The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[kranky al]

There’s a lot of pro gun lobby propaganda being put out to act as if these WA laws are “too restrictive” - here are the facts.

Hunters are still allowed 5 guns each, primary producers 10.

Mental and physical health checks will be conducted to obtain a licence

Guns will be taken off those holding restraining orders

Stronger gun safes monitored by CCTV

Restrictions on rifles and magazine capacities.

Farmers will still be to shoot pests, they just are being restricted from the next Port Arthur. 52 dead is still 52 too many.

When i say city folk who know sfa about the bush - clearly i was speaking about you.

The port Arthur shooter had multiple semi automatic weapons.

For the uninitiated - this means all you have to do is pull the trigger. Over and over. The weapon reloads itself. So you can get a well aimed shot off every couple of seconds from a lying position. Or an aimed shot from standing position every couple of seconds.

This is how he was able to kill 52 people. In the time it takes 50 people to run out of range you can slot them all even with a change to another weapon.

We made these weapons illegal and melted them down. A long time ago - around 30 years ago. We haven’t had a mass shooting like that as a result.

The weapons we have now have to be cocked every time you fire them. So to make aimed shots takes a lot longer. You can’t must blast away and kill 52 people because they will run off. Or someone close to you can wrap a baseball bat around your head when you are cycling the action.

Now instead of ten slow cycling rifles, you can only have five.

Exactly how many rifles do you think mass shooters plan on carrying with them?

“Oh dear I’ve only got five rifles now - best can the mass shooting”

here’s a hint, a practised shooter can change a magazine faster than he can put down a rifle and unsling another. If I were planning a mass shooting - I’d have 2 rifles tops. Would prefer a rifle and a pistol though. Rifle with ten mags and a pistol with two. Stupid American movies make people think that you have to have 25 weapons when you go on a spree.

Btw I’d have a think about this bit:


. The majority of this state don’t want depressed farmers grabbing unsecured rapid fire rifles ….

The rapid fire rifles left the building 30 years ago…

with large magazines and taking it out on society. That’s the decision of the majority and you rural types will have to live with that.

Can you point out the mass shootings we’ve had since the gun buy back 30 years ago?

I’ll wait


I don’t mean to be rude but your post is so utterly bereft of anything that even resembles a clue about firearms that it actually reinforces my point, you need people who actually have some knowledge on the subject. Literally everything you posted was based in ignorance.

 

[peetoo]

When i say city folk who know sfa about the bush - clearly i was speaking about you.

The port Arthur shooter had multiple semi automatic weapons.

For the uninitiated - this means all you have to do is pull the trigger. Over and over. The weapon reloads itself. So you can get a well aimed shot off every couple of seconds from a lying position. Or an aimed shot from standing position every couple of seconds.

This is how he was able to kill 52 people. In the time it takes 50 people to run out of range you can slot them all even with a change to another weapon.

We made these weapons illegal and melted them down. A long time ago - around 30 years ago. We haven’t had a mass shooting like that as a result.

The weapons we have now have to be cocked every time you fire them. So to make aimed shots takes a lot longer. You can’t must blast away and kill 52 people because they will run off. Or someone close to you can wrap a baseball bat around your head when you are cycling the action.

Now instead of ten slow cycling rifles, you can only have five.

Exactly how many rifles do you think mass shooters plan on carrying with them?

“Oh dear I’ve only got five rifles now - best can the mass shooting”

here’s a hint, a practised shooter can change a magazine faster than he can put down a rifle and unsling another. If I were planning a mass shooting - I’d have 2 rifles tops. Would prefer a rifle and a pistol though. Rifle with ten mags and a pistol with two. Stupid American movies make people think that you have to have 25 weapons when you go on a spree.




The rapid fire rifles left the building 30 years ago…

Can you point out the mass shootings we’ve had since the gun buy back 30 years ago?

I’ll wait


I don’t mean to be rude but your post is so utterly bereft of anything that even resembles a clue about firearms that it actually reinforces my point, you need people who actually have some knowledge on the subject. Literally everything you posted was based in ignorance.

That Scottish shooter had a backpack full of pistols

 

[jim boy]

I don’t mean to be rude but your post is so utterly bereft of anything that even resembles a clue about firearms that it actually reinforces my point, you need people who actually have some knowledge on the subject. Literally everything you posted was based in ignorance.

You are obviously passionate about this, but what actual piece of the legislation is too restrictive?

 

[kranky al]

You are obviously passionate about this, but what actual piece of the legislation is too restrictive?

The amount of guns you can have. Different guns do different jobs.

I have no issue with mental health checks or removing guns from dv offenders - that was overdue.

 

[kranky al]

That Scottish shooter had a backpack full of pistols

Yup none obtained legally yeah?

 

[Cmarsh]

Hold up. The Liberal party suddenly care about problem gambling.

‘Grave social evil’: Howard urges government to crack down on pokies

The former prime minister is calling for regulatory reform following an investigation into the distribution and ownership of poker machines in Alice Springs.

www.afr.com

 

[kranky al]

Hold up. The Liberal party suddenly care about problem gambling.

‘Grave social evil’: Howard urges government to crack down on pokies

The former prime minister is calling for regulatory reform following an investigation into the distribution and ownership of poker machines in Alice Springs.

www.afr.com

Lived in Canberra for a few years, started going to this sporting club and was shocked by how cheap food and piss especially was. Then one day looking for a place to smash a durry I walked into the pokies room and saw who was paying for my cheap meals and piss.

Never went back

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Excellent, if florid, piece on conservatism by John Birmingham:

What if they had a culture war and nobody came?

All good things must come to an end, even the Festival of Shameful Joy.

aliensideboob.substack.com

 

[E Shed]

Hold up. The Liberal party suddenly care about problem gambling.

‘Grave social evil’: Howard urges government to crack down on pokies

The former prime minister is calling for regulatory reform following an investigation into the distribution and ownership of poker machines in Alice Springs.

www.afr.com

Must be not an LNP donor who has the licenses.

 

[Saint]

There’s a lot of pro gun lobby propaganda being put out to act as if these WA laws are “too restrictive” - here are the facts.

Hunters are still allowed 5 guns each, primary producers 10.

Mental and physical health checks will be conducted to obtain a licence

Guns will be taken off those holding restraining orders

Stronger gun safes monitored by CCTV

Restrictions on rifles and magazine capacities.

Farmers will still be to shoot pests, they just are being restricted from the next Port Arthur. 52 dead is still 52 too many.

Btw I’d have a think about this bit:



I assume you’re in rural WA? The LNP has been wiped out in cities for a reason. I put a part of it in WA down to the extremely arrogant and at times racist “Keep the Sheep” campaign. Rural folk telling city folk to vote according to the wishes of country folk without any persuasion. It’s that kind of arrogance that puts a strong distaste of country people in the mouths of city people, and pretending “country folk know better”. Well you obviously don’t. We live in a democracy and you in the bush are in a minority, and a shrinking one at that. The majority of this state don’t want depressed farmers grabbing unsecured rapid fire rifles with large magazines and taking it out on society. That’s the decision of the majority and you rural types will have to live with that.

We keep hearing from country people about how they're the power-house of the economy, driving exports. But the truth is that Education exports are worth more than grain and meat exports combined.

The Nats, and their supporters, need to move beyond "Farmers = real Australians" the rest of the country has.

 

[QuietB]

Dutton was on speed dial to this freak

Conservative Australia is run by ideologue fools

Thank you for letting us make you rich: claims of ‘bizarre’ culture in Gina Rinehart’s company

Former staff lift the veil on life at Hancock Prospecting, where they say the boss is lavishly praised and adulation is encouraged

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gough]

Dutton was on speed dial to this freak

Conservative Australia is run by ideologue fools

Thank you for letting us make you rich: claims of ‘bizarre’ culture in Gina Rinehart’s company

Former staff lift the veil on life at Hancock Prospecting, where they say the boss is lavishly praised and adulation is encouraged

www.theguardian.com

She owns Jacinta Price too.

 

[QuietB]

She owns Jacinta Price too.

Jacinta Price is less electable than Dutton.

There is no way possible middle Australia or the "doctor's wives" vote for someone who spurned their own people in favour of personal political gain.

 

[Gough]

Jacinta Price is less electable than Dutton.

There is no way possible middle Australia or the "doctor's wives" vote for someone who spurned their own people in favour of personal political gain.

She's the female Babet, all piss and wind.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Dutton was on speed dial to this freak

Conservative Australia is run by ideologue fools

Thank you for letting us make you rich: claims of ‘bizarre’ culture in Gina Rinehart’s company

Former staff lift the veil on life at Hancock Prospecting, where they say the boss is lavishly praised and adulation is encouraged

www.theguardian.com

The Cult of La Gina.

 

[Gough]

The Cult of La Gina.

At least Palmer had the courage to actually put himself forward for election.

 

[schneebly111]

We keep hearing from country people about how they're the power-house of the economy, driving exports. But the truth is that Education exports are worth more than grain and meat exports combined.

The Nats, and their supporters, need to move beyond "Farmers = real Australians" the rest of the country has.

Absolutely.

And rural areas receive more welfare and taxpayer funds per capita than the cities. They are the leaders, urban people are the lifters.

"Farmers = real Australians" is more of a dogwhistle than anything. Have you noticed the ethnic background of pretty much all farmers……

 

[schneebly111]

The amount of guns you can have. Different guns do different jobs.

You still get a total of ten guns. Why do you possibly NEED more than that?
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/rcna36397

We are not America. Feel free to move there if you want that kind of gun nuttery

 

[kranky al]

You still get a total of ten guns. Why do you possibly NEED more than that?
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/rcna36397

We are not America. Feel free to move there if you want that kind of gun nuttery

I’m a terrible golfer.

A putter, a two iron, a seven iron, a chipping wedge and a 2 wood are all I need to be shit at it. Different clubs than that just get confusing.

However - I’m a bit of a gun fisherman who’s won multiple comps , I have a heavy electric dd, a light electric dd, a light weight class trolling reel, a 2-4lb, a 4-8lb, a couple of small squid rods, a dhu bait set up, a plastics flicking rod a couple of jigging rods, 2 15 footer Alvey beach rods for snapper , a 12 foot tailor rod, and a few extra rods that are old and for when friends come out from overseas.

When it comes to shooting there’s no one gun does it all, or two, or three, the rifle you use to hunt rabbits is a different beast than the one for Roos, and for ducks, your target rifles are different again, if you live on acreage with a family you hold the gun license for your kids till they come of age. You don’t want them using and abusing your brand new 15k Sako trg - you are going to start them on an old hand me down till they show they can look after it. Even then they can buy their }%#{{% own.

See there’s things that you know when something is a part of your life - and there’s things you don’t know when it’s not.


You know who is safer? Feral animals. You might want to google the effects of them on our environment. Sporting and pro shooters take out a huge number of them every year at no cost to the government.

I currently don’t own any rifles but I go out with a mate who had a spare. When you come across a herd of wild pigs you have a matter of seconds to pop as many as you can before they get into the creek line and away. Back in the day I used to use an old Chinese sks semi auto for pigging in qld. Myself and 4 or so soldiers could wipe out a whole herd with maybe a couple getting away. Then they took the semi autos and I was happy with that. I don’t want to see mass shootings any more than you do and we were tracking the same as the US. So then we went out with bolt actions and about half the herd get away.

Now my mate has had to sell his spares and his kids or I can’t come out with him. He kills a couple and the rest get away.

No one is one iota safer if instead of ten rifles, someone has five.


Try to think of it with the tables turned. Robodebt was a horrendous policy that was exposed by a half way competent opposition. This bit of legislation is going to lead to feral outbreaks worse than they are already.

So going back to my op, that’s why an effective opposition is essential to a functioning democracy so they people not represented by the ruling party at the time can have their voices heard before crap legislation gets passed.

 

[schneebly111]

When it comes to shooting there’s no one gun does it all, or two, or three, the rifle you use to hunt rabbits is a different beast than the one for Roos, and for ducks, your target rifles are different again, if you live on acreage with a family you hold the gun license for your kids till they come of age. You don’t want them using and abusing your brand new 15k Sako trg - you are going to start them on an old hand me down till they show they can look after it. Even then they can buy their }%#{{% own.

But you're talking about those (farmers) who NEED more than 10 guns for their income (pest control on farms). Duck hunting for recreation is not pest control for employment.

Again tell me how a farmer needs more than 10 firearms to maintain their income.

This is the thing with rural types, you are way too stuck in the past. You don't realise how to think and adapt to only needing 10 rifles instead of dozens and therefore just want everything to be as it was in the "good old days".

It's actually a great analogy to current politics. Conservatives refuse to adapt to modern Australia and want to pretend to live in a country where the White Australia Policy is in effect, gays were bashed senseless, women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, Aboriginals not counted as human beings on the census, where wealthy white male landowners were the only ones allowed to vote.

 

[kranky al]

But you're talking about those (farmers) who NEED more than 10 guns for their income (pest control on farms). Duck hunting for recreation is not pest control for employment.

Again tell me how a farmer needs more than 10 firearms to maintain their income.

This is the thing with rural types, you are way too stuck in the past. You don't realise how to think and adapt to only needing 10 rifles instead of dozens and therefore just want everything to be as it was in the "good old days".

It's actually a great analogy to current politics. Conservatives refuse to adapt to modern Australia and want to pretend to live in a country where the White Australia Policy is in effect, gays were bashed senseless, women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, Aboriginals not counted as human beings on the census, where wealthy white male landowners were the only ones allowed to vote.

I actually rewrote the post you quoted to make the point clearer.

 

[schneebly111]

I actually rewrote the post you quoted to make the point clearer.

You will learn to live with 10 rifles mate, and there won't be a feral pest outbreak. You'll still whinge but you'll cope.

If you want to listened to more maybe show a bit more humility and respect to the majority who live in cities mate, because you aren't showing it now.

 

[kranky al]

You will learn to live with 10 rifles mate, and there won't be a feral pest outbreak. You'll still whinge but you'll cope.

If you want to listened to more maybe show a bit more humility and respect to the majority who live in cities mate, because you aren't showing it now.

I’m not showing respect because even when I try to explain to you and give examples you still come back with out any understanding.

Ferals are already over running us - it was happening before the new legislation, now, as I quite clearly outlined for you… with less guns do you can take less mates / employees out shooting them - it will get worse.

Every step of this debate you have shown that you flat out don’t understand even the basics about firearms - and im the one who should show humility?

Invasive animals

Working to recover and sustain wild populations of Western Australian native fauna threatened by invasive animals.

www.dbca.wa.gov.au

The impact of invasive animals on Western Australia's biodiversity​

The presence of invasive species has consistently been identified as one of the most significant threats to WA’s native species and ecosystems. The Australian Government has identified foxes and feral cats as a key cause of the extinction and decline of dozens of native animal species across Australia.

A bunch of us could go out and kill 30 to 50 or more foxes in a night.

Now it’s one or two blokes killing a handful.


In a few years time the government will be paying companies big money to do it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I’m not showing respect because even when I try to explain to you and give examples you still come back with out any understanding.

Ferals are already over running us - it was happening before the new legislation, now, as I quite clearly outlined for you… with less guns do you can take less mates / employees out shooting them - it will get worse.

Every step of this debate you have shown that you flat out don’t understand even the basics about firearms - and im the one who should show humility?

Invasive animals

Working to recover and sustain wild populations of Western Australian native fauna threatened by invasive animals.

www.dbca.wa.gov.au

The impact of invasive animals on Western Australia's biodiversity​

The presence of invasive species has consistently been identified as one of the most significant threats to WA’s native species and ecosystems. The Australian Government has identified foxes and feral cats as a key cause of the extinction and decline of dozens of native animal species across Australia.

A bunch of us could go out and kill 30 to 50 or more foxes in a night.

Now it’s one or two blokes killing a handful.


In a few years time the government will be paying companies big money to do it.

You guys lost the war against emus. Not sure if more guns is the answer.

 

[kranky al]

You guys lost the war against emus. Not sure if more guns is the answer.

That was the army - the shame the shame. The navy and airforce never let us live it down