List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[CaptainRisky]

Tony is the 0.1%.

Yes I know you're his number one fan boy

 

[sainter7]

Noah Anderson having a seriously good game. Current contract ends end of 2027.

Max King and a first round pick for Noah Anderson?

Dreaming

 

[sainter7]

You are so off here it’s not funny. The issue with academy is regarding the exclusive access. We never had exclusive access to Windy or Owens. Any team could have taken them.

Furthermore having FS’s and academies allows you to make draft mistakes because you can offset those guys.

Lastly, I love when people criticise our drafting over the prior 15 years, but don’t acknowledge that we’ve replaced our recruiter. Like what do you suppose we do.

We had exclusive access after pick 20 with those two, we were praying mitchy would get past 20. But yes obvs teams had a chance for first round. Ross is right. First round should be clean and then idgaf if it's crazy after that.

 

[kernelT]

Why?
Swans did look good ….GWS just went a level better …doesn’t change our efforts against a very good Swans outfit???

You talk too much shit (and not much footy I notice) ….that may be closer to the mark??

You were trolling and waffling on with some crap about how Sydney playing okay somehow meant we are not shit.

We are 5-13 and the only side to lose to West Coast all year bud… but keep spanking about how Ross has us humming in your imagination.

 

[Joffaboy]

They do and they don't. We have benefited from NGA in Owens and Windhager and also look like benefiting from Fincher this coming draft as he looks a talent. Yes father sons we haven't, but if we done our part and drafted accordingly, we wouldn't be crying about it every single week. I think everyone agrees that the system is broken in some way shape or form, however mentioning it in every press conference pre or post game is just getting tiresome. For a coach who loves to trot out the line of we focus on what we can control, he sure as hell loves to focus on everything thats out of his control.

Our decline in structure and kicking skills are imo more of a priority that he should be worried about, as he will soon find himself out of a job.

Every single club could have taken Owens or Windhager with many passing twice. How is that a benefit?
F/S is,an absolute rort and both need to be called out as such.
Now other clubs are getting on board

 

[SaintJunior]

We have a problem when it comes to key position players at both ends of the ground and im watching our very own 198cm Oscar Adams who we thought was usless and delisted him play for GC currently.

We blame academies, draft quality and everything else under the sun in every press conference. Someone might want to tell the President and the coach about what is happening internally with the way we have wasted numerous top 18 draft picks while every club around us has drafted elite level talent. Since 2014 until 2021, we hang out hat on Max Hall yet get blind sided by players who should be at their absolute peak right now in McCartin, Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Gresham, Coffield, Clark can also add in King (Rozee, B.King, Smith and Butters all top 12 picks after Max) thus far that have been a failure. We have hit only 1 elite player in Nas with years of not only top 18 picks but either top 5 or top 10.

I can't think of a club who has a worse strike rate than us when it comes to recruiting top 18 picks since 2014.

Hence why we went out and head hunted Dalrymple.

So think the club is well aware and it I no way changes the clubs campaign against the rort that is academies .

 

[sainter7]

Hence why we went out and head hunted Dalrymple.

So think the club is well aware and it I no way changes the clubs campaign against the rort that is academies .

This is spot on. Just cos we make mistakes or may lose players, doesn't mean there isn't a rort. Caroline Wilson saying it's a PR disaster if we lose Nas because we've been complaining about academies all year. It's got bloody nothing to do with each other. All clubs make mistakes. We aren't saying that drafting billings over bont didn't hurt us, but gold Coast have had swings and misses too but no one mentions that cos they get kissed on the c*** by the afl and the misses aren't as crucial. I'm glad we're speaking up cos if no one does, this will continue for years and it causes 15 years of unfairness as that's a players career span.

 

[70s sainter]

This is spot on. Just cos we make mistakes or may lose players, doesn't mean there isn't a rort. Caroline Wilson saying it's a PR disaster if we lose Nas because we've been complaining about academies all year. It's got bloody nothing to do with each other. All clubs make mistakes. We aren't saying that drafting billings over bont didn't hurt us, but gold Coast have had swings and misses too but no one mentions that cos they get kissed on the c*** by the afl and the misses aren't as crucial. I'm glad we're speaking up cos if no one does, this will continue for years and it causes 15 years of unfairness as that's a players career span.

Guaranteed other southern clubs with the exception of bulldogs and magpies are absolutely loving the fact that stKilda is flying the flag and starting conversations about it as they sit back like timid ****s and say nothing. Other supporters who follow ess Carlton etc and call the saints whingers are so naive it’s not funny.

 

[Ads734]

We had exclusive access after pick 20 with those two, we were praying mitchy would get past 20. But yes obvs teams had a chance for first round. Ross is right. First round should be clean and then idgaf if it's crazy after that.

But that’s the point right isn’t it? Exclusive access to the best talent is the issue.

Ie
Sam Darcy
Ashcroftx2
Daicos
JUH before his blow up.
Heeney

The purpose of this draft is for these guys to the worst teams. Not teams challenging for top 4 or who have just won the premiership. It defies any kind of logic.

 

[sainter7]

Guaranteed other southern clubs with the exception of bulldogs and magpies are absolutely loving the fact that stKilda is flying the flag and starting conversations about it as they sit back like timid ****s and say nothing. Other supporters who follow ess Carlton etc and call the saints whingers are so naive it’s not funny.

Definitely. Chris Scott has joined. Haven't heard any go after him calling him a whinger. We were first to call out the afl for its bs biase for making the northern clubs stronger to grow the game at the expense of southern clubs and we're the only whingers?

 

[botts]

Guaranteed other southern clubs with the exception of bulldogs and magpies are absolutely loving the fact that stKilda is flying the flag and starting conversations about it as they sit back like timid ****s and say nothing. Other supporters who follow ess Carlton etc and call the saints whingers are so naive it’s not funny.

Carlton are Firmly against any changes to the fs rule. Probably because they get the number one pick next year

 

[sainter7]

But that’s the point right isn’t it? Exclusive access to the best talent is the issue.

Ie
Sam Darcy
Ashcroftx2
Daicos
JUH before his blow up.
Heeney

The purpose of this draft is for these guys to the worst teams. Not teams challenging for top 4 or who have just won the premiership. It defies any kind of logic.

Yep sorry, was agreeing with u if it wasn't clear

 

[sainter7]

Carlton are Firmly against any changes to the fs rule. Probably because they get the number one pick next year

And guarantee they will flip the year after that lmao

 

[SainterinSydney]

Yes I know you're his number one fan boy

The guy has a track record which is better than anyone on here. If I'm wrong on that, please tell me.

 

[CaptainRisky]

The guy has a track record which is better than anyone on here. If I'm wrong on that, please tell me.

TBH Brainstrust blokes wearing viking caps don't instill me with confidence, if you want to follow him around like a puppy good for you

 

[SainterinSydney]

TBH Brainstrust blokes wearing viking caps don't instill me with confidence, if you want to follow him around like a puppy good for you

 

[gringo2011]

Then draft Barratt who is a massive project. Definitely a bit odd list management with the KPDs although Clav and Van Es haven't found their way back to AFL, yet.

Both doing well in the SANFL which some say is a better pathway back and better paid and set up. They find you jobs and guide their players better there.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Hence why we went out and head hunted Dalrymple.

So think the club is well aware and it I no way changes the clubs campaign against the rort that is academies .

And Damian Carroll.

While our drafting cops criticism, it was our development that was truly the issue.

 

[gringo2011]

Every single club could have taken Owens or Windhager with many passing twice. How is that a benefit?
F/S is,an absolute rort and both need to be called out as such.
Now other clubs are getting on board

Not one club put up a bid for Calsher Deer. Looks potentially elite. Sometimes they all get it wrong. Wilkie didn't get picked up twice.

 

[gringo2011]

Hence why we went out and head hunted Dalrymple.

So think the club is well aware and it I no way changes the clubs campaign against the rort that is academies .

Toce was absolutely elite. Sadly it ended up fortuitous timing but it looks like his legacy at the Tigers will be one of the all-time great hauls. The great man was our best since Bevo Snr.

 

[Joffaboy]

Toce was absolutely elite. Sadly it ended up fortuitous timing but it looks like his legacy at the Tigers will be one of the all-time great hauls. The great man was our best since Bevo Snr.

He went into quarantine for 2 weeks up in the GC in 2020 and then spent a couple of months in SA watching SANFL and juniors.
From that I can confidently say we got NAZ, Pou, Sharman, probably Keeler.
Dontvknow if he was involved with Wilkie in 2019.

 

[Teflon]

You were trolling and waffling on with some crap about how Sydney playing okay somehow meant we are not shit.

We are 5-13 and the only side to lose to West Coast all year bud… but keep spanking about how Ross has us humming in your imagination.

I think we’ve been ok last 5 weeks or so ? I didn’t expect to beat top 8 sides given where we are currently at ….but I get it …in your simple little head it’s all win/loss and unicorns!!
You just keep pissin n moaning like usual.

 

[Teflon]

This is spot on. Just cos we make mistakes or may lose players, doesn't mean there isn't a rort. Caroline Wilson saying it's a PR disaster if we lose Nas because we've been complaining about academies all year. It's got bloody nothing to do with each other. All clubs make mistakes. We aren't saying that drafting billings over bont didn't hurt us, but gold Coast have had swings and misses too but no one mentions that cos they get kissed on the c*** by the afl and the misses aren't as crucial. I'm glad we're speaking up cos if no one does, this will continue for years and it causes 15 years of unfairness as that's a players career span.

Great post
It’s fck all to do with our draft stuff ups
More to do with how many “free swings” clubs get at it due to system that’s flawed

 

[gringo2011]

And Damian Carroll.

While our drafting cops criticism, it was our development that was truly the issue.

Development is more than just training and fitness. Playing bulk kids in shit side, poor positioning, selection integrity and lots of other things go into it.

 

[gringo2011]

He went into quarantine for 2 weeks up in the GC in 2020 and then spent a couple of months in SA watching SANFL and juniors.
From that I can confidently say we got NAZ, Pou, Sharman, probably Keeler.
Dontvknow if he was involved with Wilkie in 2019.

Think he got the main gig from being SA talent manager didn't he?