List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I'm serious; I don't remember what was happening on the injury front in 2015 but if you take our two best (arguably) key position players from this year's side... say, Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

and Weitering (the 'structure' I was talking about in my last post) and O'Farrell for appearances sake, and replace them with any other players on our list, then that leaves a demonstrably worse side on paper than one we could have theoretically fielded in 2015. Our two best KPPs (arguably) might sound like a lot to secede but it's pretty tenuous stuff if you think about it and other players in the competition are rapidly overtaking them.

Our hope doesn't lie in the next three years.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Really interested as to why we would.delist Cincotta?
I would delist 10 before him. He plays tough
Is it injury related?

He is a bit like Ed Curnow in that the only role he can play is as a stagger, and in our midfield there is no room for a tagger, if we need to lock down that goes to George.

 

[Red_man2008]

I would happily pay Jack $700-750k for 5 years. No issue

In new salary cap structure it isn't much and the kid is Carlton all the way. This is more than money for me. This is history and heart and I believe playing FB (which people attacked me for suggesting) he could be a pillar for us for next 5-6 years

I see his signature as a key to us bouncing back quickly and for many reasons

$18,253,000 shared amongst 40 players is $455,000 per player. Being the 10-12 players are either rookies or first year or second year players. Minimum pay for these players is $150,000. So 25% of our list is likely on $200-300,000. So the average senior player is on around $530,000. It’s not a stretch to put him on $750,000 for 4-5 years.

 

[woof39]

JSOS is worth what the market has set for him. If Pies offer is 4 or 5 years on a bit more coin, then pay up Carlton. Very good value here if you think about how free agency contracts are steadily increasing every year.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

$18,253,000 shared amongst 40 players is $455,000 per player. Being the 10-12 players are either rookies or first year or second year players. Minimum pay for these players is $150,000. So 25% of our list is likely on $200-300,000. So the average senior player is on around $530,000. It’s not a stretch to put him on $750,000 for 4-5 years.

Have you accounted for X number on say $1m?

 

[Kruezing]

Based on Jack's output the last 3 years $700k seems a very good offer, quite possible in 2 years time Dean & O'Farrell will be keys in our defence structure.

Also feel our window has passed & Wright may believe getting more young talent rather paying more to some of $ driven players.

Got to get the balance right between youth and heart and soul consistent types … that is offloading players that actually play with maximum effort consistently will not lead to any place good imo … Jack has to be retained … for so many other reasons as well … I for one who am as rusted on as anyone will turn off auto renewal on my memberships next year if a Silvagni is running around for the filth … everybody has their limits … for some it’s poor performance etc but I’ve stuck with with them through all that but this would be my tipping point … but that’s just me …

 

[mochacinolatte]

Going to get flamed, but Motlop will be a late boomer. Watch out next year with a full pre-season.

 

[Pinnell]

If Jack leaves will he trigger band 1 compo? If he does, are we more comfortable with him going?

 

[lily of laguna]

Going to get flamed, but Motlop will be a late boomer. Watch out next year with a full pre-season.

You are allowed your opinion, let’s hope you’re correct.
He is still very young and has time/room for a lot of growth.
I don’t the structure or game style does him or Durds any favours.
Move on Fogarty, Evans before those 2.

 

[Accidental genius]

Going to get flamed, but Motlop will be a late boomer. Watch out next year with a full pre-season.

I’m not sure tbh but There is a chance some of our players (including motlop) play better under a better coaching system.

One good thing about Motlop he gives 100% effort.

If we attacked more and improved our ball movement and i50 deliveries our smalls should do better.

 

[Thrawn]

No one complained about Motlop when he was kicking important goals in the SF in 2023.

The ability is there. It's all in the head.

 

[Stamos]

Sammy Edmund saying on crunch time our offer to SOS is a 4 year deal closer to $700k than $600k per year.

He’s not very good at maths though.
He said closer to 700, but then said the contract was 2.5m (which is 625k per year).

So who knows which figure is correct?

I’m inclined to believe Jake Niall’s article “near enough to $600,000”.

 

[Accidental genius]

Something like that.
What's Williams got left?
Who's the next highest? Cerra?

Williams was front end loaded wasn't he so he might only be on $10M a year by now

 

[Gointocarlton]

If Jack leaves will he trigger band 1 compo? If he does, are we more comfortable with him going?

He is a FA, I thought only RFA's triggered compo, good be wrong though.

 

[Gointocarlton]

I’m of the camp, who are not overly concerned with who we move on. As long as we nail the players coming in.

We need players with a combination of the qualities (below).

1. Speed
2. Foot skills
3. IQ
4. Mongrel
5. Leadership

One or two with all 5 qualities would make me so happy I would cry.

 

[carlton_99]

If Jack leaves will he trigger band 1 compo? If he does, are we more comfortable with him going?

Would be band 2 or 3 based on the reported offers of around 700K. Band 1 would probably need something closer to 900K.

 

[agro]

No one complained about Motlop when he was kicking important goals in the SF in 2023.

The ability is there. It's all in the head.

He finds it difficult to get separation in traffic - but there’s something there I think - just needs consistency - as you perhaps all in the head.

 

[Gointocarlton]

He finds it difficult to get separation in traffic - but there’s something there I think - just needs consistency - as you perhaps all in the head.

Too my eye, he needs to just slow it all down a fraction. I think he rushes everything he does and either falls over, fluffs the disposal, runs into trouble, or fumbles. He gets to the right spots and creates opportunities, just lacks a bit of composure and I feel like if it slowed down just that little bit, composure will come along with better outcomes for him.

 

[Soapy V]

Going to get flamed, but Motlop will be a late boomer. Watch out next year with a full pre-season.

I 100% agree. In a proper structure and with standards I am confident Motlop will be a very good player

 

[AT97]

Seems a bit of overspend, but still worth to keep him because we look so much better there with him and Weiters. Need to look after HOF and Dean and give them time to put on size which probably take them 3+ pre-seasons.

I be filthy if we offered more than 1 year to McGovern.

less than 1 year would be pretty reasonable.

 

[lukep_86]

Going to get flamed, but Motlop will be a late boomer. Watch out next year with a full pre-season.

After seeing what he's capable of in the 2023 finals series, I've been waiting paitently for him to show that form again. Unfortunately, for a range of reasons, it hasn't happened.

Hoping you're right and that he can prove the doubters wrong.

 

[V23]

I 100% agree. In a proper structure and with standards I am confident Motlop will be a very good player

His playing weight is too heavy, he has no pace, no agility, average skills, can’t break a tackle, and has low awareness.

If his last name was Evans instead of Motlop, maybe people would be able to see that he’s just not up to it.

 

[Alice]

The players have shown the ability though.
In 2023 and the first two thirds of 24, the talent was good enough.

Likewise the coaching

 

[Gavstar]

Saints now offering TDK 8 years at $1.8M on Ch7 Sports news bulletin in Slowbart

 

[jj1978]

Saints now offering TDK 8 years at $1.8M on Ch7 Sports news bulletin in Slowbart

For them to keep upping, we either have upped or he really doesn’t want to go there….