Test Frank Worrell Trophy Third Test (D/N) West Indies v Australia July 12-16 0400hrs 13/7 @ Sabina Park, Jamaica

[Gough]

I wonder if Warnie would have been convinced by Starc yet?

 

[PhatBoy]

Anderson didn't even watch the ball and king went a booming dive first nut lol would root get out that way or gill ? yeh na WI are terrible which we knew.

You don’t average 45 in any domestic comp - especially one that has been dominated by the ball for donkey’s years - with five centuries in 22 matches unless you have some ability. Which Anderson has done. He obviously had a nightmare first test. No argument. But he’s not the first and won’t be the last to freeze in the glare. Suggesting his record to date has been a fluke playing against the likes of Seales and the Josephs, Gabriel and Warrican and Veerasammy Permaul who rack up 40 wicket seasons for fun, is a bit short sighted.

Until two weeks ago Gill was averaging 35 after 60 innings and the only time he’d broken triple figures outside India was in Bangladesh. Why is he suddenly the yardstick for two guys with 8 test knocks between them?

 

[DaRick]

Joseph not getting MoS when he took 22 wickets at 14 in a three test series seems a bit silly. Guy was all over us all series, and as amazing as Starc’s finish was I don’t think it should have moved him past Joseph.

Obviously a small thing in the scheme of it all, but still.

He also made some handy runs with the blade

Guessing the off-field controversies played a role.

Does anyone else think that Starc is actually kinda underrated? 400+ test wickets and he seems to be critiqued more than praised.

I think so, for some bogus reason I still picture Starc as a leaky bowler who picks up early and late wickets. Entirely incorrect of course. It's been almost 9 years since Starc's test match bowling average has been above 30.

He's proven himself to be quite durable for a big quick which is also remarkable.

I think his early showings, where he could swing the ball but was outrageously inconsistent, have hurt his reputation, as have his fairly unimpressive showings versus IND, often the best side during his career.

Even today, he outperforms with the pink ball and is fairly expensive, so he's seen as somewhat unreliable and reliant on conditions (not entirely untrue).

But it's hard to knock a quick who takes 400+ wickets, and he's definitely been better over the second half of his career - he goes through the crease faster and has a bit more variation, rather than just floating the ball up there and hoping it would swing like he did earlier on in his career.

 

[DaRick]

I wonder if Warnie would have been convinced by Starc yet?

You could perform a seance and see if he replies.

 

[the_interloper]

He misfielded a ball as well, and the commentators said "oh....." then it cut away. it did so because it was the highlights

I dropped three catches one day, worst days cricket ever. Of course playing F grade comes with a bit less scrutiny with what Konstas has to put up with, just a bit.

 

[PhatBoy]

This sort of stuff isn’t good for world cricket. I think this could have been an amazing series.

As an avid cricket follower, to me Nicholas Pooran is possibly the most gifted batsman in world cricket. And he’s played over 450 t20 matches, no tests and now internationally retired. This is just terrible for world cricket. Surely the ICC can cover some of these world class players salaries to play tests. It’s diabolical.

I rate the Guyanese pair of Rutherford and Hetmeyer really highly too. Particularly Hetmeyer can properly bat and was captain of the winning Windies U19 World Cup team years ago. Hes played over 250 t20s. Add these 3 into the lineup and that West Indies lineup is so much stronger it’s not funny.

The pitches were tough for batting but way too much favouritism in selections didn’t help either. McKenzie was great out here last year. Where were De Silva, Athenaze and even Sinclair who won out here last time?

T20 is a completely different game. But in my mind the West Indies best batsman (Pooran, Hetmeyer, Rutherford) would be good enough at test level, but unless the ICC starts paying some of these guys salary the best batters will just continue to gallavant with these T20 leagues and the game is much worse for it.

PhatBoy would you agree or would you say the ship has sailed with these guys?

Oh, and Kyle Mayers while not a step in the youth direction is the other player I would try hard to get in. He’s not an out and out T20 star so he’s not as in demand as some of the other franchise players which has meant he’s still played first class cricket. He doesn’t have a brilliant record - he only averages low 30s - but he can play. And he’s a very handy bowler. A sort of Wian Mulder type player.

 

[kickazz]

2 questions sorry:

Was Inglis a concussion sub, or sub fielder? I.e. does it count as a test match played for him?

Concussion sub, don't think a run of the mill sub fielder is allowed to don the gloves.

 

[Wallaby]

I dropped three catches one day, worst days cricket ever. Of course playing F grade comes with a bit less scrutiny with what Konstas has to put up with, just a bit.

Ha Ha. Loser.

I once dropped three catches in E grade.

 

[sr36]

This sort of stuff isn’t good for world cricket. I think this could have been an amazing series.

As an avid cricket follower, to me Nicholas Pooran is possibly the most gifted batsman in world cricket. And he’s played over 450 t20 matches, no tests and now internationally retired. This is just terrible for world cricket. Surely the ICC can cover some of these world class players salaries to play tests. It’s diabolical.

I rate the Guyanese pair of Rutherford and Hetmeyer really highly too. Particularly Hetmeyer can properly bat and was captain of the winning Windies U19 World Cup team years ago. Hes played over 250 t20s. Add these 3 into the lineup and that West Indies lineup is so much stronger it’s not funny.

The pitches were tough for batting but way too much favouritism in selections didn’t help either. McKenzie was great out here last year. Where were De Silva, Athenaze and even Sinclair who won out here last time?

T20 is a completely different game. But in my mind the West Indies best batsman (Pooran, Hetmeyer, Rutherford) would be good enough at test level, but unless the ICC starts paying some of these guys salary the best batters will just continue to gallavant with these T20 leagues and the game is much worse for it.

PhatBoy would you agree or would you say the ship has sailed with these guys?

If you want to get test cricket back to being competitive within all the cricket playing nations they need to take a look at the AFL. It's not going to happen, but Cricket boards should hand over broadcast rights to the ICC who then distribute proceeds unequally to encourage a competitive balance. At the moment, it's dwindling downwards to being extremely tiered between the have and have not nations - the accelaration of that seems inevitable.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

I wonder about Green. He did a decent job at 3 on tough tracks, showed a lot of ticker. When he goes back to Shield where will he bat?

 

[the_interloper]

Ha Ha. Loser.

I once dropped three catches in E grade.

The easiest one was in covers off a bloke who had his first bowl for the year, **** he was ropeable ha ha

 

[eddiesmith]

I think so, for some bogus reason I still picture Starc as a leaky bowler who picks up early and late wickets. Entirely incorrect of course. It's been almost 9 years since Starc's test match bowling average has been above 30.

He's proven himself to be quite durable for a big quick which is also remarkable.

Day Night cricket has saved him, averaging 29.5 in red ball cricket still with a qtr of his wickets coming with the pink ball.

 

[eddiesmith]

Good to have 1 in reserve and he is that. Just unlucky, theres 3 of our all time best quicks ahead of him.

Yet he’s a better bowler and more durable than Hazlewood.

 

[240volt]

Day Night cricket has saved him, averaging 29.5 in red ball cricket still with a qtr of his wickets coming with the pink ball.

What Starc does isn’t rocket science, he keeps the ball well pitched up especially early giving it time to swing.
The batsman is either playing back or more likely just playing from the crease.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yet he’s a better bowler and more durable than Hazlewood.

No he isn’t and Haze was the no1 ranked bowler before injury last year.

 

[JackOutback]

I wonder about Green. He did a decent job at 3 on tough tracks, showed a lot of ticker. When he goes back to Shield where will he bat?

If he goes back to Shield, he's bat at 4.

 

[Bedi]

Well that was an evening of cricket for the ages! Thriller in Lords and horror show in Jamaica. Ecstatic for Boland and thrilled for Starc in what was the most memorable 100th test ever, but can't shrug feelings of sadness for West Indies cricket and their long-suffering fans having to endure that humiliation. Oh well, revenge for Ambrose tearing us a new one in 1993 I suppose.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If he goes back to Shield, he's bat at 4.

Surely now they will tell WA to bat him at 3.

 

[Gethelred]

I think it comes down to conditions and also whether Green is bowling well. If condiitons are like last summer - I wouldn't play either Lyon or a 4th seamer. Strengthen the batting by bringing McSweeney into the middle order and go with an attack of 3 seamers, Green, Webster and then if necessary some part time spin from Mcsweeney, Head or Webster.

****ing don't give Green the ball. Don't do it. Physically take it off him, and if you catch him thinking nostalgically about bowling fetch a stool so you can reach and slap him across his golden retriever-esque face.

We do not need Cameron Green to bowl. We need him to average more than 40 with the bat. Runs are at an all time premium, and we still have one of the best across the board attacks ever assembled in Australian colours as well as an all rounder averaging 35 with the bat and 27 with the ball.

Let him bat and field at gully. That's it.

 

[JackOutback]

Surely now they will tell WA to bat him at 3.

He's always batted 4 and we have our own developing number 3 that we want to get games into. I reckon Voges would push back on any attempt to hurt the development of Jayden Goodwin so the national team can play musical chairs with their line-up. There's not enough of a difference between 3 and 4 for it to become a mandate, imo.

 

[NSWCROW]

They ain't " Your dads " Windies anymore



Ask your dad

 

[Doss]

Well that was an evening of cricket for the ages! Thriller in Lords and horror show in Jamaica. Ecstatic for Boland and thrilled for Starc in what was the most memorable 100th test ever, but can't shrug feelings of sadness for West Indies cricket and their long-suffering fans having to endure that humiliation. Oh well, revenge for Ambrose tearing us a new one in 1993 I suppose.

Reckon we’ve well and truly taken revenge on them for 1993 several times over by now.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He's always batted 4 and we have our own developing number 3 that we want to get games into. I reckon Voges would push back on any attempt to hurt the development of Jayden Goodwin so the national team can play musical chairs with their line-up. There's not enough of a difference between 3 and 4 for it to become a mandate, imo.

It should be and the test side should override a domestic side. If he’s going to bat 3, do it across the board. Similarly Lab should open

 

[cricketnut14]

2 questions sorry:

Was Inglis a concussion sub, or sub fielder? I.e. does it count as a test match played for him?

the other thing to note as well, carey was dismissed and had completed his innings.
so inglis has effectively played as a sub fielder.

the smith/marnus situation in 2019 was different as marnus completed smith's innings.

someone smarter than me here will be able to tell us otherwise.

 

[Borisdog]

It should be and the test side should override a domestic side. If he’s going to bat 3, do it across the board. Similarly Lab should open

I'm not sure how much say the National selectors have in State selection, but within reason they've gotta bat somewhere close to their test match spot.

What I WILL say is that the batsmen HAVE to play the first few games of shield.
The only excuse is injury.
None of this bullshit that happened at the start of last season.

That'd be the FIRST thing out of my mouth as a selector to the Test squad incumbents prior to the start of the Shield matches.