Patrick Dangerfield - potential GOAT?

[Daka]

Danger had 6 goal assists and was winning contested balls and accelerating out of packs like everyone else was a litt kid. Had 9 clearances as well. Not only should of danger won the norm smith but it was one of the greatest individual grand final performances of the past twenty years.

Ive seen 5 geelong norm smith winners in my time. Dangers game was better than 4 of them.

You are so biased as mate, he was good but that was not even close to the greatest indvidiual grand final performances...


Only 1 of the Norm Smith voters had him as the best player.

Isaac Smith deserved it 32 dipsosals and 3 goals when do u ever seen that on the wing.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Right up the very top for mine.

 

[Lunchtime]

You are so biased as mate, he was good but that was not even close to the greatest indvidiual grand final performances...

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Only 1 of the Norm Smith voters had him as the best player.

Isaac Smith deserved it 32 dipsosals and 3 goals when do u ever seen that on the wing.

Isaac Smith
32 Disposals
5 Total Clearances
1 Centre Clearance
4 Stoppage Clearances
12 Marks
2 Tackles
84% Disposal Efficiency
1 Goal Assist
14 Score Involvements
3 Goals

Patrick Dangerfield
27 Disposals
9 Total Clearances
5 Centre Clearance
4 Stoppage Clearances
3 Marks
4 Tackles
67% Disposal Efficiency
6 Goal Assists
13 Score Involvements

 

[Daka]

Isaac Smith
32 Disposals
5 Total Clearances
1 Centre Clearance
4 Stoppage Clearances
12 Marks
2 Tackles
84% Disposal Efficiency
1 Goal Assist
14 Score Involvements
3 Goals

Patrick Dangerfield
27 Disposals
9 Total Clearances
5 Centre Clearance
4 Stoppage Clearances
3 Marks
4 Tackles
67% Disposal Efficiency
6 Goal Assists
13 Score Involvements

facts

 

[Lunchtime]

facts

As I've said, Dangerfield had a really good game, but Smith was better and the Norm Smith medal judges thought the same too.

 

[Aura]

As I've said, Dangerfield had a really good game, but Smith was better and the Norm Smith medal judges thought the same too.

For argument sake can you compare Houli and Dusty?

 

[Daka]

For argument sake can you compare Houli and Dusty?

You can if you want but similar to Danger v Smith argument only 1 panel voter said Houli was Best on ground in 2017 GF.
Dusty won unanimous in 2019/2020 so knock yourself really.

 

[STPer18]

What Dangerfield did to Sydney's midfield on that beautiful day probably isn't allowed to be discussed on a public forum. God it was brutal.

 

[Lunchtime]

For argument sake can you compare Houli and Dusty?

Do you mean the 2017 Grand Final?

Martin
29 Disposals
6 Total Clearances
3 Centre Clearance
3 Stoppage Clearances
1 Mark
1 Tackle
83% Disposal Efficiency
2 Goal Assists
9 Score Involvements
2 Goals

Bachar Houli
25 Disposals
1 Total Clearances
1 Stoppage Clearances
11 Marks
5 Tackles
76% Disposal Efficiency
4 Score Involvements
1 Goal

 

[STPer18]

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[Fadge]

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Was too good.

 

[STPer18]

Was too good.

2025 Geelong vs Collingwood and three of the best players on the ground are Dangerfield, Pendlebury and Sidebottom. We're in the twilight zone.

 

[Fadge]

2025 Geelong vs Collingwood and three of the best players on the ground are Dangerfield, Pendlebury and Sidebottom. We're in the twilight zone.

I wonder when they're going to start listening to all the BigFooty experts who have been telling us for years that they're all too old and too slow?

 

[Seeds]

You are so biased as mate, he was good but that was not even close to the greatest indvidiual grand final performances...

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Only 1 of the Norm Smith voters had him as the best player.

Isaac Smith deserved it 32 dipsosals and 3 goals when do u ever seen that on the wing.

Im biased against who? Other geelong players?

People watching from the stands from a distance dont see all the inside work. Ask geelong fans who have watched the game multiple times. Nearly all say danger.

 

[Daka]

Im biased against who? Other geelong players?

People watching from the stands from a distance dont see all the inside work. Ask geelong fans who have watched the game multiple times. Nearly all say danger.

It's disrespectful towards Smith considering he had a better game based on facts panel of votes and stats.
idk why you are saying Danger should have won are u trying to up Danger's achievements? by adding a Norm Smith too his resume the fact is he didn't get it Smith deserved you need to accept it.

 

[STPer18]

35 years old.

 

[Seeds]

Isaac Smith
32 Disposals
5 Total Clearances
1 Centre Clearance
4 Stoppage Clearances
12 Marks
2 Tackles
84% Disposal Efficiency
1 Goal Assist
14 Score Involvements
3 Goals

Patrick Dangerfield
27 Disposals
9 Total Clearances
5 Centre Clearance
4 Stoppage Clearances
3 Marks
4 Tackles
67% Disposal Efficiency
6 Goal Assists
13 Score Involvements

See the stats look pretty equal. Especially when you add in contested ball wins which clearly go dangers way.


Only problem is when danger dives on a contest, wins the pill, gets up, breaks a tackle, accelerates away from the contest and dishes off a hand ball to smith all the stats register is one handball and contested ball win to danger, one kick to smith. Yet danger creates something out of nothing.

Why dont you put up the stats for martins three norm smiths and compare them to danger and smiths seeing as you think this is the sole determination of how their games went?

No? Cos they dont look better?

 

[Daka]

See the stats look pretty equal. Especially when you add in contested ball wins which clearly go dangers way.


Only problem is when danger dives on a contest, wins the pill, gets up, breaks a tackle, accelerates away from the contest and dishes off a hand ball to smith all the stats register is one handball and contested ball win to danger, one kick to smith. Yet danger creates something out of nothing.

Why dont you put up the stats for martins three norm smiths and compare them to danger and smiths seeing as if you think this is the sole determination of how their games went?

Hahaha contested ball? Smith plays wing mate hahaha his role is not to get contested ball...

 

[Sttew]

Im biased against who? Other geelong players?

People watching from the stands from a distance dont see all the inside work. Ask geelong fans who have watched the game multiple times. Nearly all say danger.

Danger did the grunt work setting up so many goals. Smith was the beneficiary of Danger’s grunt work

 

[STPer18]

Relevant to discussion from literally this morning.

 

[Xtreme]

This but flip it. King Gary and Sir Patrick reign supreme.

In their fantasy land where they won 10 Brownlows, norm smith's and premierships in a row?

 

[Lunchtime]

See the stats look pretty equal. Especially when you add in contested ball wins which clearly go dangers way.


Only problem is when danger dives on a contest, wins the pill, gets up, breaks a tackle, accelerates away from the contest and dishes off a hand ball to smith all the stats register is one handball and contested ball win to danger, one kick to smith. Yet danger creates something out of nothing.

Why dont you put up the stats for martins three norm smiths and compare them to danger and smiths seeing as you think this is the sole determination of how their games went?

No? Cos they dont look better?

See below Martin's performances in his three Grand Finals:

Dustin Martin's Grand Final Performances

2017 vs Adelaide (MCG)
Total Possessions: 29
Contested Possessions: 22
Disposal Efficiency: 83.0%
Clearances: 6
Shots on Goal: 4
Goals: 2
Behinds: 2
No Score: 0
Goal Accuracy: 50.0%
Tackles: 1
Goal Assists: 2
Score Involvements: 9

2019 vs GWS (MCG)
Total Possessions: 22
Contested Possessions: 12
Disposal Efficiency: 86.0%
Clearances: 3
Shots on Goal: 5
Goals: 4
Behinds: 0
No Score: 1
Goal Accuracy: 80.0%
Tackles: 1
Goal Assists: 2
Score Involvements: 8

2020 vs Geelong (Gabba)
Total Possessions: 21
Contested Possessions: 10
Disposal Efficiency: 67.0%
Clearances: 5
Shots on Goal: 5
Goals: 4
Behinds: 0
No Score: 1
Goal Accuracy: 80.0%
Tackles: 3
Goal Assists: 1
Score Involvements: 9

Total (average)
Total Possessions: 72 (24.0)
Contested Possessions: 44 (14.6)
Disposal Efficiency: 79.0%
Clearances: 14 (4.6)
Shots on Goal: 14 (4.6)
Goals: 10 (3.3)
Behinds: 2 (0.6)
No Score: 2 (0.6)
Goal Accuracy: 71.4%
Tackles: 5 (1.6)
Goal Assists: 5 (1.6)
Score Involvements: 26 (8.6)

 

[STPer18]

See below Martin's performances in his three Grand Finals:

Dustin Martin's Grand Final Performances

2017 vs Adelaide (MCG)
Total Possessions: 29
Contested Possessions: 22
Disposal Efficiency: 83.0%
Clearances: 6
Shots on Goal: 4
Goals: 2
Behinds: 2
No Score: 0
Goal Accuracy: 50.0%
Tackles: 1
Goal Assists: 2
Score Involvements: 9

2019 vs GWS (MCG)
Total Possessions: 22
Contested Possessions: 12
Disposal Efficiency: 86.0%
Clearances: 3
Shots on Goal: 5
Goals: 4
Behinds: 0
No Score: 1
Goal Accuracy: 80.0%
Tackles: 1
Goal Assists: 2
Score Involvements: 8

2020 vs Geelong (Gabba)
Total Possessions: 21
Contested Possessions: 10
Disposal Efficiency: 67.0%
Clearances: 5
Shots on Goal: 5
Goals: 4
Behinds: 0
No Score: 1
Goal Accuracy: 80.0%
Tackles: 3
Goal Assists: 1
Score Involvements: 9

Total (average)
Total Possessions: 72 (24.0)
Contested Possessions: 44 (14.6)
Disposal Efficiency: 79.0%
Clearances: 14 (4.6)
Shots on Goal: 14 (4.6)
Goals: 10 (3.3)
Behinds: 2 (0.6)
No Score: 2 (0.6)
Goal Accuracy: 71.4%
Tackles: 5 (1.6)
Goal Assists: 5 (1.6)
Score Involvements: 26 (8.6)

Poor man's Isaac Smith.

 

[Xtreme]

Danger is 35 and still dominating. They're not in the same ballpark. One had a great run for a few years. The other’s been elite for nearly 20.

Wrong

Dangerfirld is a magician that disappears frequently. He'd have multiple brownlows, premierships and NS medals if he was as good as thr hype.

 

[PhatBoy]

It's disrespectful towards Smith considering he had a better game based on facts panel of votes and stats.
idk why you are saying Danger should have won are u trying to up Danger's achievements? by adding a Norm Smith too his resume the fact is he didn't get it Smith deserved you need to accept it.

I don’t really have a dog in the fight, I couldn’t care less. I love Danger, I loved what Smith brought to our club during his time there, I loved what he brought to that grand final.

My own favourite player of all time probably had a bigger impact than either (Hawkins) during the very limited period when it was actually there to be won, kicking two goals in the first ten minutes from the ruck and another when the margin was still theoretically retrievable for Sydney and he didn’t even poll a vote.

Smith to me played an excellent game but guys kicking goals tend to get a lot more immediate plaudits than guys assisting them unless it is blockbusting obvious (like last night) who is doing the setting up.

If you are a cats fan and you’re paying specific attention to everyone on the ground and what they’re doing, I tended to think Dangerfield had the better game and that stat line was imperious.