News Ollie Greaves possible NGA 2025 - AFL secret formula says no

[smeltitdeltit]

with the 2025 crop already stacked with prospects tied to Academies.

This says it all really. They’ve created a millstone around the draft

 

[The Chad and I]

Beautiful mover, ball handling, solid kick.
He def passes the eye test.

 

[MazHawk]

Will be interesting to watch this develop.

By current ruling he's definitely ours and on current form he's a top-five (at least) prospect.

 

[matey]

Beautiful mover, ball handling, solid kick.
He def passes the eye test.

Good awareness and quality decision maker ……. midfield stacked already!

 

[Simon Crawshay]

This says it all really. They’ve created a millstone around the draft

Let's face it, next year's draft will be the most compromised draft ever.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

All this talk of draft and race makes me think of this classic Dave Chappelle bit

 

[offtherails9]

I don't think we'll get him, absolutely no chance for mine. Would be very surprised.
If he isn't already part of our NGA they're not going to allow him to join now just so we can draft him for free. We needed to add him at least 12 months ago.

 

[Sixpence]

I don't think we'll get him, absolutely no chance for mine. Would be very surprised.
If he isn't already part of our NGA they're not going to allow him to join now just so we can draft him for free. We needed to add him at least 12 months ago.

No chance? He literally meets the criteria.

 

[hr_23]

Could be some interesting trade pick horse trading by the Hawks this year to somehow keep that Carlton first pick but at the same time get plenty of mid/late picks for the Greaves pick bid.

Possibly trading out some of our fringe players to get the draft capital we need?

Its definitely doable to keep the Blues first pick and yet get Ollie as well with some creative accounting I would think.

CarlTank would realistically have to finish bottom 3 for us to even remotely be able to keep that pick with this lad projected to be a top 5 pick if the bid comes in before the pick you hold it goes into the points required to match the bid

 

[Simon Crawshay]

CarlTank would realistically have to finish bottom 3 for us to even remotely be able to keep that pick with this lad projected to be a top 5 pick if the bid comes in before the pick you hold it goes into the points required to match the bid

Ah so you can't just bundle a whole bunch of say, picks in the thirties, to make the points?

You are forced to use your first available pick that is closest to the pick the player has been chosen at?

That's a pity.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Mind you we still get a good deal if Carlton's pick is say around pick 12 (will be around this) and we can snag a top 5 player with that pick and a pick in the late twenties/early thirties.

 

[TDS7]

Pretty simple. He'll have aboriginal heritage. I don't think it's a good idea for people to be demanding the family tree. Questioning whether Aboriginal people are black enough is bad form (not saying this is where you're going but it's inevitable in this country, unfortunately). Lots of people taken away from families, attempted to be bred out of existence. Aboriginal nations being pretty broad and welcoming of people who have aboriginal heritage is partly a response to that.

I reckon I can speak to this pretty well. My grandmother is indigenous, part of the stolen generation. She was taken and "picked" by my great grand parents because she was white-passing, and was only told of her heritage when my great grandfather was dying. My mother, who is half indigenous, has naturally blonde hair and blue eyes, as do my siblings. We don't know where in Australia she was taken from, who our family is, and what culture will accept us. My grandmother was raised to look down upon indigenous people, and she still hasn't really reconciled her identity and who she is even as she approaches 90. But if she wasn't stolen away and was raised in her culture there's every chance people would still look at her as white, as they do my mum, myself, and my siblings. And if she was born a bit later, she might have been in an NGA with people saying she's too white for her to count.

 

[offtherails9]

No chance? He literally meets the criteria.

The first part of the criteria is that he is and has been a part of our NGA program, which he hasn't seemed to be. So I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Sixpence]

The first part of the criteria is that he is and has been a part of our NGA program, which he hasn't seemed to be. So I'm not sure what you mean.

The application is for him to be part of our NGA program.

 

[MadDawg]

That there is so much confusion about something that should be clear is why AFL House and all their secret spices are so amateurishish.

Pretty sure Cam McKenzie qualified as a Saints NGA simply because his family had a holiday in France.

 

[grumbleguts]

To be indigenous I'd say it's the same requirement as government recognition.

1. Have aboriginal or Torres strait Island ancestory

2. Identify as indigenous

3. be recognised by community.

I am white passing with aboriginal heritage like Anderson and Greeves and there was no problem with me being considered aboriginal under that criteria.

Same with me. The only time I ever "use" it is to help with statistics. When I won the university medal I ticked the box, when I was awarded the PhD I ticked the box. Such is the travesty in this country that mine was the 19th PhD in Australia awarded to someone with any indigenous link, and the first outside of the field of indigenous studies. But We didn't even know of the heritage until I was in my 20s.

 

[grumbleguts]

Beautiful mover, ball handling, solid kick.
He def passes the eye test.

He'll fit in perfectly at Hawthorn, gave off a handball and got called for throwing it.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

The frustrating thing for many of us Aboriginals is that we do have to ‘qualify’ as Aboriginals and we do have to continuously prove who we are. Not many people have to continuously prove their identity of where they come from. Asking an Aboriginal what percentage Aboriginal you are or are whether you are half or quarter Aboriginal can be highly offensive especially to us of the Stolen Generation. Many of our mobs have lost our traditional Aboriginal look for reasons you really don’t want to know about. An Aboriginal is an Aboriginal, that’s the way I see it. You know if you are or not. It is what is inside that counts, not the look on the outside.

What's especially maddening is the bleating Anglo folk who will have a cry about someone not 'looking' Aboriginal or Indigenous but will then be the type that do an Ancestry DNA test and boast about how they are 31% Swedish or be the 4th/5th generation European immigrants who still act as though they were born and bred in Italy or Greece when a World Cup is on. Nobody is going to say to them 'but you can't be Italian because you don't make your own pasta?' or 'well you don't look like Effie so how can you be Greek?'. I have olive skin and very dark features and don't 'look' remotely Scottish - but nobody ever doubts me when I tell them I'm half Scottish.

 

[kazzooka]

I don't think we'll get him, absolutely no chance for mine. Would be very surprised.
If he isn't already part of our NGA they're not going to allow him to join now just so we can draft him for free. We needed to add him at least 12 months ago.

How so? Cody Anderson was only added late. IF he is in the zone and meets the criteria it's no different to JUH, Mackenzie, Kako or Jiath. NGAs aren't actually academies, they are just lists of eligible players.

But it does sound like we've already had him down at training and worked with him. And if we are applying for it, that means 1. he must be eligible. 2. He wants to go to hawthorn as NGA 3. We want him at Hawthorn.

If it doesn't happen then the AFL have screwed us over with a rule change. Just like we missed on Tew Jiath or saints on Cam Mackenzie but dogs didn't miss on JUH a few years earlier.

 

[kazzooka]

That there is so much confusion about something that should be clear is why AFL House and all their secret spices are so amateurishish.

Pretty sure Cam McKenzie qualified as a Saints NGA simply because his family had a holiday in France.

Cam's parents are from South Africa and Canada and He was born in London. Nothing to do with him going to France at 12.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Cam's parents are from South Africa and Canadia and He was born in London. Nothing to do with him going to France at 12.

I think MD was just having a tongue in cheek stab at the chronic absurdity of the AFL.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Cam's parents are from South Africa and Canada and He was born in London. Nothing to do with him going to France at 12.

Cam qualified because his parents were from the African continent

 

[Dewnior]

Tbf, we've generally been so unlucky with acquiring father-sons and NGA prospects in the past.

We're OVERDUE at least one top prospect.

 

[matey]

“The Hawks have been working with Greeves over the past 12 months as part of their submission from last year.”

Sounds like we have been working on this for sometime and hoping that our staff have ticked off the requirements/boxes diligently……. to make it difficult/unreasonable for the AFL to knock it back when compared to the others they have approved.

 

[hr_23]

Ah so you can't just bundle a whole bunch of say, picks in the thirties, to make the points?

You are forced to use your first available pick that is closest to the pick the player has been chosen at?

That's a pity.

Correct,
Thats why Gold Coast always trade out of their top picks because they would get eaten up by matched bids, same as Essendon trading their first to Melbourne for a future 1st
so we could trade Carltanks pick for say 2 second rounders & a third which would go towards a point haul