Opinion What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? - Part 2

[cuttlefish]

Stop allocating the marquee games to the same two teams every year. ie. Share the anzac day game among more clubs. No two teams deserve it more than others.

 

[Blackhawk42]

People advocating for a day Grand Final are low I.Q individuals arguing for a pointless and irrelevant tradition even though the tradition of solely daytime football stopped in 1985. "Tradition" isn't an argument for a daytime Grand Final, because if it was, then the simpletons pushing this would have to hypocritcally argue that all other finals and H&A games should be played during the day, which they won't because they are low I.Q hypocrites.

Arguments for a night Grand Final:
1. The TV ratings would be higher
2. The Grand Final entertainment would be better at night
3. 70% of Home and Away games are played at night or twilight (or under a roof) with a yellow ball, meaning it is fairer on the players to play with a yellow ball in a timeslot that is more familiar.
4. All the other finals are played at night.

Arguments for a daytime Grand Final
NONE

Points and 1 and 2 mean genuinely NOTHING to the majority of AFL fans.

Point 3 makes no sense.

Point 4 isn't true. Two finals are usually played in the daytime/twilight. In week 1, and then usually the second preliminary final.

 

[Coolangatta]

The issue is going to be having enough good players. Not revenues.

With the national fertility rate at 1.6 (only 1.4 in Melbourne) and current demographic trends, the player pool is actually shrinking.

This is going to be a massive issue and the general footy public haven't yet figured it out but you can't beat demographics.

In 20 years from now we simply won't have the players.

It's already starting to become a problem now.

If you don't believe me have a good look at the Eagles list.

Not everyone would agree with that. North have a lot of high picks and are still shit. It’s not just about the players.

I’ve seen some say that our population is massive compared to what it was in the 90s when we had 16 teams.

Don’t have all the numbers off the top of my head, but declining birth rates have never stopped immigration - in fact, they’ve increased the need for it.

Although, more population doesn’t mean more interest, especially if most the immigration is coming from Asia and India.

In any case, I do agree that the talent pool is the only and I mean only valid argument against aggressive expansion.

I do not give a flying **** about “it makes it harder to win a flag” argument. It always has been uneven.

I don’t think promotion and relegation are necessary at 22 teams. I do push for that at the least so ACT and NT don’t miss out, plus WA would be the smartest choice for a third club in a state - I do have a bias towards the South West Sharks branding, though.

If the Roos stopped trying to be delusional about staying relevant in Melbourne and went to Canberra, then we could add NT and cap it at 20.

You make a decent case for capping it, I just have a different vision and interpretation of what a truly national comp looks like compared to some like McAvaney who believes the NT is the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle.

I think that narrative is pushed partly because no one wants to go to 22 teams so the Giants are pushed as Canberra’s team which they are not.

In any case, if we go to 19, we’ll go to 20 and it’s probably going to end up being WA3 anyway.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Stop allocating the marquee games to the same two teams every year. ie. Share the anzac day game among more clubs. No two teams deserve it more than others.

That's not an unpopular opinion.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Greg Swann is just another footy guy flog.

Within 2 months next season he'll be up there bullshitting with the best of 'em.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Greg Swann is just another footy guy flog.

Within 2 months next season he'll be up there bullshitting with the best of 'em.

Potentially true.

However, if he abolishes the sub he'll be in my good graces for 2 years minimum.

 

[Dan26]

Points and 1 and 2 mean genuinely NOTHING to the majority of AFL fans.

Point 3 makes no sense.

Point 4 isn't true. Two finals are usually played in the daytime/twilight. In week 1, and then usually the second preliminary final.

Point 1 and 2 mean a hell of a lot to the economics of football which is more important than hurting the feelings of a few low I.Q idiots who want the Grand Final to be played in the same timeslot that Saturday matinee movies are played.

Point three makes perfect sense. 70% of games are played at night or twilight with a yellow ball. The Grand Final is played in the timeslot that the fewest amount of games are played in. Therefore, it is fairer, and makes more sense to play the game at night.

Point 4 IS true. EVERY final last year (except the Grand Final) was played at night/twilight with a yellow ball. Even the Sydney vs GWS Qualifying Final which started during the day finished at night and was played with the better yellow ball.




People that advocate for the Grand Final to played during the day are morons. There is not a single thing anyone could point to, that a day Grand Final has over a night Grand Final. Not one.

 

[Mr Meow]

Point 1 and 2 mean a hell of a lot to the economics of football which is more important than hurting the feelings of a few low I.Q idiots who want the Grand Final to be played in the same timeslot that Saturday matinee movies are played.

Point three makes perfect sense. 70% of games are played at night or twilight with a yellow ball. The Grand Final is played in the timeslot that the fewest amount of games are played in. Therefore, it is fairer, and makes more sense to play the game at night.

Point 4 IS true. EVERY final last year (except the Grand Final) was played at night/twilight with a yellow ball. Even the Sydney vs GWS Qualifying Final which started during the day finished at night and was played with the better yellow ball.

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People that advocate for the Grand Final to played during the day are morons. There is not a single thing anyone could point to, that a day Grand Final has over a night Grand Final. Not one.

Sunlight.

Geez, you'd have to be a certified moron to miss that one.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Interstate teams should get 14 home games a year. Vic based clubs make up the difference with dual hosted home games at MCG

 

[Underarm]

I’d love to see our game become truly national.

For many people, that just means having the NT but without ACT it’s not truly national IMO.

Let’s put the A in AFL.

Why stop there? why not Jervis bay? Why not Norfolk Island?

 

[Cam Payne]

Why stop there? why not Jervis bay? Why not Norfolk Island?

Christmas Island Crabs.

 

[jannissary]

That's 3 finals in 1 year. The math is daunting

we need to start up our peptides program again

 

[Dan26]

Sunlight.

Geez, you'd have to be a certified moron to miss that one.

I asked for advantages that a day Grand Final has. Sunlight is a disadvantage because of the shadows on the ground and the dark-coloured red ball against the crowd. The yellow ball (which is brighter) and the elimination of shadows is yet another reason why night is the better option.

 

[Mr Meow]

I asked for advantages that a day Grand Final has. Sunlight is a disadvantage because of the shadows on the ground and the dark-coloured red ball against the crowd. The yellow ball (which is brighter) and the elimination of shadows is yet another reason why night is the better option.

Sounds oddly vampiric. Most Aussies love the sun, Spring day, have some beers and a BBQ, maybe hit the town or a party later if you're that way inclined.

You're carrying on as if players genuinely find it difficult to play at an outdoor stadium with a red ball during the day. Or that it somehow isn't good to watch. I find it all a bit bizarre to be honest. I guess that makes it an unpopular opinion though, so good call putting it in this thread (unpopular being the incessant need to call everyone who doesn't demand a night GF, a low IQ moron).

 

[raskolnikov]

People advocating for a day Grand Final are low I.Q individuals arguing for a pointless and irrelevant tradition even though the tradition of solely daytime football stopped in 1985. "Tradition" isn't an argument for a daytime Grand Final, because if it was, then the simpletons pushing this would have to hypocritcally argue that all other finals and H&A games should be played during the day, which they won't because they are low I.Q hypocrites.

Arguments for a night Grand Final:
1. The TV ratings would be higher
2. The Grand Final entertainment would be better at night
3. 70% of Home and Away games are played at night or twilight (or under a roof) with a yellow ball, meaning it is fairer on the players to play with a yellow ball in a timeslot that is more familiar.
4. All the other finals are played at night.

Arguments for a daytime Grand Final
NONE

If I were a player I would hate a nighttime Grand Final. Imagine having to wait around all day to play the biggest game of your life.

As an NRL fan I believe that the atmosphere of a day grand final shits all over the atmosphere of a night grand final. A night grand final seems like an anticlimax.

 

[Dan26]

If I were a player I would hate a nighttime Grand Final. Imagine having to wait around all day to play the biggest game of your life.

As an NRL fan I believe that the atmosphere of a day grand final shits all over the atmosphere of a night grand final. A night grand final seems like an anticlimax.

This is (respectfully) such rubbish. Do players hate night-time Preliminary Finals because they have to wait around all day? Do players hate elimination finals because they have to wait around all day? Do players hate Friday night football because they have to wait around all day? Does that mean we scrap Friday night football because you dislike waiting around for all day as a fan? You could take that flawed logic with any event held at night.

None of these are reasons.

There is literally NO valid reason for a day Grand Final. none.

The TV ratings are better at night
The entertainment is better at night
70% if all games are played at night/twilight so night is fairer and more familiar.
It's aesthetically superior because of the yellow ball and no shadows on the ground.

 

[Dan26]

Sounds oddly vampiric. Most Aussies love the sun, Spring day, have some beers and a BBQ, maybe hit the town or a party later if you're that way inclined.

So why not advocate for all games to be played during the day with that ridiculous logic? 70% of games are played at night/twilight, the TV ratings are better and entertainment is better.

 

[Blackhawk42]

So why not advocate for all games to be played during the day with that ridiculous logic? 70% of games are played at night/twilight, the TV ratings are better and entertainment is better.

This is still opinion based. You're presenting it so firmly as if it's simply fact.

I've said this to plenty of people in the past 2 years, but that KISS pre-game set in 2023 imprinted itself on my brain because of how unique it looked to have the black outfits, the make-up and the fireball pyrotechnics presented in glorious sunshine.

So you can use the 'entertainment is better at night' argument all you want, but it doesn't mean it's an objective truth.

 

[Dan26]

This is still opinion based. You're presenting it so firmly as if it's simply fact.

I've said this to plenty of people in the past 2 years, but that KISS pre-game set in 2023 imprinted itself on my brain because of how unique it looked to have the black outfits, the make-up and the fireball pyrotechnics presented in glorious sunshine.

So you can use the 'entertainment is better at night' argument all you want, but it doesn't mean it's an objective truth.

Oh come on, be realistic. Yes “technically” it’s an opinion that entertainment is better at night… but c’mon. Let’s not bullshit each other. Entertainment is better at night. The lights, the fireworks, the dark background lit up. We all know the entertainment is better at night if we are honest with each other.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

People advocating for a day Grand Final are low I.Q individuals arguing for a pointless and irrelevant tradition even though the tradition of solely daytime football stopped in 1985. "Tradition" isn't an argument for a daytime Grand Final, because if it was, then the simpletons pushing this would have to hypocritcally argue that all other finals and H&A games should be played during the day, which they won't because they are low I.Q hypocrites.

Arguments for a night Grand Final:
1. The TV ratings would be higher
2. The Grand Final entertainment would be better at night
3. 70% of Home and Away games are played at night or twilight (or under a roof) with a yellow ball, meaning it is fairer on the players to play with a yellow ball in a timeslot that is more familiar.
4. All the other finals are played at night.

Arguments for a daytime Grand Final
NONE

Let's not forget trying to enhance the international viewing market, if that was ever to become a target audience.

3pm - 6pm EST = 6am-9am GWT, 10pm-1am US West Coast, 1am-4am US East Coast
8pm - 11pm EST = 11am-2pm GWT, 3am-6am US West Coast, 6am-9am US East Coast

There's not a huge amount of difference. It's all pretty unsuitable to any international streaming markets.

 

[Quivorir]

I and almost everyone I've asked about this could not give a shit about the entertainment.

 

[jannissary]

I and almost everyone I've asked about this could not give a shit about the entertainment.

no don't you understand we NEED to appeal to everyone by making our game as close to popular international sports as possible! we NEED big americans to be the entertainment at our sporting event otherwise it won't be talked about overseas!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's SO important

 

[The Sultan]

I and almost everyone I've asked about this could not give a shit about the entertainment.

what about the plus one of C-suite Execs who gets free tickets. she needs something to badly dance / sing to after her fifth glass of chardy. Before spending the second half throwing up in the dunnies, and then passing out in the dining area.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Arguments for a daytime Grand Final
NONE

Skills are better in a day grand final as there's no dew on the ground.

Better skills on display for the code's annual finale > ratings and peripheral entertainment being better.

Otherwise, why don't we just can the GF altogether and get a decent band to play on the night of the last Saturday in September?

 

[Coolangatta]

Why stop there? why not Jervis bay? Why not Norfolk Island?

Because obviously there’s a ****ing difference between a population of hundreds and thousands of people (especially Canberra) and a few hundred people to a couple thousand at best that has no chance of ever growing, you disingenuous clown.

But yeah, **** the ACT and NT because there’s ten teams in Victoria, right?