Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

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The race is run, the winner declared!

For further discussion of the election:

USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

I will be keen to watch the handover on J6 I think, Will the Bidens attend unlike Trump? Will the crowd be the biggest in history, Will there be a magical Mystery victory tour and rallies like 2016, Will he reduce his golf games and stop heading North in the Summer or home to Fl in the winter...

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For discussion of the incoming president:

Play Nice - 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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For discussion of the losing candidate:

USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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Enjoy, all!

 

[Forward Press]

What are they telling them to do and think?

The perception that they are out of touch with issues that affect real working Americans, like the cost of living and job security, and that they are being lectured about with trans issues and abortion bans.

Note I said perception, which is more important than the actual reality.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Pies take from the 2016 election. So, what did American politics learn?

Could replace American Politics with The Democrats and it would still be valid.

 

[Chief]

The perception that they are out of touch with issues that affect real working Americans, like the cost of living and job security, and that they are being lectured about with trans issues and abortion bans.

Note I said perception, which is more important than the actual reality.

What happens if the cost of living and job security starts looking good?

Trump starts ranting about trans kids, public toilets, and abortions, sucking the air out of the room for good economic news.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Correct, that isn't changing overnight. Not sure why that is so hard for our lefties to understand.

You are aware that I am leftie right?

 

[Todman]

The Lord's Prayer has specific relevance to the Government of Australia, and Christianity to the formation of the nation.
Look, I agree with you for the most part - I'd find it tedious to be sitting through a reading of the Lord's Prayer if I were to be sitting in Parliament as well.

Would you find it tedious to sit through a "Welcome to Country" ceremony?

 

[bourbons]

wot

You were looking forward to the melts a Trump win would bring.

As the poster I quoted notes, the thread has been a dissection of his victory with mostly reasoned discussion with not a melt in sight (although I have missed a few pages, 200 in 2 days wowee).

 

[faible]

I know, but I find it quite difficult to combat the ignorance on display in threads like this with anything remotely resembling succinctness.
Having a go at someone for dismissing Judaism (again, in particular) as a "rip off" of earlier religions is quite reasonable, I think. It's just silly, and disrespectful. Judaism is one of the oldest "live" religions in existence.

So Christianity was a rip-off of Judaism, which itself was a rip-off of older religions, is an accurate statement.

 

[burge13]

You were looking forward to the melts a Trump win would bring.

As the poster I quoted notes, the thread has been a dissection of his victory with mostly reasoned discussion with not a melt in sight (although I have missed a few pages, 200 in 2 days wowee).

There has been some truly deranged shit posted in here, it hasn't been 'mostly reasoned' at all

One idiot thinks they'll ease rape laws
People claiming they've cut out friends and family over it
It's been less unhinged than I thought but there are still some very, very strong melts. Selective viewing to suggest otherwise

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The perception that they are out of touch with issues that affect real working Americans, like the cost of living and job security, and that they are being lectured about with trans issues and abortion bans.

Note I said perception, which is more important than the actual reality.

Post covid inflation is hitting a lot of incumbent governments.

It might have been in the democratic party best intrest to lose in 2020 and get trump to be with the post covid economy.

 

[Cyber_punk]

This is what frustrates me - 'talking down' to the average voter does not work. You make a case to them as to why a progressive cause is worth their vote, you don't tell them to vote for the progressive cause because they are uneducated simpletons. It's a big reason why the Voice failed.

Yeah, you have to be very careful about how you frame it. The ideas they can be receptive to, but once you mentioned certain names or terms it triggers a part of their brain into tribal mode.

Lost count the amount of time I have had the following types of discussion with Americans:

Me: What do you think of Obamacare?
Them: Socialist crap, doesn't work, it's terrible. I'm not paying someone else's health bills!
Me: What do you think of the Affordable Care Act?
Them: Oh yeah, we should protect it, it's ridiculous I have to go bankrupt and pay xx for being sick!

 

[T2B_]

For those who think it is a race thing, I would ask:

How did Kamala go in the Democratic primary for the 2020 race? Were all the Dems racist then? Any chance that she just isn't that good?

Anyway - I hope Elon helps to cut the bureaucracy and cuts hard. We could do with a lot of that here.

Apart from that, I don't care much at all.

Did everyone forget America had a full term black president in Obama or am I missing something?

 

[Tadpole]

Wouldn't make a difference if he was.

As others have said, the Democrat party would legit prefer 4 years of Trump than a genuine progressive.

Sadly true. The US is so far down the toilet, they may never be able to drag themselves out again.

 

[bourbons]

Kamala's policies/vision were absolutely clear as day to anyone with at least average critical faculties & /or attention span. Perhaps the issue was their inability to clearly communicate these to those without. The bro aspect was probably a superficial dent in the vote but, for mine, it symbolises a lot of what Trump got right.

Yep. This "no policies" thing is genuinely perplexing, like just go to their respective websites and tell me with a straight face Harris lost due to lack of policies

 

[Episode IV]

Well if he’s anti war he wouldn’t continue to provide more and more money to military spending (like he did in his first term).

Both parties are terrible when it comes for foreign policy, meddling in other countries etc. it’s definitely an area where there is barely any daylight between the 2 parties.

Military spending did rise a little during Trump's first term, but when viewed as a percentage of GDP, the data presents a different picture.

From a historical low in the early 2000's, US military spending as a percentage of GDP rose significantly until the late aughts, dropped again around 2015 and saw a small rise again around 2016 onward before dropping again recently.

Saying Trump was spending "more and more" on military spending is not really true. It rose a little during his first term as President, but not significantly by comparison with earlier decades.
It is true that in recent decades, Republican spending on the military has been higher than Democrat (Obama's term saw a significant drop) but Trump himself has not increased it nearly as much as most Republicans have.
It's also something to be considered within the context of global relations, as well. The drop from mid 80's to 2000 can be explained as a lack of enemies - the fall of the Soviet Union etc. The Rise of China (militarily) coincided largely with the early part of the 21st century, so up it went again.
Lots of different reasons for changes in military spending, and it has less to do with personal attitudes on behalf of the President and more to do with what's going on at the time. Although an argument could be entered into as to how much the respective parties foster global discontent resulting in change.
Mostly, it has to do with an enemy seen as a "Clear and Present Danger".


From the World Bank website (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?end=2022&locations=US&start=1960&view=chart).

 

[Episode IV]

So Christianity was a rip-off of Judaism, which itself was a rip-off of older religions, is an accurate statement.

Hyperbolic crap, is what it is.

 

[Taylor]

Military spending did rise a little during Trump's first term, but when viewed as a percentage of GDP, the data presents a different picture.

From a historical low in the early 2000's, US military spending as a percentage of GDP rose significantly until the late aughts, dropped again around 2015 and saw a small rise again around 2016 onward before dropping again recently.

Saying Trump was spending "more and more" on military spending is not really true. It rose a little during his first term as President, but not significantly by comparison with earlier decades.
It is true that in recent decades, Republican spending on the military has been higher than Democrat (Obama's term saw a significant drop) but Trump himself has not increased it nearly as much as most Republicans have.
It's also something to be considered within the context of global relations, as well. The drop from mid 80's to 2000 can be explained as a lack of enemies - the fall of the Soviet Union etc. The Rise of China (militarily) coincided largely with the early part of the 21st century, so up it went again.
Lots of different reasons for changes in military spending, and it has less to do with personal attitudes on behalf of the President and more to do with what's going on at the time. Although an argument could be entered into as to how much the respective parties foster global discontent resulting in change.
Mostly, it has to do with an enemy seen as a "Clear and Present Danger".


From the World Bank website (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?end=2022&locations=US&start=1960&view=chart).

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Do we consider the tens of billions "given to Ukraine" by way of directly buying product from US war manufacturing a part of US military spending?

 

[black is White]

Celebrity endorsements are cringeworthy and didn’t move the needle at all for Harris.


What evidence do you have that Biden has dementia?

That’s extremely stigmatizing to actual dementia sufferers and their families.

Plenty of neurosurgeons have come out questioning it and he has 2 brain aneurysms that would likely in his later years cause dementia. I grew up around nursing homes as my mum was a single mother nurse who looked after these patients and everyone i have talked to in the nursing community believe he shows majority of the signs and I'm talking people I can't mention Trump to because they hate him.

Joe Biden may be suffering due to Vascular Dementia and not Parkinson’s, according to this expert Neurologist

In a TV interaction, Dr Russell Surasky said that President Biden may be suffering from a condition called Vascular Dementia. He said that there are no symptoms associated with Parkinsons disease that are visible in Biden.

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There's many more just google it, having trouble doing multiple links. Remember the presidential documents scandal when they raided Trump's house and they found Biden was also guilty having presidential records as a vice president. They ruled who wasn't mentally stable enough to face prosecution. That enough should be enough evidence. Of course the democrats denied it but allowed him to get away with it they aren't just going to come out and say Joe has been in decline for years are they.

 

[faible]

Hyperbolic crap, is what it is.

It's true. You think 'thou shalt not kill' was a new thing that had never been thought of before the Ten Commandments?

I'm amazed all these non-Abrahamic religion people ever survived.

 

[2 eazy]

Impeached Twice
Tried a coup on USA by trying to overturn 2020 election
Supporters starred insurrection on this issue government
Escaped death by inches
Convicted felon
Got smoked in a debate
Hated by almost every athlete singer actor tv show host journalist
Offended many races and people
Yet wins presidency empathetically hard to wrap my head around it
He pulled of one of the greatest accomplishments all things considered

 

[Vassp]

You are aware that I am leftie right?

I can still agree on some points cant I?

 

[Episode IV]

Do we consider the tens of billions "given to Ukraine" by way of directly buying product from US war manufacturing a part of US military spending?

Ah, but that's "different" isn't it

Much the same if Australia were to count Aid given to Ukraine as "military spending"... as far as I'm aware, we don't.

Good point.

 

[bourbons]

The perception that they are out of touch with issues that affect real working Americans, like the cost of living and job security

Historically low unemployment figures and better curbing of inflation than any other G7 country.

But people just see their eggs and petrol as more expensive than they were 4 years ago and vote accordingly, I'm not sure what they can really do there - before he dropped out Biden was having a crack at explaining how well the economy was actually going and was roundly condemned for it, tone deaf etc. No win situation, Trump was always gonna go close but the size of his win is more about timing than anything else imo.

and that they are being lectured about with trans issues and abortion bans.

Hmm. Asking people to recognise trans people's right to exist falls a long way short of telling them what to think I reckon. The average US conservatives attitude towards them is pretty off.

Note I said perception, which is more important than the actual reality.

Definitely, I'd argue even moreso in US politics than elsewhere too.

 

[TheSunGod]

There has been some truly deranged shit posted in here, it hasn't been 'mostly reasoned' at all

One idiot thinks they'll ease rape laws
People claiming they've cut out friends and family over it
It's been less unhinged than I thought but there are still some very, very strong melts. Selective viewing to suggest otherwise

Trump still has the best melts…

 

[my name was taken]

Did everyone forget America had a full term black president in Obama or am I missing something?

The way I see it, they were losing with Biden, an old white dude and apparently when his VP becomes the candidate with the same policies and has been involved in the administration, that should have changed people's minds because she is a woman and black.

They lost IMO for alienating voters and their primary concerns. And it appeared looking from the outside of the US, that they campaigned to their own voters with 'us vs them so please vote' rhetoric. Not going to win many struggling swing voters with the words racist, mysoginist and the array of 'phobics' etc.

 

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