Bigman’s Training Reports

[Mostyn]

It does if you think it thru

Lol, no it doesn't.

 

[Mutineer]

Bigman's training reports are par excellence so how about we all stop filling his thread with everything but that hey.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Bigman's training reports are par excellence so how about we all stop filling his thread with everything but that hey.

It was much cleaner when it was my thread, those who have me on ignore have ruined it

 

[dogs105]

It was much cleaner when it was my thread, those who have me on ignore have ruined it

I was wondering why I couldn't see it

 

[Slime Roy]

Is there a stat for "fumbles" anywhere.
I think Berry's fumble numbers are grossly over rated by many on here.

 

[Slime Roy]

Is there a stat for "fumbles" anywhere.
I think Berry's fumble numbers are grossly over rated by many on here.

To Keep it "on topic" what has Bigman noticed?

 

[cmndstab]

Is there a stat for "fumbles" anywhere.
I think Berry's fumble numbers are grossly over rated by many on here.

With Berry, it's not so much fumbles as is it a failure to cleanly take the ball when there is an opportunity to do so.

Last season, it seemed like every time he had a chance to take a clean ball and do something positive with it, he didn't take it, and the lost second or two allowed an opposition players to come in and contest.

 

[Slime Roy]

With Berry, it's not so much fumbles as is it a failure to cleanly take the ball when there is an opportunity to do so.

Last season, it seemed like every time he had a chance to take a clean ball and do something positive with it, he didn't take it, and the lost second or two allowed an opposition players to come in and contest.

I think it was more, one or two games that people put under the microscope. I don't feel like it was a trend across the entire season (or his career) possibly just a rough patch, and one he should be afforded a chance to rectify.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

There’s no such thing as clearance rate per minute

Yes there is if you calculate it

Take the amount of clearances and divide it by his TOG , he plays midfield the whole time he’s on ground

Need to remember that he’s normally in our lowest 2-3 TOG as he rotates between bench and mid after starting on bench and doesn’t play anywhere else generally

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Thanks... Dawson is still the player we want the likes of Couch to feed.

Remember the 2nd showdown in 2023 when Matt was recalled

He basically fed Dawson all game who dominated

Matt can play if he’s got some different types around him like Dawson , Soligo , Rankine , Peatling

I’m still starting him on bench and using him in that 70% TOG role where he comes on and off and gives full energy , if his form was to drop or he starts being ineffective with possession he gets dropped just like anyone else

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think it was more, one or two games that people put under the microscope. I don't feel like it was a trend across the entire season (or his career) possibly just a rough patch, and one he should be afforded a chance to rectify.

It was interesting last year with Berry as his ball take was one of best parts to his game in his first afl season

Also remember Ogilvie talking about him being clean ball handler re ground balls when they recruited him

I think he lost confidence with his ball take last year , interesting to see whether he gets it back

 

[Big Dub]

1970 raises an excellent point

If you are assigned the primary clearance role in particular you should be well ahead.

I can’t see them asking Dawson to perform the same inside role as Crouch, that makes no sense.

Wheelo stats also shows Jones is an absolute beast for cc/cba - 100% in 2023 and 2024.
Dowling went at 20 last year, while Solio was doing 17s in 2023.

Small samples I know so it can be misleading, or indicative of potential.

However both Berry and Schoenberg were out performing Crouch in 2022 so role and opportunity can make a big difference.

I think playing wing (or offensive hald back) might account for a bit of this, as it allows the opportunity for a centre clearance without attending a centre bounce (although Jones is actually pretty good at centre clearances when played on ball).

 

[cmndstab]

I think it was more, one or two games that people put under the microscope. I don't feel like it was a trend across the entire season (or his career) possibly just a rough patch, and one he should be afforded a chance to rectify.

Certainly not across his career, but it was a consistent issue last season.

He played every game from round 11 onwards, so he's had plenty of chances. And then we brought in a player in Peatling who is perfectly suited to play the role we've had Berry in. I would say the odds of Berry being a regular from this point onwards are less likely than him not.

If Berry does earn another shot, good luck to him. I really liked him in his first couple of seasons.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yes there is if you calculate it

Take the amount of clearances and divide it by his TOG , he plays midfield the whole time he’s on ground

Need to remember that he’s normally in our lowest 2-3 TOG as he rotates between bench and mid after starting on bench and doesn’t play anywhere else generally

Jeff, IF the stat had any value ...the AFL Clubs would be requesting the info ...they measure everything

What people forget with CBA stats, are the various Midfield roles .....who gets the clearance stat, if Crouch gets first touch, and handballs 1 mtr to Rankine who drills it to Tex ?

Using that stat as a measurement of a player's worth .....well good luck ....the unfortunate tagger / blocker gets no credit (GWS McMullin )

 

[WaynesWorld19]

With Berry, it's not so much fumbles as is it a failure to cleanly take the ball when there is an opportunity to do so.

Fumbles ....two grabbing .....misplacing the ball ....you can dress it up anyway you want, the repercussions remain the same

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Jeff, IF the stat had any value ...the AFL Clubs would be requesting the info ...they measure everything

What people forget with CBA stats, are the various Midfield roles .....who gets the clearance stat, if Crouch gets first touch, and handballs 1 mtr to Rankine who drills it to Tex ?

Using that stat as a measurement of a player's worth .....well good luck ....the unfortunate tagger / blocker gets no credit (GWS McMullin )

The most relevant stat is % of clearances per contest attended.

Now can we leave this thread for the great man's reports.

 

[Mutineer]

The most relevant stat is % of clearances per contest attended.

Now can we leave this thread for the great man's reports.

So say the all of us.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Is there a stat for "fumbles" anywhere.
I think Berry's fumble numbers are grossly over rated by many on here.

He had a 4 week stretch when out of nowhere he morphed into Phil Tufnell

I can't remember it being an issue prior to that. Was very strange. It was as though he was playing with a broken finger or something

 

[BRL121]

He had a 4 week stretch when out of nowhere he morphed into Phil Tufnell

I can't remember it being an issue prior to that. Was very strange. It was as though he was playing with a broken finger or something

This is right. It's a recent thing. In SANFL the previous year, he had a completely different problem: thinking he was fast enough to burst into the open and run with the ball. He was strong enough on occasion, but he generally got run down and tackled.

 

[Tex Danger]

Jeff, IF the stat had any value ...the AFL Clubs would be requesting the info ...they measure everything

What people forget with CBA stats, are the various Midfield roles .....who gets the clearance stat, if Crouch gets first touch, and handballs 1 mtr to Rankine who drills it to Tex ?

Using that stat as a measurement of a player's worth .....well good luck ....the unfortunate tagger / blocker gets no credit (GWS McMullin )

Crouch does

 

[Crow till I die]

It’s the negativity that comes with mature players coming back from injury ….. there is an ageism bias amongst supporters

Milera is highly talented ….. i just don’t get either, that people just can’t see the difference he makes to the side

Its just a shame he is made of glass...its ruined his career as he has never really had a long clean run at it

 

[Eric The Red]

That’s like comparing Dawsons role to Rankine’s role

Maybe compare Crouch to Peatling

Yes. That is the very point I was trying to make as a response to the other post.

 

[Eric The Red]

TBH I don't disagree that Crouch will always be a superior in and under player. Its his best asset. However I don't feel like the AFL coaches are searching for that exclusive role anymore. And certainly don't seem to be seeking it as a trait in the free agency/trade markets.

I think Curtin taking Crouch's minutes would not be because he is a like for like replacement. But because he can do enough of the big bodied mid role to be effective, but still be far more dangerous in the air, with the ball in his hands, and kicking into F50 or at goal. It the evolution of the role, not the replacement.

I do get that. Am just not sure if, without a Crouch type, we have enough inside grunt to get the pill often enough for Curtin to shine in such a role.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Is there a stat for "fumbles" anywhere.
I think Berry's fumble numbers are grossly over rated by many on here.

i dont know it was really noticeable at times. I like him as a player though and too many looked to have jumped off him too quickly

 

[Eric The Red]

Reckon as per being a coaches favourite he might be, but Nank is going to be more reliable with his body and has more years left.

I doubt Milera will feature round 1. He’ll probably get eased in via a SANFL stint to build up match hardness and not expose him to AFL rigours too early. That should see Nank cement his spot with good performances. Is there anybody else that might slide out of the team and open a spot for Milera?