News Ollie Greaves possible NGA 2025 - AFL secret formula says no

[VandoHawk]

What’s the go with NGA rules now? A year or two ago wasn’t it you could only match a bid for a player outside 40?

Yup.

Clubs complained about Jamarra being taken Pick 1 in 2020 draft. So in 2021 they reduced it to matched bids after pick 20.

Then in 2022 they reduced it to matched bids after pick 40.

However, in the 2023 draft, Gold Coast received 4 first round academy players - Walter (3), Read (9), Rogers (14) and Graham (26). Clubs complained that Northern academies were becoming far too large an advantage, especially considering Brisbane had also just picked up Fletcher at 12 after Ashcroft.

Rather than addressing the issue, the AFL just opened up NGA rules in 2024 so bids could be matched anywhere again. That's why Essendon were able to get Kako.

We may be the beneficiary here but it's still a broken system that requires addressing.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

In that time North missed out on Sanders, Melbourne missed out on Mac Andrew and StKilda missed out on our Cam.

It's a shambles but the afl will do the bare minimum to satisfy 14 clubs while refusing to mess with the advantages for 4.

GC and Sydney have some good prospects this year, surely they can't change it back again because we might benefit.... surely

Unfortunately, the tribal nature of our game and the obssession with the right now, means that if the afl do screw us, not many other clubs will push back.

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[smeltitdeltit]

Yup.

Clubs complained about Jamarra being taken Pick 1 in 2020 draft. So in 2021 they reduced it to matched bids after pick 20.

Then in 2022 they reduced it to matched bids after pick 40.

However, in the 2023 draft, Gold Coast received 4 first round academy players - Walter (3), Read (9), Rogers (14) and Graham (26). Clubs complained that Northern academies were becoming far too large an advantage, especially considering Brisbane had also just picked up Fletcher at 12 after Ashcroft.

Rather than addressing the issue, the AFL just opened up NGA rules in 2024 so bids could be matched anywhere again. That's why Essendon were able to get Kako.

We may be the beneficiary here but it's still a broken system that requires addressing.

Thanks.
Yes we’ll lose more than we gain with the current setup.

Same points discount as the Northern academy’s or father son?

 

[Dewnior]

The AFL have a history of allowing clubs to benefit from / rort a rule and then close the loophole the year after. If that changes and they act in season it's a good indication it's because they don't want the Hawks to benefit. Time will tell.

 

[Brant]

Would need to find a lot of points to match a likely top 5 bid. Would certainly make trading for Harley this year a lot more challenging.

Dear Harley,

We regret to inform you that the position of Gun Midfielder has been filled. We appreciate your interest in Hawthorn & will retain your application on file, in case similar positions open in the near future.

Regards,
Sleepy Marc

 

[extractasam]

This will totally blow up the NGA system if we pull this off.

Fair enough as well as personally I hate all the academies and other rorts than make our draft the most compromised in world sport.

The fact that the AFL gets to decide which specific cultural backgrounds qualifies for NGA status is pretty problematic when you think about it for a second.

Still we may as well get in one big ass rort ourselves before it all gets dismantled

Agree. I love that we’re a chance to benefit greatly from it don’t get me wrong, but why on earth should we (or any other club) be getting a top 5 pick for literally nothing. The NGA system is cooked out of its mind for me.

What actually would we have contributed to his development if he is added now? Is it even an academy or just a luck system

 

[Dewnior]

Agree. I love that we’re a chance to benefit greatly from it don’t get me wrong, but why on earth should we (or any other club) be getting a top 5 pick for literally nothing. The NGA system is cooked out of its mind for me.

What actually would we have contributed to his development if he is added now? Is it even an academy or just a luck system

Firstly, it's not for literally nothing it's for draft points with a discount (that I absolutely oppose).

Secondly, Brisbane literally got two top 5 picks under the same (f/s) draft point rules in less than 24 months.

You either remove for all or keep for all. Not this half pregnant bs manipulation that the AFL is expert at.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Firstly, it's not for literally nothing it's for draft points with a discount (that I absolutely oppose).

Secondly, Brisbane literally got two top 5 picks under the same draft point rules.

You either remove for all or keep for all. Not this half pregnant bs manipulation that the AFL is expert at.

AFL live in the half pregnant weeds. The arbiters of "equality"

 

[kazzooka]

It will be a PR nightmare for the AFL.

I imagine the NGA academy was set up for players from disadvantaged backgrounds (say Indigenous players from remote communities) getting a hand to make it.

What we have here is a gun kid from the suburbs in Melbourne going to a highly successful and wealthy club in Hawks.

The other clubs will go ballistic of we pull this off which I can't see us not going by the way the rules are written (it doesn't state what percentage Indigenous you need to be in the rules).

To be indigenous I'd say it's the same requirement as government recognition.

1. Have aboriginal or Torres strait Island ancestory

2. Identify as indigenous

3. be recognised by community.

I am white passing with aboriginal heritage like Anderson and Greeves and there was no problem with me being considered aboriginal under that criteria.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

To be indigenous I'd say it's the same requirement as government recognition.

1. Have aboriginal or Torres strait Island ancestory

2. Identify as indigenous

3. be recognised by community.

I am white passing with aboriginal heritage like Anderson and Greeves and there was no problem with me being considered aboriginal under that criteria.

Then there is no problem.

But if the AFL decide it isn't...will be very interesting

 

[HawksILove]

When will we know the decision if he is ours

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

When will we know the decision if he is ours

I'd say the day before the draft

 

[DogDaySonny]

 

[extractasam]

Firstly, it's not for literally nothing it's for draft points with a discount (that I absolutely oppose).

Secondly, Brisbane literally got two top 5 picks under the same (f/s) draft point rules in less than 24 months.

You either remove for all or keep for all. Not this half pregnant bs manipulation that the AFL is expert at.

With the way you can match for garbage picks though it generally feels like nothing.

Just go and look at Gold Coasts net gain/loss over the last 3 draft period and tell me how they can possibly afford what they have with what they’ve given up (they also have 3 first rounders next year). Have brought in Rioli and Noble for massive overs at the draft table while also getting 3 (?) academy players last season and still somehow manage to hold 3 firsts at the table next year.

Absolutely taking what we can based on what other clubs have done but I’d be bleeding if I was any other vic or interstate club right now

 

[TylerDurden]

My gut just tells me I can't see it happening. We RARELY get these free hits.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

To be indigenous I'd say it's the same requirement as government recognition.

1. Have aboriginal or Torres strait Island ancestory

2. Identify as indigenous

3. be recognised by community.

I am white passing with aboriginal heritage like Anderson and Greeves and there was no problem with me being considered aboriginal under that criteria.

Is it any of the three points or all three?

I’d assume you couldn’t just identify as indigenous without having any indigenous ancestry.

Its an interesting question about how you define your genetic heritage. In America for instance they have rules around blood requirements to be part of a specific Native American tribe.

Most of the tribes (Navajo, etc) require either a 25 percent (one grandparent) or 12.5 percent (one great grandparent) to be considered part of their tribe.

Some tribes even require as high as 50 percent (one parent).

The blood percentage is not the only requirement though, they also need to be part of the community / live on the land with the tribe, etc (similar to your 3rd point above).

Also the US Federal government requires that you meet a certain minimum genetic requirement before granting specific Native American federal benefits (25 percent).

 

[eldorado]

Usually, the only thing that qualifies you as being Aboriginal, is being Aboriginal.

[Jonanthon Brown] Trust the Hawks to exploit this obvious loophole! [/Jonathon Brown]

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Agree. I love that we’re a chance to benefit greatly from it don’t get me wrong, but why on earth should we (or any other club) be getting a top 5 pick for literally nothing. The NGA system is cooked out of its mind for me.

What actually would we have contributed to his development if he is added now? Is it even an academy or just a luck system

It’s completely cooked.

We have done sweet FA to help this kid, it’s just pure luck that he’s in our zone and we will get him for (essentially) nothing (the point system is easily manipulated by loading up on rubbish late picks that no one uses/wants anyway).

The under 18s footy environment is already there and functioning, there is literally no need for a NGA/Academy.

 

[MasterSamurai]

İf Ollie qualifies under the current NGA rules then I can't see the AFL blocking our request . The rules can't be for one and not the other. And he isn't a free hit either , will cost in draft assets to get him. Can't wait to have him in our colours.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

This would be amazing. Surely the AFL can't rob us of Moraes, Tarau and Greaves?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Agree. I love that we’re a chance to benefit greatly from it don’t get me wrong, but why on earth should we (or any other club) be getting a top 5 pick for literally nothing. The NGA system is cooked out of its mind for me.

What actually would we have contributed to his development if he is added now? Is it even an academy or just a luck system

It won't be literally nothing, it may well cost us Carlton's first pick in the end.

 

[HawthornHawk]

I don't see the AFL blocking his eligibility as being the issue but rather their tendency to change this system on a whim mid year. We could easily end up only being able to bid from pick 20 if they choose to go down that path.

 

[I got the outside word]

My gut just tells me I can't see it happening. We RARELY get these free hits.

But we may be making them money now with Hokball and Hollywood. The missing ingredient?

 

[Brant]

My gut just tells me I can't see it happening. We RARELY get these free hits.

I feel the same.

I can't see how they (AFL) can possibly get out of it, but I also see that they've got 9x months to invent reasons...

 

[tl92]

Pretty simple. He'll have aboriginal heritage. I don't think it's a good idea for people to be demanding the family tree. Questioning whether Aboriginal people are black enough is bad form (not saying this is where you're going but it's inevitable in this country, unfortunately). Lots of people taken away from families, attempted to be bred out of existence. Aboriginal nations being pretty broad and welcoming of people who have aboriginal heritage is partly a response to that.

I totally agree. More just interested as it feels the only way the afl will possibly decline it is if they deem it to be too distant.