Autopsy Flogged by way more composed swans, back to the bad old days.

[TheGoatBaron]

Thank **** I went to the Sex Pistols than the game. At least I had a blast.
I’m not going to bother watching or getting involved in a postmortem discussion.

Sorry to intrude, how were the Sex Pistols?

 

[Samsquanch]

I will say that first ruck free against Xerri was so farcical as to be considered suspicious.
The umpire asks Xerri to give Grundy a metre at ball up. Why X has to move, rather than. Grundy, is anyone's guess.
Following ball up 10 seconds later Grundy is clearly leaning into Xerri, who is standing up perfectly straight. Ump warns Xerri to move away twice and then penalises him.
Grundy was clearly the one encroaching on Xerri's space. So how ump decides X is at fault defies belief.
Never seen it before. Draw your own conclusion about the decision making by the ump.

"Tristan and Brodey, separate a metre now please."

"Tristan. One metre over."

"One metre over now!"

"Tristan, one metre over!"

Something unintelligible "one metre over."

"Free kick."


The umpire is going to throw the ball up. How can he make the decision that X is the player infringing and not Grundy?

After that, it appeared that the umpires couldn't have cared less if there wasn't a metre of separation between the rucks. They just threw the ball up.


Umpire #25.

 

[danj]

Yeah.

People need to realise it's not the cowboy, it's the cattle.

Our list is just no where near as good as people think.

Yeah I’m thinking we need to get rid of some players question is who LMac? Zurhar? LDU? There must be some way to work out who isn’t committing to the required expectations the higher up the list the better as we might be able to buy in some serious talent???

 

[danj]

Couldn’t bring myself to watch this, what could he possibly say other than we are pus?

 

[Marksup]

After sleeping on it and as insipid as last night was, we aren’t the first team to lose by 10 goals this year and won’t be the last. It was bad but it happens.

 

[Zondor]

After sleeping on it and as insipid as last night was, we aren’t the first team to lose by 10 goals this year and won’t be the last. It was bad but it happens.

Yes it does happen. And we have been all reminded how often it happens over the last 5 years. :stern look

 

[Only Forwards]

I will say that first ruck free against Xerri was so farcical as to be considered suspicious.
The umpire asks Xerri to give Grundy a metre at ball up. Why X has to move, rather than. Grundy, is anyone's guess.
Following ball up 10 seconds later Grundy is clearly leaning into Xerri, who is standing up perfectly straight. Ump warns Xerri to move away twice and then penalises him.
Grundy was clearly the one encroaching on Xerri's space. So how ump decides X is at fault defies belief.
Never seen it before. Draw your own conclusion about the decision making by the ump.

We should be seeking clarification from the umpires specifically about the ruck frees.

They were warm stool water all night.

 

[Uncle_Leo]

After sleeping on it and as insipid as last night was, we aren’t the first team to lose by 10 goals this year and won’t be the last. It was bad but it happens.

It happens does it?

 

[Only Forwards]

It happens does it?

With a high level of frequency where our club is concerned.

They are only as good as their last game and we have returned to the status of complete and utter shit.

 

[hcd199]

Ebbs and flows when improving will happen; sometimes you can be on the right track and still have a big loss and/or play poorly. I just don't think that's what last night was.

Every basic problem we've had over the last five years was visibly still unresolved last night - lack of a defensive plan if we lose at clearance, lack of real spread and leading from either the kick-out/rebound situation or going inside 50, half-hearted tackle efforts... that, to me, is the real worry from this game - that we aren't really seeing any of our best-23 players overcoming the limitations we know they had but hoped they'd put behind them. And when those limitations are as damning as 'picks and chooses when to apply himself', rather than 'poor by foot' or 'doesn't find enough of it' or whatever, it's a much more serious indictment - and there's a fair few who fall into the former who appeared to choose not to go too hard last night.

Didn't understand the Whitlock selection, and he was obviously not ready. Logue hardly the core problem last night but nor did he show why he was straight in over Pink. Hardeman looked decent enough once he came in and maybe starting him as the sub was the wrong option? Bailey Scott having very little influence for someone who was one of our most consistent in the drudgery of previous seasons; Stephens played one of his better games for us but too often his disposal puts us into danger, same with Daniel who seems to look at our lack of movement ahead of the play and decide he'll imagine a viable option instead and just kick it there. Forward line awful - Larkey tried to play a cheap game and was found out badly, Zurhaar likewise, didn't see a whole lot of separation found or created though the delivery was dire as well. Phillips wasn't starring across the first three weeks but our midfield group looks less accountable when he's not there - LDU and Powell are both too one-way still, which is below what we'd expect from an 8th-year and a 5th-year midfielder regardless of the value they do provide offensively. Serious doubts about how durable building the backline around keeping Comben spare is - puts a fair bit of strain on the few other genuine defenders (Corr, McDonald, etc.) we play, especially when the attacking defender types we pick around them don't have the defensive attributes needed either.

Most of the above are not new problems, and that's the most demoralising part. We have been down long enough that, if sustainable improvement is ever going to come, we should be past performances like this. The worry is that being bad begets more being bad - young players' development is compromised by being accelerated/not being able to do an apprenticeship under skilled senior players, they become the senior players and they lack the winning habits it's now their role to pass on, we overpay to keep or import players with glaring deficiencies and ingrain lower standards as a result. First three rounds this year, we showed enough to think we might finally be clawing our way out from that position - you don't have to endorse losing by 6 goals to think we gave an honest account of ourselves against Adelaide - but last night calls that sharply into question. If we can't make that a line-in-the-sand moment and never play so dismally disinterested again, then... I don't know, we stay like this forever? Certainly starting to feel like it...

 

[ohmygewd]

You could see Jy getting absolutely filthy with the boys in the last 10 mins, but then go ahead and turn it over three times in a row with a shocking kick. Jy has to lead from the front if he's going to be an effective leader. Words dont mean much when you dont execute the basics.

The problem is, Simpkin’s disposal is utter garbage, so him giving a bake for the same stuff would just amount to an extraordinary level of hypocrisy.

Oh believe me, l still don't rate Simpkin kick and disposal in the middle as 'elite' and it will never be but his workrate and competitiveness in the last 3 games has been exceptional!

There is nothing more basic than being competitive against your opponent and having the workrate to play on him, on top of him etc etc..and maybe your opponent becomes frustrated with the constant pressure you're applying, make a mistake here and mistake there and before you know it, its a 62pt loss.

Nothing about the Swans said they are vastly superior side than us but they play 4 quarter pressure football like all the top 6-8 side do!!

That 'turn' that a majority were talking was nothing more than was just this side putting the indicator to turn..when this team applies constant pressure and workrate for 4 quarters in every game that's when l believe we've 'turned' the corner.

I might sound like a pessimistic supporter really the opposite, fix this mentality and we'll win more games than we lose or at least go down fighting - Melbourne game showed us our best so far and this game showed us our worst so far and we ain't a -65 team anymore.

 

[Jimmy's Hot Dogs]

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"Tristan and Brodey, separate a metre now please."

"Tristan. One metre over."

"One metre over now!"

"Tristan, one metre over!"

Something unintelligible "one metre over."

"Free kick."


The umpire is going to throw the ball up. How can he make the decision that X is the player infringing and not Grundy?

After that, it appeared that the umpires couldn't have cared less if there wasn't a metre of separation between the rucks. They just threw the ball up.


Umpire #25.

I really wanted the ‘teacher voice’ call. Tristan and Brodie move a metre apart. I’ve got all night. This is your playtime.

 

[Cyber_punk]

People actually thought we'd win 10 games, lol.

That left me feeling as hopeless as the last 2 games last year. 6 years of beltings has left the club mentally cooked. All it takes is for the oppo to get out to a 3 goal lead and the game is over.

I'm not sure how we turn that around, the trauma and giving up has become part of our identity as a playing group now.

Club psychologists must be making a killing.

 

[Val Keating]

People actually thought we'd win 10 games, lol.

That left me feeling as hopeless as the last 2 games last year. 6 years of beltings has left the club mentally cooked. All it takes is for the oppo to get out to a 3 goal lead and the game is over.

I'm not sure how we turn that around, the trauma and giving up has become part of our identity as a playing group now.

Club psychologists must be making a killing.

Only person I’ve heard say that is Corn and he did it so he can smash us when we don’t live up to it.

 

[lockheed]

Dunno, I feel like the only the differences were the kicking, handballing, marking, team cohesion, defensive mechanism, tackling, clearances, ruck contests, 1 percenters, coaching, preparation, fitness, turnovers, running to space, clangers, blocks, shepherds, kick-outs, inside 50’s.

You've pretty much summed it up. You could some up a lot of what you said by saying that Sydney worked harder than us. Time and time again, and contest after contest, the swans outnumbered our players and won the contested ball. Then, with their so much better disposal and tactical acumen, they just tore us to shreds

 

[blackshadow]

Sorry to intrude, how were the Sex Pistols?

Awesome! Frank Carter adds a heap of energy and fun - Jones, Cook and Matlock layed it down like consumate professionals.
It was a super fun gig.
There's no way the bitter old **** Lydon could have delivered the way Frank did.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Awesome! Frank Carter adds a heap of energy and fun - Jones, Cook and Matlock layed it down like consumate professionals.
It was a super fun gig.
There's no way the bitter old **** Lydon could have delivered the way Frank did.

I’m seeing Insomnium next month, hope I don’t get COVID like I did at Dark Tranquility. I would have seen the Sex Pistols if I were living in Melbourne. Glad it was good. Where did they play?

 

[Cyber_punk]

Watching the footage in the rooms after the game and Jen Watt, Larkey and LDU all standing around smiling and having a great time.

It's all well and good to say the 'right' things for a 5 minute interview, but do they really care that much?

Can you imagine Carey, King, Pagan and co doing that after a 10 goal loss?

 

[archereleven]

A bit stiff on LDU, thought he was okay given they tried to shut him down for the entire game. I mean, not many players get tagged by Jordan and still make it out with 25 disposals, 5 tackles, 4 clearances and 3 interceptions.
Not saying he’s free from criticism, but not really the game to target him given the circumstances he had to deal with.

Not to mention, I'm sure he's being potted for being all smiles in the change rooms but he was clearly engaging with a young fella by pretending to pinch his nose.

I'm sure he won the heart of the young fan because sure as shit the teams play and loser mentality is losing dozens every week.



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[Val Keating]

Couldn’t bring myself to watch this, what could he possibly say other than we are pus?

Basically said we weren’t good enough.

 

[Val Keating]

But Clarkson should be expecting a tag on our best player. Apart from the first ten minutes, nothing was tried to minimise the impact of this tag. I don’t know if Clarkson has the tactical creativity to make - what is now a team ready to win games - able to do so.

You honestly don’t believe that the greatest coach of the modern era is capable of tactical creativity?

 

[kool kangas]

Basically said we weren’t good enough.

That's an understatement.

 

[Topparoo]

I don't understand the Whitlock selection from last night. They took a limited but serviceable big man in Pink out of the side and replaced with him with another big man when if anything we needed some run off half back. Would have been far better to have kept his debut until later in the season when we MAY have bagged a few wins, and played Hardemann off half back for the entire game. With so much on the line this early in the season , and the urgent need for wins/strong 4 quarter performances the timing of the Whitlock selection was wrong. Nothing against Whitlock it just wasn't the right time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I was a little miffed with that selection.

 

[Val Keating]

I don't understand the Whitlock selection from last night. They took a limited but serviceable big man in Pink out of the side and replaced with him with another big man when if anything we needed some run off half back. Would have been far better to have kept his debut until later in the season when we MAY have bagged a few wins, and played Hardemann off half back for the entire game. With so much on the line this early in the season , and the urgent need for wins/strong 4 quarter performances the timing of the Whitlock selection was wrong. Nothing against Whitlock it just wasn't the right time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I was a little miffed with that selection.

Agree with stiffy playing a full game, but Whitlocks form made him be picked. Pretty sure Larkey was picked for his first game because of his vfl form and iirc he didn’t get a kick and that worked out well.

Is supporters want results (rightly so), but I think the coaches still have them in development mode.

 

[archereleven]

View attachment 2274123

"Tristan and Brodey, separate a metre now please."

"Tristan. One metre over."

"One metre over now!"

"Tristan, one metre over!"

Something unintelligible "one metre over."

"Free kick."


The umpire is going to throw the ball up. How can he make the decision that X is the player infringing and not Grundy?

After that, it appeared that the umpires couldn't have cared less if there wasn't a metre of separation between the rucks. They just threw the ball up.


Umpire #25.

Don't bother yourself as the club won't even ask for clarification. It's weak as flipping piss.

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