Review R13: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Brisbane Lions

[John Who]

Yes, they sure showed us in that game.

those that whinged about D Mac ad nauseum, did they think in 2017 we were going to make the GF at the start of that season? I’m guessing no.

 

[Pugsley]

those that whinged about D Mac ad nauseum, did they think in 2017 we were going to make the GF at the start of that season? I’m guessing no.

What does it matter now? Move on.

 

[John Who]

What does it matter now? Move on.

Perhaps you shouldn’t interject on a discussion if you don’t understand the discussion.

 

[Pugsley]

Perhaps you shouldn’t interject on a discussion if you don’t understand the discussion.

I understood it. Perhaps you should stop spouting incessant garbage.

 

[John Who]

I understood it. Perhaps you should stop spouting incessant garbage.

Perhaps you should stop reading my posts like a post-reading addict (and then have a baby whinge regarding my posts).

 

[Pugsley]

Perhaps you should stop reading my posts like a post-reading addict (and then have a baby whinge regarding my posts).

I don't think you're understanding the purpose of a forum

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

I was discussing ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE WHOLE STATE. The money that an asset like that could bring in TO THE STATE. All of the surrounding spend and room nights.

Not whether the single building makes a profit - that is a TINY part of what the economic impact of this initiative would be for that city.

Here - NRL's Magic Round (which frankly isn't a patch on Gather Round). $20m of additional spend in year one, in 2019 numbers.

Magic Round delivers millions for Queensland businesses

The inaugural NRL Magic Round pumped a whopping $20 million into Queensland’s economy over four days according to economic modelling released today.

teq.queensland.com

Gather Round. $90m+.

https://tourism.sa.gov.au/news-arti...ic-contribution-to-sa-as-2025-dates-locked-in

Similarly - you can see that overall AFL games deliver about $700m a year of visitor economic impact each year.

https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2019/09/economic-windfall-thanks-to-afl-

Their either is set up properly to succeed long term, or it shouldn't happen. Done properly, it would be transformational for a state that has very little economic opportunity. Done badly, and it will be an anchor financially for the entire AFL.

The reason they use the word economic impact rather than net benefit for gather round is because there is likely no benefit at all as you probabaly know. The state government won't even say how much it paid. The AFL hired the consultant so it's not independent. As far as I know at the time at as I looked they didn't release the report or methodology used. Likely it doesn't account for public costs and they've inflated the benefits using the multipler effect when really most of that money heads out of the state anyway as it's not made here. They're political investments rather than economic otherwise there'd be no need to keep it secret.

 

[CrowBloke]

I just watched the last quarter again.
Some great defence/intercept marks/tackles, horrror Brisbane misses and that smother by ANB!!

Then, just out of curiosity I looked at the team stats here:

Adelaide Crows vs Brisbane Lions - AFL Round 13, 2025

www.foxsports.com.au

GOOD: we won it after losing just about every stat that matters, except Tackles and Contested Marks.
Our blokes were super-efficient after 1/4 time, 10.2 to 6.12.

 

[CrowBloke]

Crowbloke posts so many words its just the law of averages causing him to use the word dour at some stage...

True.
Brevity; not my strong suit. (<== any better? I'm practising )

 

[CrowBloke]

God this thread has more twists than a Hitchcock novel

movie.

 

[CrowBloke]

Okay, there's been enough time (or booze, or both) to finally come back here and say something about this game properly, from a seat high up in the Eastern stand, and not seeing any replay of the game. I'm not going into the GBU for once, because when you look at this game in its entirety, it somehow seems kind of pointless to the result.

Apparently we lost every stat apart from the score. I'm a little surprised at that. That pressure gauge thingy that they occasionally refer to... we must have been up there most of the night, and off the chart in the last quarter. If we weren't ahead, it should have been at least breakeven, because that's how we won the game.

Brisbane came in with a plan, which for the majority of the game it worked. Take away Dawson, Rankine, Fog and TT. They didn't really care as much about the rest, and for three quarters it went in their favor. Andrews did a great job on Fog, TT didn't get much of the ball near the goals, Dawson and Rankine were basically neutered. Tex got his moments, but it was only a goal that he scored... in wet weather they got a run on in the middle of the second quarter when they toasted our midfield, and it was the closest we got to letting the game get out of touch... right up to Rash's goal from the western boundary. The only wide shot at goal that got close all night. That was the defibrillator that bought us back.

I've mentioned that wicked, evil, gusty crosswind kicking towards the Northern/Hill end from the western side that you should all be sick of by now - if you haven't go back and find it. If you can't be arsed, it was something between the hand of God, or a sixty foot high invisible Goalkeeper swatting away the ball when it got to the line. We missed a lot of shots in the first quarter from there, and adjusted. The third quarter we played smart football. We clawed our way back. Then at the end, we went to sleep again and conceded goals late when we shouldn't have. I walked back to get a drink with my best friend who said "we can win it, but I doubt we can" to which I channeled Phil Walsh (who I referred to this week) saying: "if we are going to win this, we need to play Formula One football. Risk it all, take the game on, because if you don't, you have no chance."

The start of the last quarter Smithers was on, and we were trying to work out who got subbed out. ANB? Peatling? Nope. It was Butts... who saved our arse a few times already at the goal-line, and had a great game... but Hipwood was struggling to get the ball. He went deep into defence in the third quarter which dragged Butts down there into a possible goal-scoring opportunity. WTF! We hadn't seen this before: the Crows coaches saw it too, and given that the Lions smalls were hurting us more, they pulled the trigger in the last quarter...

Formula One football. Soligo as a tagger rubbed out Keane. We were winning from the middle. For a night when little went right for three quarters, for Dawson everything clicked and he ripped the game apart. The pressure gauge went way past boiling point and we blew Brisbane to pieces... and at the scoring end of the ground, we did not miss once. They were getting beat and trying to hold on, right up until we were two goals up and had the winning hand, and then they had to attack.

We did enough to win - and yes a good part of that was luck. The kick outs to the western wing in the last minutes with that evil wind were the exact right ting to do - it was to the side where no one had scored a goal from all night kicking to The Hill. Two goals up, and we could afford to concede points, but not goals. It's a hell of a gamble, but the odds were better than kicking down the ground or to the eastern scoring side of the ground (where the flukey breeze could move it out of bounds for a free kick). Brisbane couldn't do it. Most of their shots were from bad positions, or under extreme pressure, and they missed them all.

Along with Dawson's kick after the siren when we won the Showdown (which is the LOUDEST I've ever heard a crowd at AO, almost up there with the Showdown final at Football Park) it's the most satisfying win I've experienced since Nicks took the reigns. It was an ugly win, in ugly conditions, against the reigning Premiership team, and I do agree with Fagan they were better than us in a lot of ways... except where and when it counted.

Credit where it's due, this is a big tick for Nicks, and the coaches and players who pulled all the right levers at the right time.



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Really enjoyed your analysis (and as you and feenix67 know, I am not anti-long posts )

 

[Slippery Pete]

those that whinged about D Mac ad nauseum, did they think in 2017 we were going to make the GF at the start of that season? I’m guessing no.

What does it matter now? Move on.

Perhaps you shouldn’t interject on a discussion if you don’t understand the discussion.

I understood it. Perhaps you should stop spouting incessant garbage.

Perhaps you should stop reading my posts like a post-reading addict (and then have a baby whinge regarding my posts).

I don't think you're understanding the purpose of a forum

There’s something obviously missing from this very entertaining exchange.

Sanders.

 

[Pugsley]

There’s something obviously missing from this very entertaining exchange.

Sanders.

Indeed.

 

[Mostyn]

And maybe for tourists they don’t really go to see footy. You know the major tourism draw cards are wilderness, history and overnight hikes.

Sorry, but that's remarkably untrue.

Major sporting events are the highest earning destination tourism activity we have. The AFL is the most significant and consistent earner in the sporting space, and one of the biggest domestic tourism drivers overall.

It's actually the exact opposite of what you're suggesting.

 

[Nepotism]

Our best win of the season by far.

 

[Mostyn]

I'm not sure thats quite right.

The plan we use to close out close games is flawed, but we genuinely believe its the right one.

And, for whatever flaws it has, it often works for both us and almost every other side that tries to shut the game down in the last couple of minutes. It's a pretty commonplace tactic.

 

[George CantStandYa]

And, for whatever flaws it has, it often works for both us and almost every other side that tries to shut the game down in the last couple of minutes. It's a pretty commonplace tactic.

Key being last couple of minutes, not 10 mins out and no their plan isn’t long bomb to contests, it’s keep the ball by passing it to a teammate, bombing only eventuates when that is cut off.

 

[Nepotism]

It pays to be in front late in close games.

 

[feenix67]

The evidence is pretty strong that the tide is turning , but if you want to keep your head up your arse , good luck to you

Wouldn’t be the first time

Even for you, this is a world class misrepresentation of my opinion.

 

[Pugsley]

Even for you, this I a world class misrepresentation of my opinion.

We need a bigger boat.

 

[Cromulant]

And, for whatever flaws it has, it often works for both us and almost every other side that tries to shut the game down in the last couple of minutes. It's a pretty commonplace tactic.

It works for us does it ??

 

[CrowBloke]

GBU ... and BEAUTIFUL: tap on by Walker to Keays, in full flight, to Rachele ... GOAL.

 

[CrowBloke]

And, for whatever flaws it has, it often works for both us and almost every other side that tries to shut the game down in the last couple of minutes. It's a pretty commonplace tactic.

Except in this case, we got up by 11 points with 8.59 on the clock, which equates to about 12 minutes playing time with time-on. Photo paused as Keays kicks his third:
That's not "in the last couple of minutes".


That's plenty of time for any Top-10 side to kick 2 or more goals to win and Brisbane had 10 tries after that for 2 smothers, 2 ootf and 6 points.

 

[FR0GGY]

I feel like we haven't been a smart tap on side, but we saw two, walker and fogarty against the lions.

 

[Nepotism]

Our defense did really well in the last 8 minutes.