Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[doppleganger]

I read somewhere Collingwood have 17 games in their home state this year. Not sure is that's right. It would be easy to check though.

It would be easy to check, but a key trait of the VICBias sooking is not to bother to check their "facts".

If that figure of 17 is correct, (plus finals) and a guaranteed home GF, Collingwood fans have no business being within 100ks of this thread.

I take it you are pushing the travel is biggest obstacle any teams face line.

That isn't a VIC v Non-Vic issue.

The teams that have the most interstate trips are GWS and GC, with 14 and 13 each. Then Brisbane with 11.

Hawks have the same number as SA and WA teams...all with 10.

Collingwood have equal least with 6 - same as Carl, Ess and Richmond.

Only a disengenuos posters would group Hawthorn who travel 10 times with Carlton who travel just 6 times...but that is what VICBias wowsers like to do.

The myth is that playing plenty of neutral games is the better fixture.

Results indicate that playing more games where you enjoy a home ground advantage over your opponent and being familiar at your "away" venues despite travelling more is actually the better fixture.

 

[kranky al]

It would be easy to check, but a key trait of the VICBias sooking is not to bother to check their "facts".

I take it you are pushing the travel is biggest obstacle any teams face line.

That isn't a VIC v Non-Vic issue.

The teams that have the most interstate trips are GWS and GC, with 14 and 13 each. Then Brisbane with 11.

Hawks have the same number as SA and WA teams...all with 10.

Collingwood have equal least with 6 - same as Carl, Ess and Richmond.

Only a disengenuos posters would group Hawthorn who travel 10 times with Carlton who travel just 6 times...but that is what VICBias wowsers like to do.

The myth is that playing plenty of neutral games is the better fixture.

Results indicate that playing more games where you enjoy a home ground advantage over your opponent and being familiar at your "away" venues despite travelling more is actually the better fixture.

<~<Players embarking on cross-continent journeys to link up with their national teams are likely to suffer travel fatigue and jet lag. Travel fatigue comes into play if journeying north-south, south-north or crossing less than three times zone>>

How does travel fatigue and jet lag affect footballers? - FIFPRO World Players' Union

With the culmination of March’s international window for men’s players and the April international window for women’s players approaching, we are reminded about the extensive travel workload of elite footballers.

fifpro.org

Ten physically trained men underwent testing at 0900 h and 1700 h local time on four consecutive days 2 wk before outbound travel (BASE), and the first 4 d after 21 h of outbound (WEST) and return (EAST) air travel across eight time zones between Australia and Qatar. Data collection included performance (countermovement jump, 20-m sprint, and Yo-Yo intermittent recovery level 1 [YYIR1] test) and perceptual (jet lag, motivation, perceived exertion, and physical feeling) measures. In addition, sleep was measured via wrist activity monitors and self-report diaries throughout the aforementioned data collection periods.

Results: Compared with the corresponding day at BASE, the reduction in YYIR1 distance after EAST was significantly different from the increase in WEST on day 1 after travel (P < 0.001). On day 2, significantly slower 20-m sprint times were detected in EAST compared with WEST (P = 0.03), with large effect sizes (ES) also indicating a greater reduction in YYIR1 distance in EAST compared with WEST (d = 1.06). Mean sleep onset and offset were significantly later and mean time in bed and sleep duration were significantly reduced across the 4 d in EAST compared with BASE and WEST (P < 0.05). Lastly, mean jet lag, fatigue, and motivation ratings across the 4 d were significantly worse in EAST compared with BASE and WEST (P < 0.05) and WEST compared with BASE (P < 0.05).

Conclusions: Long-haul transmeridian travel can impede team sport physical performance. Specifically, east travel has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet lag, fatigue, and motivation. Consequently, maximal and intermittent sprint performance is also reduced after east travel, particularly within 72 h after arrival.

Greater Effect of East versus West Travel on Jet Lag, Sleep, and Team Sport Performance - PubMed

Long-haul transmeridian travel can impede team sport physical performance. Specifically, east travel has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet lag, fatigue, and motivation. Consequently, maximal and intermittent sprint performance is also reduced after east travel, particularly...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Constant travel leaves athletes jet lagged and at risk of blood clots, which can become dangerous if they enter the lungs through the circulatory system
• Ailing limbs can swell during flight, which only serves to exacerbate injuries
• Most professional sports teams fly charter jets with business class accommodations, such as larger seats that swivel to allow for card games
• Developments in the understanding of sleep and fatigue have prompted teams across several different sports to adjust their travel schedules to emphasize rest
• With the help of athletic brands like Nike and Reebok, futuristic cabin configurations have been developed by tech companies that feature 'smart toilets' and seat sensors that can detect an athlete's physiological changes
• North American teams traveling to play in China or Europe may need up to five nights of 'good rest' for their circadian rhythm to fully recover from the journey
• Depending on the opening kickoff time, West Coast teams can either be at a tremendous advantage or disadvantage when playing on the East Coast

Winning at 39,000 feet: How athletes gain an edge on the road

Swelling injuries, jet lag, and potentially deadly blood clots are a few of the obstacles that come with air travel. Here's how pro jocks are gaining a competitive edge at 39,000 feet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

3ASE (p<0.05). Conclusions: Specifically, travel east has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet-lag,
atigue and motivation. Consequently, maximal- and intermittent-sprint performance is also reduced following travel east, particularly within 72 h following arrival.

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blog.performancelab16.com

To quantify the impact of eastward long haul travel on diurnal variations in cortisol, psychological sensations and daily measurements of physical performance. Five elite Australian skeleton athletes undertook a long haul eastward flight from Australia to Canada (LH(travel)), while seven elite Canadian skeleton athletes did not travel (NO(travel)). Salivary cortisol was measured on awakening, 60 min and 120 min after awakening. Psychological sensations were measured with a questionnaire, and maximal 30 m sprints were performed once a day between 09:30 and 11:00 h local time. Compared with baseline, average (SD) resting salivary cortisol decreased by 67% immediately after long haul travel (23.43 (5.71) nMol/l) (mean+/-90% confidence interval) in the LH(travel) group (p = 0.03), while no changes were found in the NO(travel) group (p = 0.74). There were no significant differences in 30 m sprint time between baseline and post-flight tests in the LH(travel) group (p>0.05).

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[doppleganger]

Cherry pick? 17 years isn’t a big enough sample size? Wow! That’s not cherry picking, it’s pure statistics through a really significant sample size.

It is obvious cherry picking

Who the **** ever selects a 17 as the basis for a sample?

 

[Humblebob]

It is obvious cherry picking

Who the **** ever selects a 17 as the basis for a sample?

This man would be happy to watch his club cease to exist, put him on ignore

 

[Humblebob]

<~<Players embarking on cross-continent journeys to link up with their national teams are likely to suffer travel fatigue and jet lag. Travel fatigue comes into play if journeying north-south, south-north or crossing less than three times zone>>

How does travel fatigue and jet lag affect footballers? - FIFPRO World Players' Union

With the culmination of March’s international window for men’s players and the April international window for women’s players approaching, we are reminded about the extensive travel workload of elite footballers.

fifpro.org

Ten physically trained men underwent testing at 0900 h and 1700 h local time on four consecutive days 2 wk before outbound travel (BASE), and the first 4 d after 21 h of outbound (WEST) and return (EAST) air travel across eight time zones between Australia and Qatar. Data collection included performance (countermovement jump, 20-m sprint, and Yo-Yo intermittent recovery level 1 [YYIR1] test) and perceptual (jet lag, motivation, perceived exertion, and physical feeling) measures. In addition, sleep was measured via wrist activity monitors and self-report diaries throughout the aforementioned data collection periods.

Results: Compared with the corresponding day at BASE, the reduction in YYIR1 distance after EAST was significantly different from the increase in WEST on day 1 after travel (P < 0.001). On day 2, significantly slower 20-m sprint times were detected in EAST compared with WEST (P = 0.03), with large effect sizes (ES) also indicating a greater reduction in YYIR1 distance in EAST compared with WEST (d = 1.06). Mean sleep onset and offset were significantly later and mean time in bed and sleep duration were significantly reduced across the 4 d in EAST compared with BASE and WEST (P < 0.05). Lastly, mean jet lag, fatigue, and motivation ratings across the 4 d were significantly worse in EAST compared with BASE and WEST (P < 0.05) and WEST compared with BASE (P < 0.05).

Conclusions: Long-haul transmeridian travel can impede team sport physical performance. Specifically, east travel has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet lag, fatigue, and motivation. Consequently, maximal and intermittent sprint performance is also reduced after east travel, particularly within 72 h after arrival.

Greater Effect of East versus West Travel on Jet Lag, Sleep, and Team Sport Performance - PubMed

Long-haul transmeridian travel can impede team sport physical performance. Specifically, east travel has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet lag, fatigue, and motivation. Consequently, maximal and intermittent sprint performance is also reduced after east travel, particularly...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Constant travel leaves athletes jet lagged and at risk of blood clots, which can become dangerous if they enter the lungs through the circulatory system
• Ailing limbs can swell during flight, which only serves to exacerbate injuries
• Most professional sports teams fly charter jets with business class accommodations, such as larger seats that swivel to allow for card games
• Developments in the understanding of sleep and fatigue have prompted teams across several different sports to adjust their travel schedules to emphasize rest
• With the help of athletic brands like Nike and Reebok, futuristic cabin configurations have been developed by tech companies that feature 'smart toilets' and seat sensors that can detect an athlete's physiological changes
• North American teams traveling to play in China or Europe may need up to five nights of 'good rest' for their circadian rhythm to fully recover from the journey
• Depending on the opening kickoff time, West Coast teams can either be at a tremendous advantage or disadvantage when playing on the East Coast

Winning at 39,000 feet: How athletes gain an edge on the road

Swelling injuries, jet lag, and potentially deadly blood clots are a few of the obstacles that come with air travel. Here's how pro jocks are gaining a competitive edge at 39,000 feet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

3ASE (p<0.05). Conclusions: Specifically, travel east has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet-lag,
atigue and motivation. Consequently, maximal- and intermittent-sprint performance is also reduced following travel east, particularly within 72 h following arrival.

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blog.performancelab16.com

To quantify the impact of eastward long haul travel on diurnal variations in cortisol, psychological sensations and daily measurements of physical performance. Five elite Australian skeleton athletes undertook a long haul eastward flight from Australia to Canada (LH(travel)), while seven elite Canadian skeleton athletes did not travel (NO(travel)). Salivary cortisol was measured on awakening, 60 min and 120 min after awakening. Psychological sensations were measured with a questionnaire, and maximal 30 m sprints were performed once a day between 09:30 and 11:00 h local time. Compared with baseline, average (SD) resting salivary cortisol decreased by 67% immediately after long haul travel (23.43 (5.71) nMol/l) (mean+/-90% confidence interval) in the LH(travel) group (p = 0.03), while no changes were found in the NO(travel) group (p = 0.74). There were no significant differences in 30 m sprint time between baseline and post-flight tests in the LH(travel) group (p>0.05).

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www.researchgate.net

Awesome research mate, should we base everyone else within 1 hour of Perth so you don’t have to deal with this indignity anymore?

Perhaps we just delete 4 clubs, who walked so others could run and break the hearts of millions to please one state?

Shorten the season and play everyone once? Bet the players will be happy with the salary decrease.

Play everyone twice and play games mid week? Run the season year round? Seems feasible.

 

[doppleganger]

Awesome research mate, should we base everyone else within 1 hour of Perth so you don’t have to deal with this indignity anymore?

Would be good to know which AFL athletes are flying from Australia to Qatar or Canada between games!

Or which AFL players are like American baseballers who are travelling 80+ times a season.

But even so, my favorite was the conclusion in the skeleton article he quoted -
Conclusions: Despite athletes perceiving themselves as ‘‘jet lagged’’, minimal disturbances in ‘‘one-off’’ maximal sprinting ability between 09:30 and 11:00 h local time were seen in a group of elite skeleton athletes after long haul eastward travel from Australia to Canada.

So even after travelling from Australia to Canada, there was no significant change in performance...but the athletes reported they believed they were jet lagged!!

And the poor bugger somehow thinks any of it is relevant to VICBias, when Hawthorn travel further than SA teams!?

 

[blue harvest]

<~<Players embarking on cross-continent journeys to link up with their national teams are likely to suffer travel fatigue and jet lag. Travel fatigue comes into play if journeying north-south, south-north or crossing less than three times zone>>

How does travel fatigue and jet lag affect footballers? - FIFPRO World Players' Union

With the culmination of March’s international window for men’s players and the April international window for women’s players approaching, we are reminded about the extensive travel workload of elite footballers.

fifpro.org

Ten physically trained men underwent testing at 0900 h and 1700 h local time on four consecutive days 2 wk before outbound travel (BASE), and the first 4 d after 21 h of outbound (WEST) and return (EAST) air travel across eight time zones between Australia and Qatar. Data collection included performance (countermovement jump, 20-m sprint, and Yo-Yo intermittent recovery level 1 [YYIR1] test) and perceptual (jet lag, motivation, perceived exertion, and physical feeling) measures. In addition, sleep was measured via wrist activity monitors and self-report diaries throughout the aforementioned data collection periods.

Results: Compared with the corresponding day at BASE, the reduction in YYIR1 distance after EAST was significantly different from the increase in WEST on day 1 after travel (P < 0.001). On day 2, significantly slower 20-m sprint times were detected in EAST compared with WEST (P = 0.03), with large effect sizes (ES) also indicating a greater reduction in YYIR1 distance in EAST compared with WEST (d = 1.06). Mean sleep onset and offset were significantly later and mean time in bed and sleep duration were significantly reduced across the 4 d in EAST compared with BASE and WEST (P < 0.05). Lastly, mean jet lag, fatigue, and motivation ratings across the 4 d were significantly worse in EAST compared with BASE and WEST (P < 0.05) and WEST compared with BASE (P < 0.05).

Conclusions: Long-haul transmeridian travel can impede team sport physical performance. Specifically, east travel has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet lag, fatigue, and motivation. Consequently, maximal and intermittent sprint performance is also reduced after east travel, particularly within 72 h after arrival.

Greater Effect of East versus West Travel on Jet Lag, Sleep, and Team Sport Performance - PubMed

Long-haul transmeridian travel can impede team sport physical performance. Specifically, east travel has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet lag, fatigue, and motivation. Consequently, maximal and intermittent sprint performance is also reduced after east travel, particularly...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

• Constant travel leaves athletes jet lagged and at risk of blood clots, which can become dangerous if they enter the lungs through the circulatory system
• Ailing limbs can swell during flight, which only serves to exacerbate injuries
• Most professional sports teams fly charter jets with business class accommodations, such as larger seats that swivel to allow for card games
• Developments in the understanding of sleep and fatigue have prompted teams across several different sports to adjust their travel schedules to emphasize rest
• With the help of athletic brands like Nike and Reebok, futuristic cabin configurations have been developed by tech companies that feature 'smart toilets' and seat sensors that can detect an athlete's physiological changes
• North American teams traveling to play in China or Europe may need up to five nights of 'good rest' for their circadian rhythm to fully recover from the journey
• Depending on the opening kickoff time, West Coast teams can either be at a tremendous advantage or disadvantage when playing on the East Coast

Winning at 39,000 feet: How athletes gain an edge on the road

Swelling injuries, jet lag, and potentially deadly blood clots are a few of the obstacles that come with air travel. Here's how pro jocks are gaining a competitive edge at 39,000 feet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

3ASE (p<0.05). Conclusions: Specifically, travel east has a greater detrimental effect on sleep, subjective jet-lag,
atigue and motivation. Consequently, maximal- and intermittent-sprint performance is also reduced following travel east, particularly within 72 h following arrival.

Loading…

blog.performancelab16.com

To quantify the impact of eastward long haul travel on diurnal variations in cortisol, psychological sensations and daily measurements of physical performance. Five elite Australian skeleton athletes undertook a long haul eastward flight from Australia to Canada (LH(travel)), while seven elite Canadian skeleton athletes did not travel (NO(travel)). Salivary cortisol was measured on awakening, 60 min and 120 min after awakening. Psychological sensations were measured with a questionnaire, and maximal 30 m sprints were performed once a day between 09:30 and 11:00 h local time. Compared with baseline, average (SD) resting salivary cortisol decreased by 67% immediately after long haul travel (23.43 (5.71) nMol/l) (mean+/-90% confidence interval) in the LH(travel) group (p = 0.03), while no changes were found in the NO(travel) group (p = 0.74). There were no significant differences in 30 m sprint time between baseline and post-flight tests in the LH(travel) group (p>0.05).

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www.researchgate.net

Lucky we don't play games in Qatar or Canada as those studies show it would somewhat affect performance.

 

[Ross]

The Pies narrowly winning their 'away' game against the Dogs at the MCG at the start of this season is looking to be pretty pivotal to the make up of the eight this year.

The Dogs asked for that game to be at the G for their 100 anniversary but it's a bit like when Melbourne plays a non-Vic team in Alice Springs. The club's execs look to sell these games because they want/need the extra cash but ultimately it's their players who have to play at the unfamiliar venue and so they're the ones being disadvantaged while the away club wins out by not having to play at the regular venue.

 

[demondavey]

It is obvious cherry picking

Who the **** ever selects a 17 as the basis for a sample?

Well go back another 17 and it’s basically the start of the AFL.

Remember Andrew D had a conniption about non vic flags and called for an investigation? You know, the whole VFL boys club thing?

Wonder where the investigation was after the next 6 years when we had one non Vic premier? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t.

Give up pal, there’s a response that’s better than all your one eyed crap.

 

[demondavey]

This man would be happy to watch his club cease to exist, put him on ignore

You’re going to put me on ignore for saying Melbourne are terrible, likely commercially unviable and a minnow club? Wow, what happened to honesty?

 

[demondavey]

Awesome research mate, should we base everyone else within 1 hour of Perth so you don’t have to deal with this indignity anymore?

Perhaps we just delete 4 clubs, who walked so others could run and break the hearts of millions to please one state?

Shorten the season and play everyone once? Bet the players will be happy with the salary decrease.

Play everyone twice and play games mid week? Run the season year round? Seems feasible.

Oh wow. More poor me without actually reading it and understanding what it means. Again, some facts that you’re happy to ignore as opposed to your own one eyed opinions.

How about we respect the travel and structure the fixture accordingly?

Who cares about ditching 4 clubs if you want complete commercial viability?

 

[doppleganger]

The Pies narrowly winning their 'away' game against the Dogs at the MCG at the start of this season is looking to be pretty pivotal to the make up of the eight this year.

The Pies always play a home game at Marvel against the Marvel tenants.

Home V StK at Marvel
Away V Dogs at G

This year they actually balanced it out for us, most years they don't.

The Dogs asked for that game to be at the G for their 100 anniversary but it's a bit like when Melbourne plays a non-Vic team in Alice Springs. The club's execs look to sell these games because they want/need the extra cash but ultimately it's their players who have to play at the unfamiliar venue and so they're the ones being disadvantaged while the away club wins out by not having to play at the regular venue.

You are correct that it is an obvious reduction in on field advantage.

But good luck convincing the VICBias wowsers of that, they pretend they still lose out and the home ground advantage magically transfers to a random ground in the NT or WA!!

 

[Ross]

The Pies always play a home game at Marvel against the Marvel tenants.

Home V StK at Marvel
Away V Dogs at G

Not really focusing on the Pies here, more that the Dogs might have stitched themselves up by their need for cash. The Pies are the obvious choice for any club wanting to draw a big crowd, it's a minor advantage you occasionally get but it's hard to argue against when the other club is the one who wants it.

You are correct that it is an obvious reduction in on field advantage.

But good luck convincing the VICBias wowsers of that, they pretend they still lose out and the home ground advantage magically transfers to a random ground in the NT or WA!!

I agree, I think we're in a stalemate about whether Geelong playing at the MCG is neutral or away but Melbourne vs Freo (or whoever) in Alice Springs is 100% a neutral game and so a relative advantage to Freo (or whoever) compared to playing in Melbourne, be it the MCG or Docklands.

 

[kranky al]

The Pies narrowly winning their 'away' game against the Dogs at the MCG at the start of this season is looking to be pretty pivotal to the make up of the eight this year.

The Dogs asked for that game to be at the G for their 100 anniversary but it's a bit like when Melbourne plays a non-Vic team in Alice Springs. The club's execs look to sell these games because they want/need the extra cash but ultimately it's their players who have to play at the unfamiliar venue and so they're the ones being disadvantaged while the away club wins out by not having to play at the regular venue.

It’s a vicious circle.

You can either never or rarely play the venue and you are screwed come gf day or you can give up your hga and compromise your season by playing “home” games there.

In 2015 gf half our team had played less than two right down to 0 games ever at the mcg.

By the end of his career our clubs games record holder had played 31 games at the mcg - 20 of which were losses.

He is number 38 on the most games played in vfl / afl history and he only played 31 games at the grand final venue over an 18 year career.

 

[Carringbush2010]

When long established clubs are on a permadrip doubling their income compared to other clubs whilst selling games interstate…..



*Looks at thread title.


*Looks at the current reigning world champ of non sequiturs

*Looks at the thread title again

* Looks at :
that ain't gonna change.


*Looks at the current reigning world champ of non sequiturs

*Looking at the thread title intensifies….

*Notices ONCE AGAIN - aside from non sequiturs that “give up” is being used once again

Well then what? If you can't change it then what?

Instead of throwing your toys and using 'non sequiturs' blah blah blah, tell us all what you're going to do about it.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Give up post No #6578



Dude, no one cares about you saying give up. No one is listening to you. Nothing in this world ever got changed by giving up.

Seems you do care and are listening.

I'm not giving up, I'm quite content with the landscape the way it is, there's nothing I have to 'give up' we've had this conversation before and you're still here crying about vic centrism.

It is YOU who seem to have a problem with the way the footy landscape, so what are gonna do about it?

 

[doppleganger]

Not really focusing on the Pies here, more that the Dogs might have stitched themselves up by their need for cash. The Pies are the obvious choice for any club wanting to draw a big crowd, it's a minor advantage you occasionally get but it's hard to argue against when the other club is the one who wants it.

That is why consistently note that of all the Melbourne based teams, Collingwood are in best position as we don't need the $$.

It really should be obvious that if a club ain't playing a home ground at their home ground that any home ground advantage they enjoy with respect to their opponents is reduced.

But the VICBias wowsers think otherwise, you get to keep your home ground advantage if you are selling it and travel magically doesn't have any impact.

I agree, I think we're in a stalemate about whether Geelong playing at the MCG is neutral or away but Melbourne vs Freo (or whoever) in Alice Springs is 100% a neutral game and so a relative advantage to Freo (or whoever) compared to playing in Melbourne, be it the MCG or Docklands.

Geelong experience a reduced disadvantage as they themselves have built familiarity and enjoy strong crowd support in their 5+ games at the G.

 

[Humblebob]

It’s a vicious circle.

You can either never or rarely play the venue and you are screwed come gf day or you can give up your hga and compromise your season by playing “home” games there.

In 2015 gf half our team had played less than two right down to 0 games ever at the mcg.

By the end of his career our clubs games record holder had played 31 games at the mcg - 20 of which were losses.

He is number 38 on the most games played in vfl / afl history and he only played 31 games at the grand final venue over an 18 year career.

Man continuously screams at wind in hope that it will change.

Who's the team that's played the most at Optus since it's been open? Would it be more than once a year?

You know all the answers to these questions you keep posing but refuse to use logic as to why they actually happen. It's like talking with Children who's siblings got a better toy. The worlds unfair sometimes friend and perfect balance is extremely hard to achieve, not only in sport but in life itself.

You can either bemoan your horrible luck ad nauseam or get the Frick on with it and understand why circumstance and reality have demanded it.

 

[Ross]

Geelong experience a reduced disadvantage as they themselves have built familiarity and enjoy strong crowd support in their 5+ games at the G.

You're kidding yourself if you think the crowds are at all close to even for a packed MCG game against the Pies. But whatever, it's good, there's nothing like a packed MCG for a finals game and if we somehow 'earn' a home final against the Pies this year it should and will be played at the MCG and it'll be an awesome spectacle. I don't think we really have a case to argue anymore for getting home finals, we drew over 90K for a Brisbane prelim last year and even a final against GWS or Gold Coast this year would bring in over 60K.

I think H&A games are different though and we should play the Pies and the other big Victorian teams at home once every few years at the very least.

 

[demondavey]

Well then what? If you can't change it then what?

Instead of throwing your toys and using 'non sequiturs' blah blah blah, tell us all what you're going to do about it.

Why should it be up to him? Any offering that’s provided you’ll shut down anyway.

 

[demondavey]

For me, the issue is not Collingwood playing 14 MCG games. They’re a massive club with a massive support base and there’s a lot of tickets to be sold every week. Fair hit. The issue is the back ended MCG games and virtual lack of travel. It happened to Richmond in 18 and 19 as well.

Travel as a factor has already been discussed, statistically and factually it’s been discussed and it’s relevant. If you’re going to disagree with it you’re a MAGA conspiracist or just dim. If Collingwood alternates the last 8-9 weeks between the G and playing interstate then they are hitting the finals much more fairly given they could be (will be) top 4 and could get 3x MCG games.

By all means schedule those MCG games against non tenant sides, but put them on the road the others and even send them to Geelong one week. If it’s going to cause supporter anguish then give them another MCG game to keep them quiet.

WC play X amount of games at home at what’s called a proper HG advantage, however they simply have to travel. Why does Collingwood get basically no travel leading into finals? From round 14-15 onwards it should be week in week out. Front load their MCG games.

 

[demondavey]

Man continuously screams at wind in hope that it will change.

Who's the team that's played the most at Optus since it's been open? Would it be more than once a year?

You know all the answers to these questions you keep posing but refuse to use logic as to why they actually happen. It's like talking with Children who's siblings got a better toy. The worlds unfair sometimes friend and perfect balance is extremely hard to achieve, not only in sport but in life itself.

You can either bemoan your horrible luck ad nauseam or get the Frick on with it and understand why circumstance and reality have demanded it.

Ironic that if things changed against Collingwood you’d be the first pack of sooks carrying on about the other kids and their shiny toys.

You’ve literally got the rub of the green in draw, travel and finals preparation and you’re giving life lessons about fairness? You couldn’t even accept that Darcy Moore was worthy of a suspension for dropping his knees, god forbid he was actually rubbed out, you’d have demanded a royal commission.

 

[JackOutback]

Man continuously screams at wind in hope that it will change.

Who's the team that's played the most at Optus since it's been open? Would it be more than once a year?

You know all the answers to these questions you keep posing but refuse to use logic as to why they actually happen. It's like talking with Children who's siblings got a better toy. The worlds unfair sometimes friend and perfect balance is extremely hard to achieve, not only in sport but in life itself.

You can either bemoan your horrible luck ad nauseam or get the Frick on with it and understand why circumstance and reality have demanded it.

So your suggestion is do nothing, change nothing?

There used to be a required number of games at the G every weekend of finals. People complained about the inherent unfairness. Plenty of Vics shouted 'tradition'. It changed. More changes will happen despite your best attempts to retain your unfair advantages.

 

[LoungeLizard]

So your suggestion is do nothing, change nothing?

There used to be a required number of games at the G every weekend of finals. People complained about the inherent unfairness. Plenty of Vics shouted 'tradition'. It changed. More changes will happen despite your best attempts to retain your unfair advantages.

Leave the comp.
Join the WAFL and play all games in WA.

I don't see why 16 other clubs should change because of WA sooks.

Just leave, no-one over here will miss you.

 

[JackOutback]

Leave the comp.
Join the WAFL and play all games in WA.

I don't see why 16 other clubs should change because of WA sooks.

Just leave, no-one over here will miss you.

No.