List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[tomjoad]

Wonder if that was our idea to get his price to skyrocket, to hopefully scare off any suitors?

Yeah, I think there's more going on than what any of us know, when it comes to these contracts and what this mob is trying to "build"
NAS's form has gone nuclear, but Windy has also gone up a few gears too... there's a good bit to play out, and a shit load of insane posting to enjoy. Off season in this joint is going to be F*cking Wild

 

[Dr Spaceman]

The more I think about it I reckon tomorrow’s the day. Team selection, RTB presser, main day for a Saturday game.

And….

IT’S THE SEVENTH!!!!

 

[beside the seaside]

I think Port are trying to convince Williams that they can get a deal done. That's what all this talk is by the Port guys saying they can do it with futures.

If it hinges on what Butters is doing then it could be a very long wait.

 

[Joffaboy]

Just heard from an impeccable source that all the other impeccable sources aren't really that impeccable.

 

[phantom13]

The one thing im really struggling with is all this talk that we had massive room in the cap. Enough to offer TDK 1.7 and throw out 2m to Rowell to see if he was at all keen.

Now surely we still have that 2m laying around. And even if we were originally putting aside a max of 1.2 it still means that we should have plenty spare.

What are we missing? We've been told that we have been better with our contracts and having money 'saved'

FWIW I did a quick take off of the Nas @$1.5m, TDK @$1.7m and Rowell @$2m and there is no ****ing way it would work (shorthand it would mean we had the three highest paid players in the league this year and the current highest paid limit inside the top 25 was the dogs with Naughton @$1.3m and Bont @$1.1m) It was and is bullshit, we couldnt have gotten Rowell.

If we pay Nas even $1.5m and get TDK we will still have the two highest paid players in the league now obviously we can (and should) do that and we know weve got money laying around (no reason to think we cant pay Nas $2m) but the Rowell, TDK and Nas still was fantasy.

 

[gubby88]

FWIW I did a quick take off of the Nas @$1.5m, TDK @$1.7m and Rowell @$2m and there is no ****ing way it would work (shorthand it would mean we had the three highest paid players in the league this year and the current highest paid limit inside the top 25 was the dogs with Naughton @$1.3m and Bont @$1.1m) It was and is bullshit, we couldnt have gotten Rowell.

If we pay Nas even $1.5m and get TDK we will still have the two highest paid players in the league now obviously we can (and should) do that and we know weve got money laying around (no reason to think we cant pay Nas $2m) but the Rowell, TDK and Nas still was fantasy.

so....what your saying is, the media wouldnt have a clue


well f.uk a duck.....

 

[TheJackal]

So Boak retires and he is lauded for being a one club player despite the pull of home and his Mum not wanting him to ever leave Victoria. Same club trying to get Nas, AFL is weird when it comes to lOyAlTy

 

[BarkerFan]

Posted by BackfromUSA on SS unsure of accuracy/history:


“Multiple VERY good sources say he will sign, but then again, I had an impeccable source that Lyon would sign that next morning as coach and he walked to Freo the next morning. I am told that the cost of NAS will mean that one lined up recruit may not be afforded unless a back ended deal can be swung - and it is not TDK - or we sacrifice current players.

Who could foresee that the value of NAS would double this year AND 50% alone in the past 6 or 7 weeks.”

If the lines up player is Aleer then it is another win if we don't get him

 

[phantom13]

so....what your saying is, the media wouldnt have a clue


well f.uk a duck.....

Been saying it for years, most of their shit is made up.

The Callaghan story was such a ****ing beat up, it seems clear we either asked or got told what Finn would cost if he would consider a move home and all of a sudden we were offering him 10 years at $1.7m.

Rowell would have been the same is my tip. If whoever ran with the Rowell story spent 4 minutes on an excel spreadsheet they would have seen it wouldnt work. Those three as stated, plus our next best 8 players at an average of $750k would mean the remaining 34 players on the list would get paid about $140k each (which includes Windy, Wilson, Travag, Tauru etc etc etc)

 

[pebblesofsand]

Posted by BackfromUSA on SS unsure of accuracy/history:


“Multiple VERY good sources say he will sign, but then again, I had an impeccable source that Lyon would sign that next morning as coach and he walked to Freo the next morning. I am told that the cost of NAS will mean that one lined up recruit may not be afforded unless a back ended deal can be swung - and it is not TDK - or we sacrifice current players.

Who could foresee that the value of NAS would double this year AND 50% alone in the past 6 or 7 weeks.”

So if this was to be believed then who is the mystery "recruit" that throws a spanner in the works that would require offloading players or a back ended deal given that NWM $1.5M. TDK $1.5M, Leek Aleer $750K is all doable.

Can't be a cheapie if this is to be believed.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Yup, we'll get what we get and we won't get upset. Except obviously we will get upset.

Berry and Whitlock could end up good players and they are two players from what was supposed to be a deep and excellent draft. Obviously time will tell about the full extent of that quality. Add them on top of Tauru and Trav and it’s looking alright. Saints were heavily into Berry on draft night so I’d expect he would be part of the conversation.

Getting promising young players is much more easier to swallow than future first rounders in 2026, 2027.

No trade will fully offset Nas, however, it’s now time to really start thinking what a trade looks like. The far majority of players don’t extend their contract this late into the season. I’d love to be incorrect on this one and Nas signs on. I would be very happy even if Nas signs a two year deal.

 

[phantom13]

So if this was to be believed then who is the mystery "recruit" that throws a spanner in the works that would require offloading players or a back ended deal given that NWM $1.5M. TDK $1.5M, Leek Aleer $750K is all doable.

Can't be a cheapie like Aleer if this is to be believed.

I think the point is Nas is now worth more than $1.5m

TDKs figure seems to move more than Rossys waistline after the rooters sponsorship too. Was $1.7m, then $1.8m sometimes its $1.3m and youve got $1.5m.

If Nas becomes $1.7m and TDK is $1.7m (the most common reported figure) then Aleers $750k would look more difficult (especially considering Windy and others all want more now too)

 

[phantom13]

Berry and Whitlock could end up good players and they are two players from what was supposed to be a deep and excellent draft. Obviously time will tell about the full extent of that quality. Add them on top of Tauru and Trav and it’s looking alright. Saints were heavily into Berry on draft night so I’d expect he would be part of the conversation.

Getting promising young players is much more easier to swallow than future first rounders in 2026, 2027.

No trade will fully offset Nas, however, it’s now time to really start thinking what a trade looks like. The far majority of players don’t extend their contract this late into the season. I’d love to be incorrect on this one and Nas signs on.

AFAIC Whitlock is in for a future third or something, he was a second rounder, hes shown nothing to suggest hes any better than that. He has zero relevance in the context of a NAS trade, frankly id rather thats done seperately to no convolute the NAS trade.

Butter
Berry, Bergman and pick(s)
A whole lot of picks they need to get in from elsewhere

In that order for me.

 

[Darrian Barnett]

I think NAS is our best player, nonetheless, I see your point. I've noticed the cheap possessions too over the last month. He's being used for every play, and not always for the best play.

While he's unsigned I'm happy for everything to run through him, even if there's some dinky kicks and mistakes along the way.

Hopefully next year once he's signed, we can reign him in a little and tell him to stop asking for every ball outside 50

 

[jimmytigs]

While he's unsigned I'm happy for everything to run through him, even if there's some dinky kicks and mistakes along the way.

Hopefully next year once he's signed, we can reign him in a little and tell him to stop asking for every ball outside 50

i saw him at one point take the ball off wilkie for a kick in,i reckon wilkie thought about it,saw who it was and handed him the ball,if it was someone else the captain of the backline probably tells him to piss off

whatever works to keep him i guess

 

[pebblesofsand]

I think the point is Nas is now worth more than $1.5m

TDKs figure seems to move more than Rossys waistline after the rooters sponsorship too. Was $1.7m, then $1.8m sometimes its $1.3m and youve got $1.5m.

If Nas becomes $1.7m and TDK is $1.7m (the most common reported figure) then Aleers $750k would look more difficult (especially considering Windy and others all want more now too)

Like everyone else (including the media) I'm guessing, but I always take 10% to 20% off the "media" price.

They love big figures and usually add on every possible incentive payment to make the figure look even higher.

 

[phantom13]

Like everyone else (including the media) I'm guessing, but I always take 10% to 20% off the "media" price.

They love big figures and usually add on every possible incentive payment to make the figure look even higher.

Even doing that its two guys at $1.5m.

Both would now be the highest paid players in the AFL.

Its not my mail, could be total bullshit but i can see why two guys taking $3m might make a speculative $750k incoming a concern.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Just heard from an impeccable source that all the other impeccable sources aren't really that impeccable.

I heard he was staying, but it was from a peccable source so not worth mentioning. Oh shit i just did.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We really need Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

and Jake Carlisle to drop round to TDK's place with some of the good stuff, then film him on social media looking something like this....

Guaranteed to bring the salary down.

 

[StCicatriz]

I’d say offering his cousin - who has been an entire year out of the AFL system, a list spot should he re-sign, Is Massive evidence that in/around June - it wasn’t about money.

I mean, that doesn’t make Nas richer.

The player since that report of “the club thinks it’s got its man” - which let’s be honest has come from the club. Has been in some insane form.

• Hawthorn 43 disposals 0.3 (that last quarter onball)
• Sydney (tagged by Jordan) 24 disposals 6r50s 4i50s 3 Centre clearances
• Geelong 36 disposals 2.2
• Melbourne 34 disposals 4.1

A few weeks later Caro then reported that Williams claimed Nas was actually undecided and shelved talks in the middle of that streak.

He is going to get his player paid, but that’s not a reflection of the club low balling him or SOS trying to outsmart himself.

Why are you still struggling with this...

Everyone has accepted nas wants to go home. Thats the main thing for him.

The point people were making is that if we are going to keep him it absolutely has to turn and be about the money.

You need to offer him enough to where the appetite to return home isn't as strong anymore.

If you way to winning him over and forget about home sickness is to offer him less than port and Adelaide over two years then he's as good as gone.

Its the most ridiculous list management strategy ive ever heard. Its so had it beats trading pick 1 for croad.

 

[HeavenlySources]

Posted by BackfromUSA on SS unsure of accuracy/history:


“Multiple VERY good sources say he will sign, but then again, I had an impeccable source that Lyon would sign that next morning as coach and he walked to Freo the next morning. I am told that the cost of NAS will mean that one lined up recruit may not be afforded unless a back ended deal can be swung - and it is not TDK - or we sacrifice current players.

Who could foresee that the value of NAS would double this year AND 50% alone in the past 6 or 7 weeks.”

Sounds like information from the St Kilda camp. Deal is being worked out but we are balking at the $$$ because we had our heart set on attacking trade and FA after this year and the extra 800k per year for Nas wasn't in the budget. We are wanting a long term commitment so the money can be moved around to suit our cap needs year by year.

 

[StCicatriz]

You really do contradict yourself a lot
So now you’re say they didn’t put effort into Battle ? You have said many many times the club did everything they could and it was all Battle

Its getting redic now

 

[Significant]

So if this was to be believed then who is the mystery "recruit" that throws a spanner in the works that would require offloading players or a back ended deal given that NWM $1.5M. TDK $1.5M, Leek Aleer $750K is all doable.

Can't be a cheapie if this is to be believed.

Worpel

 

[Murraj1966]

Sounds like information from the St Kilda camp. Deal is being worked out but we are balking at the $$$ because we had our heart set on attacking trade and FA after this year and the extra 800k per year for Nas wasn't in the budget. We are wanting a long term commitment so the money can be moved around to suit our cap needs year by year.

Gotta pay the money for Nas as priority one

Not getting TDK or Aleer will be drops in the ocean compared to not retaining Nas

 

[StCicatriz]

This might be against the grain.

But what if old mate BW has been engaging the club in good faith, Nas indicated he wanted the 2 year extension, but as times dragged on Nas has been reluctant to sign on due to the pull home, and BW has been actively trying to push up the $ as a means to get Nas across the line and avoid doing a deal with either SA club as he knows it’s very unlikely to work for his client?

I think the more the $ rises, it also gives Nas more scope to beef up his family support network in Melbourne, which the manager would be aware of.

As it stands its either: (a) Nas has made up his mind and expects a deal to be done to go home at season’s end: (b) genuinely hasn’t decided and is torn; or (c) intends to sign in coming weeks or season’s end when he’s happy with terms.

Out of all scenarios, I just couldn’t fathom BW (aka NAS) engaging the club in bad faith throughout the season.

Over thinking it.

It would be a case of getting all the offers on the table regardless of nas preference to present to his client

I'd say nas mind was made up a while back and now they're just buying time

I wouldn't call it acting in bad faith. He's giving the club every opportunity to change NAS mind. He's keeping dialog open.