scale decisions on their future without parental consent

Don't really understand this one.

are ones im not waivering from. Number 2 is where tariffs fit in.

Tariffs separate to taxation and is more complicated than increasing with countries and throwing agreements out as will directly affect us. A shaky China which will impact their economy will affect our exports. Example is the Soy beans farmers, China retaliated which then Trump had to give grants ($7.3B) to affected farmers. He needs to be careful as China can find alternative countries. Brazil is China's No.1 exporter of Soy Beans, USA second biggest.

That is why countries have agreements, don't like them, renegotiate not ad hoc increases just because.

I find if I read something and doesn't ring true or right, I tend to research more about it and try to read pros and cons then make up my own mind.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Not one Trump supporter thinks she lost because of her laugh. Poor communication of her policies and lack of distancing herself from the cancer that is Joe Biden did that

I mean If you think Trumps criminal history is seen as more important then putting food on your table and clothes on your back you are missing the point of the political system altogether

People don't care about tweets or loan fraud . People care about their families. They proved that yesterday

Oh, if Kamala Harris was a Bernie Sanders type. What might have been.

 

[Golden_6]

like what else?

I have a circle of friends that range from left to right, some extremes of both. Everyone has differences but they move on because they are still friends. And they also are adults and understand their opinions differ, doesn't mean they can't remain friends.

Shutting out friends because you disagree with them politically is just about one of the stupidest things you can do. And it's the basic reason why politics is the utter shit show it is now.

It isn't that easy though. It's natural for humans to want to surround themselves with those that hold and represent the same or similar values. I'm not just talking pure political views and more those that blur the lines between political and human rights issues.

Not directly relevant to me but use the abortion issue as a point of contention. Could you see how it would be difficult for those on either end of the spectrum to be friends? You have one pushing with bodily autonomy and women human rights and the other calling for a complete ban on abortions under any circumstances. This is just an example where it's difficult to just 'move on'.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Difficult to achieve but no harm in trying, something needs to be done though and no head burying.

Agree not only there but here too. In USA start with billionaires.

Don't really understand this one.

Tariffs separate to taxation and is more complicated than increasing with countries and throwing agreements out as will directly affect us. A shaky China which will impact their economy will affect our exports. Example is the Soy beans farmers, China retaliated which then Trump had to give grants ($7.3B) to affected farmers. He needs to be careful as China can find alternative countries. Brazil is China's No.1 exporter of Soy Beans, USA second biggest.

That is why countries have agreements, don't like them, renegotiate not ad hoc increases just because.

I find if I read something and doesn't ring true or right, I tend to research more about it and try to read pros and cons then make up my own mind.

I'm saying I have researched them and made my decision.

Certain things are just I guess long term philosophies that don't have enough moving parts for a 37 year old man to alter his view on

Tariffs are 2 percent of the way to fixing the taxation system. They are not the answer. They are part 1 of 50 in the solution. Tear it down and start again

Taxation is such a mess that it just needs a collective decision approach. One singular change isn't the problem of the solution here

 

[faible]

If they enter the country illegally that's literally a crime lol. What are these stats exactly, is it Americans do more crimes based on whole numbers or by percentage because those numbers matter. You do realise the more illegal immigrants come in through the border the more it enhances drug and human trafficking? Puts mass pressure on government and societal systems like healthcare and housing. Just recently the fentaol epidemic has skyrocketed an illegal immigrant went and murdered a few young girls that was definitely preventable and some gangs have taken over whole apparment complexes.

You got any facts or studies to support any of these claims?

I do:

Advancing Justice Through Science

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is dedicated to improving knowledge and understanding of crime and justice issues through science.

nij.ojp.gov

Undocumented Immigrants commit fewer crimes than Documented Immigrants, who commit fewer crimes than US Born Citizens.

If your best argument is 'oh they committed a crime via entering' then that doesn't at all support the rest of your post.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Not one Trump supporter thinks she lost because of her laugh. Poor communication of her policies and lack of distancing herself from the cancer that is Joe Biden did that

I mean If you think Trumps criminal history is seen as more important then putting food on your table and clothes on your back you are missing the point of the political system altogether

People don't care about tweets or loan fraud . People care about their families. They proved that yesterday

This is 100% spot on.

The democrats lost because of 2 things.

1) Harris was a terrible candidate. BUT they didn't have much choice because Biden didn't leave them much time to do much else.

2) The entire democratic campaign was about attacking Trump. Not based on policy. You can hate Trump for all the reasons under the sun, but he knows that voters want. And that is jobs and food on their tables. Thats what he ran with and that's why he won.

 

[QuietB]

change in spending patterns, i work for a company where our sales grew by over 50% year on year when the covid/lockdowns hit, and that only takes into account actual sales. if we had of had the stock it would have been much bigger.
we are a higher end consumer good, people had extra money in their pocket as they couldnt spend it on going out and day-to-day stuff. so rather than buying a cheap home good, they brought ours.
this spike wasnt local it was global, and increased demand flows back onto the various supply chains and therefore causes increased prices and the passing onto the consumer of those price increases. .

also businesses saw everyone else increase their prices and through heres a good excuse to bump up prices and blame it on the "cost of living crisis"

people will have to realise that we will have to eat shit for a while, chose where we spend out dollars, and that will balance out the inflation and price rises. pre-covid was a different world and we have to accept the changes.

And where did the money come from for those “change in spending pattens”?

You cannot simply start spending more money unless you have more money to spend.

During CoVid western governments all handed out billions - most of it completely not targeted and completely unregulated. And people spent it. It caused a massive property boom - I’d like to hear an argument on how the war in Ukraine caused a property boom

Trump created the inflation you are riling against.

Rudd gets mercilessly criticised over his GFC spending. Guess what? He managed to do that without causing massive inflation. How? Why?

 

[Todman]

I agree with page one but page two is nothing but diatribe.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

There are similar scenes in every state I believe.

Rent prices and availability are the cause of much homelessness.

Addiction and mental health cause the rest.

There isn't much evidence against this.

You are about spot on. And the political response has been inept. They (Newsom) have spent tens of billions of dollars trying to address the issue, but the homeless population continues to grow.

 

[faible]

but where used correctly tariffs "encourage" consumer to purchase the locally made product and there keep the money in the country creating jobs etc.

Trump wants to gut unions, Elon wants to gut unions. I assume they'll argue tariffs are good, because it'll bring manufacturing back to the US, where without unions people can be paid a wage below the poverty line like they are in the service industry.