Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

Folks, this is the way things are here.

Posters are responsible for what they post. Moderators can not attest to the accuracy or otherwise of any rumour posted.

Moderators will intervene for a couple of reasons.

1. If a thread is threatening to be derailed because of a post.

2. If invested parties request the removal of material.

None of this draws a conclusion as to the accuracy or otherwise of the original post.

There is no need to further speculate. What will be will be.

Also, you need to remember that this thread like all parts of this forum is bound by the rules of poster conduct. If you want to express skepticism towards a rumour that's fine, but having a crack at posters who are contributors to this forum is simply not on and will be acted upon.

Simply put, don't be a dick.

Thanks all!

 

[T2B_]

One thing I learnt is to avoid the main board. Its a cesspool.

I weaned myself off it years ago and only read this Carlton board.

Made all the worse by Collingwood trolls (among others) that somehow get away with Bay 13 level shit

 

[DangerousD]

I'm not a fan of arrogance, but at least SOS is FBOTC FFS. He's kinda earned a little arrogance.

Arrogance on the field maybe, but that’s not really what people are talking about here, once you get a office job, admin job or you pick the kids up from school, you’re just another worker or parent.

 

[DangerousD]

All you want to see is improvement every year that is based on sustainable processes and practises. Reaching for jelly bean sugar hits based on 'urges' dressed up as 'accountabilities' perched on 'entitled expectation' is a sure way to continual and repeating failures.

That isn't too much to expect is it?

Which is why i find it surprising that we have made very little changes to our assistant coaching group or our head of football role for so long, did people think that every one of our coaches were the best around? I know you preach continuity but the club needs to be able to assess weaknesses and make additions to the off field group as soon as possible

 

[Coops93]

The discussion on perspective the last page or 2 is good, and I think a sibling of the "investing too much into the winnings and losses of the team" is the getting personally offended when players explore their options.

We take offense to it because of the investment we give to the club. We spend out money and base our emotions, irrationally, on their ability to win or lose. We invest emotion into players as though they're our family to a degree, and expect them to feel the emotion for the club and for the winnings and losses that we do. So when they look at other clubs, we can't believe they'd "betray" us like that.

The reality is, they don't, and they shouldn't. Our job is to be fans and to support the club, the players, on the other hand, are literally doing a job of work. Yes it's different to our jobs, but at the end of the day it's what pays their bills and sets up their families for life. They go to work in this extremely high pressure and high attention industry that gets criticised to an inch of their lives, both internally and externally, which is extremely difficult as, most importantly, they are human. If another company comes along and offers something much better than what our offer is (financially or otherwise), who are we to judge? We would all do the same thing in our jobs.

 

[DamoESP]

I personally have no issues with Jack seeing what is out there, he is an UFA after all. If he stays, I think majority of supporters will have forgiven him come round 1 when he's probably still one of the only players to give 100% out on the field

Unfortunately I don't see the "effort" factor of our other senior players suddenly changing over the course of one off season.

 

[Coops93]

The post wasn't specifically about Jack, sure he's probably the most pertinent character in that scenario right now, it was broad swipes about player movement. For example, say Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. Charlie reportedly wants a lifestyle change, more access to beaches and surfing with a more laid back lifestyle out of the high pressure bubble.

That sounds reasonable to me, that is something we all have considered at one point or another. People every day move states/cities for similar lifestyle changes. That doesn't mean we let him go or anything, but to me we should be understanding instead of being "hard man" fans telling him off for even considering it. "Sorry Charlie, but you're staying. I get why you'd like that move but unless we get something significant (even then, no guarantees), we're keeping you" is more than enough.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Made all the worse by Collingwood trolls (among others) that somehow get away with Bay 13 level shit

You mean 'Vadge' ?

 

[morningbrown]

Riley Beveridge at Fox Sports.
But it's all a misunderstanding.. Fox Sports have their 'monthly birthdays' afternoon tea on the 13th of every month for their staff..

Riley overheard someone yelled 'The pies are out' which was the photo copier room boy taking the party pies out of the oven..

And Riley's run with it..

Not to step on the riff, but Riley hasn't been at Fox for years, he's at afl.com.au

 

[jungojungojungo]

There’s truth in what you’re saying, more than some people realise.

As I’ve shared before, my partner works in domestic violence. Through her, I’ve met many of her colleagues. They all know I’m deeply invested in sport, so naturally we’ve talked about its culture and impact. What they’ve told me is sobering: domestic violence spikes every time there’s a major sporting event. It’s not a myth. It’s not hearsay. The data is clear. During State of Origin, for example, there’s a measurable surge in incidents in the days that follow. Those numbers aren’t just statistics. They represent lives, families and futures disrupted or destroyed.

The irony is that for most of us, sport is supposed to be an outlet. A pressure valve in a world that feels heavier by the year. I know it is for me. Carlton, and to a lesser extent my other sports teams, is my escape from a life that can feel small and confined. As I've shared plenty before, I live with a spinal cord injury and a catalogue of other health challenges. They’re no longer the life-and-death threats they once were, but they’re still my daily reality. I exist within them.

That’s why the back half of the 2023 season was so special. While I was wrestling with my own private battles, Carlton’s late surge gave me something rare: unfiltered joy. I still have the video from that late afternoon on the Gold Coast, when Charlie Curnow took that match-saving mark to seal our finals spot right before the siren sounded. Thousands of us sang the club song together. For a few minutes, the world was wide open again.

Fast forward to 2025, and it has been the other side of the coin. We started as top-four hopefuls. Now we’re 14th, with finals gone before the halfway mark. On BigFooty, you can see the shift. Usually optimistic, generous posters now sound bitter and burnt out. The humour is more cutting, the patience thinner. Every loss reopens the wound and every press conference feels like another empty promise. People who once spoke of premiership windows now doubt whether we’ll ever get the culture right. These aren’t trolls. They’re smart, passionate, good people. But when you pour so much of yourself into something and get so little back, frustration turns into cynicism. That’s why you’ll find good people venting here. I’m no exception. This is our outlet, and this season our outlet has been turned into a dumpster fire.

Sport to me has always been like alcohol, you drink alcohol when you're happy to be happier, you shouldn't drink alcohol when you're sad to be happier. It just doesn't work.

My son was born on the pre-round 1 game in 2024 against Brissy. We had it on in the hospital. My missus yelled at me cos I cheered as Harry kicked the goal after the siren and I got distracted while changing a nappy.
Will be one of those days and one of those moments that I will never forget. A perfect moment for a perfect day.

In 2025 I've found myself switching Carlton off early (or not turning it on at all) and heading the park with my little lad instead.

Watching Carlton should be something that brings you joy, and if it turns you into someone else, someone you don't recognise, no one should give you shit for taking a step away.

 

[Chemical]

There’s truth in what you’re saying, more than some people realise.

As I’ve shared before, my partner works in domestic violence. Through her, I’ve met many of her colleagues. They all know I’m deeply invested in sport, so naturally we’ve talked about its culture and impact. What they’ve told me is sobering: domestic violence spikes every time there’s a major sporting event. It’s not a myth. It’s not hearsay. The data is clear. During State of Origin, for example, there’s a measurable surge in incidents in the days that follow. Those numbers aren’t just statistics. They represent lives, families and futures disrupted or destroyed.

The irony is that for most of us, sport is supposed to be an outlet. A pressure valve in a world that feels heavier by the year. I know it is for me. Carlton, and to a lesser extent my other sports teams, is my escape from a life that can feel small and confined. As I've shared plenty before, I live with a spinal cord injury and a catalogue of other health challenges. They’re no longer the life-and-death threats they once were, but they’re still my daily reality. I exist within them.

That’s why the back half of the 2023 season was so special. While I was wrestling with my own private battles, Carlton’s late surge gave me something rare: unfiltered joy. I still have the video from that late afternoon on the Gold Coast, when Charlie Curnow took that match-saving mark to seal our finals spot right before the siren sounded. Thousands of us sang the club song together. For a few minutes, the world was wide open again.

Fast forward to 2025, and it has been the other side of the coin. We started as top-four hopefuls. Now we’re 14th, with finals gone before the halfway mark. On BigFooty, you can see the shift. Usually optimistic, generous posters now sound bitter and burnt out. The humour is more cutting, the patience thinner. Every loss reopens the wound and every press conference feels like another empty promise. People who once spoke of premiership windows now doubt whether we’ll ever get the culture right. These aren’t trolls. They’re smart, passionate, good people. But when you pour so much of yourself into something and get so little back, frustration turns into cynicism. That’s why you’ll find good people venting here. I’m no exception. This is our outlet, and this season our outlet has been turned into a dumpster fire.

Post of the year

 

[T2B_]

There’s truth in what you’re saying, more than some people realise.

As I’ve shared before, my partner works in domestic violence. Through her, I’ve met many of her colleagues. They all know I’m deeply invested in sport, so naturally we’ve talked about its culture and impact. What they’ve told me is sobering: domestic violence spikes every time there’s a major sporting event. It’s not a myth. It’s not hearsay. The data is clear. During State of Origin, for example, there’s a measurable surge in incidents in the days that follow. Those numbers aren’t just statistics. They represent lives, families and futures disrupted or destroyed.

The irony is that for most of us, sport is supposed to be an outlet. A pressure valve in a world that feels heavier by the year. I know it is for me. Carlton, and to a lesser extent my other sports teams, is my escape from a life that can feel small and confined. As I've shared plenty before, I live with a spinal cord injury and a catalogue of other health challenges. They’re no longer the life-and-death threats they once were, but they’re still my daily reality. I exist within them.

That’s why the back half of the 2023 season was so special. While I was wrestling with my own private battles, Carlton’s late surge gave me something rare: unfiltered joy. I still have the video from that late afternoon on the Gold Coast, when Charlie Curnow took that match-saving mark to seal our finals spot right before the siren sounded. Thousands of us sang the club song together. For a few minutes, the world was wide open again.

Fast forward to 2025, and it has been the other side of the coin. We started as top-four hopefuls. Now we’re 14th, with finals gone before the halfway mark. On BigFooty, you can see the shift. Usually optimistic, generous posters now sound bitter and burnt out. The humour is more cutting, the patience thinner. Every loss reopens the wound and every press conference feels like another empty promise. People who once spoke of premiership windows now doubt whether we’ll ever get the culture right. These aren’t trolls. They’re smart, passionate, good people. But when you pour so much of yourself into something and get so little back, frustration turns into cynicism. That’s why you’ll find good people venting here. I’m no exception. This is our outlet, and this season our outlet has been turned into a dumpster fire.

I wish I could like this twice or more.

 

[agro]

There’s truth in what you’re saying, more than some people realise.

As I’ve shared before, my partner works in domestic violence. Through her, I’ve met many of her colleagues. They all know I’m deeply invested in sport, so naturally we’ve talked about its culture and impact. What they’ve told me is sobering: domestic violence spikes every time there’s a major sporting event. It’s not a myth. It’s not hearsay. The data is clear. During State of Origin, for example, there’s a measurable surge in incidents in the days that follow. Those numbers aren’t just statistics. They represent lives, families and futures disrupted or destroyed.

The irony is that for most of us, sport is supposed to be an outlet. A pressure valve in a world that feels heavier by the year. I know it is for me. Carlton, and to a lesser extent my other sports teams, is my escape from a life that can feel small and confined. As I've shared plenty before, I live with a spinal cord injury and a catalogue of other health challenges. They’re no longer the life-and-death threats they once were, but they’re still my daily reality. I exist within them.

That’s why the back half of the 2023 season was so special. While I was wrestling with my own private battles, Carlton’s late surge gave me something rare: unfiltered joy. I still have the video from that late afternoon on the Gold Coast, when Charlie Curnow took that match-saving mark to seal our finals spot right before the siren sounded. Thousands of us sang the club song together. For a few minutes, the world was wide open again.

Fast forward to 2025, and it has been the other side of the coin. We started as top-four hopefuls. Now we’re 14th, with finals gone before the halfway mark. On BigFooty, you can see the shift. Usually optimistic, generous posters now sound bitter and burnt out. The humour is more cutting, the patience thinner. Every loss reopens the wound and every press conference feels like another empty promise. People who once spoke of premiership windows now doubt whether we’ll ever get the culture right. These aren’t trolls. They’re smart, passionate, good people. But when you pour so much of yourself into something and get so little back, frustration turns into cynicism. That’s why you’ll find good people venting here. I’m no exception. This is our outlet, and this season our outlet has been turned into a dumpster fire.

Best summation and response to those posters who trot out the “negative poster/sad sack” attack to those of us who feel and understand the reality of our situation over the past 30 years.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

There’s truth in what you’re saying, more than some people realise.

As I’ve shared before, my partner works in domestic violence. Through her, I’ve met many of her colleagues. They all know I’m deeply invested in sport, so naturally we’ve talked about its culture and impact. What they’ve told me is sobering: domestic violence spikes every time there’s a major sporting event. It’s not a myth. It’s not hearsay. The data is clear. During State of Origin, for example, there’s a measurable surge in incidents in the days that follow. Those numbers aren’t just statistics. They represent lives, families and futures disrupted or destroyed.

The irony is that for most of us, sport is supposed to be an outlet. A pressure valve in a world that feels heavier by the year. I know it is for me. Carlton, and to a lesser extent my other sports teams, is my escape from a life that can feel small and confined. As I've shared plenty before, I live with a spinal cord injury and a catalogue of other health challenges. They’re no longer the life-and-death threats they once were, but they’re still my daily reality. I exist within them.

That’s why the back half of the 2023 season was so special. While I was wrestling with my own private battles, Carlton’s late surge gave me something rare: unfiltered joy. I still have the video from that late afternoon on the Gold Coast, when Charlie Curnow took that match-saving mark to seal our finals spot right before the siren sounded. Thousands of us sang the club song together. For a few minutes, the world was wide open again.

Fast forward to 2025, and it has been the other side of the coin. We started as top-four hopefuls. Now we’re 14th, with finals gone before the halfway mark. On BigFooty, you can see the shift. Usually optimistic, generous posters now sound bitter and burnt out. The humour is more cutting, the patience thinner. Every loss reopens the wound and every press conference feels like another empty promise. People who once spoke of premiership windows now doubt whether we’ll ever get the culture right. These aren’t trolls. They’re smart, passionate, good people. But when you pour so much of yourself into something and get so little back, frustration turns into cynicism. That’s why you’ll find good people venting here. I’m no exception. This is our outlet, and this season our outlet has been turned into a dumpster fire.

Every time I find myself getting frustrated and down about the Blues (and there has been plenty of times this year) I consciously take a minute and remind myself - this isn't life & death - this is something you do for enjoyment and you are a Carlton SUPPORTER. It is then that I start looking to Moir, HOK, Lord, Cowan and Carroll.

I have actually enjoyed the last 4 weeks because I adjusted my mindset.

People should also remember - part of the reason 2023 was so good was because of what we had gone through before.

We aren't as far away as the media will have us believe.

 

[Wickzki]

Every time I find myself getting frustrated and down about the Blues (and there has been plenty of times this year) I consciously take a minute and remind myself - this isn't life & death - this is something you do for enjoyment and you are a Carlton SUPPORTER. It is then that I start looking to Moir, HOK, Lord, Cowan and Carroll.

I have actually enjoyed the last 4 weeks because I adjusted my mindset.

People should also remember - part of the reason 2023 was so good was because of what we had gone through before.

We aren't as far away as the media will have us believe.

I missed the game against the Suns, live, but this is why every week recently I've tried to post a photo of a player in the "bright side" thread.

It's been a bloody terrible year but now that the season is cooked - and there's nothing that we can do to change it - among the disappointment and frustration I think it's important to balance it with finding the bright side. Some of these kids that we've been playing like Moir, Carroll, HOF (get well young man), etc. have given us so much to look forward to.

It's not the year that we wanted it to be and it hurts. However, it doesn't have ot be all bad.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Every time I find myself getting frustrated and down about the Blues (and there has been plenty of times this year) I consciously take a minute and remind myself - this isn't life & death - this is something you do for enjoyment and you are a Carlton SUPPORTER. It is then that I start looking to Moir, HOK, Lord, Cowan and Carroll.

I have actually enjoyed the last 4 weeks because I adjusted my mindset.

People should also remember - part of the reason 2023 was so good was because of what we had gone through before.

We aren't as far away as the media will have us believe.

No team is ever that far away in this sport. Yes a few years here and there but smart clubs bounce back fast by making difficult decisions.

I’m definitely in the camp of “we need to make some big changes” and that I think we can come back bigger and stronger in 2-3 years with smart trades and drafting, but we could bounce back hard next year without doing those things. What would I know…

Support the club, enjoy the good times and see some positives when times aren’t so good.

 

[JustaBattler]

Every time I find myself getting frustrated and down about the Blues (and there has been plenty of times this year) I consciously take a minute and remind myself - this isn't life & death - this is something you do for enjoyment and you are a Carlton SUPPORTER. It is then that I start looking to Moir, HOK, Lord, Cowan and Carroll.

I have actually enjoyed the last 4 weeks because I adjusted my mindset.

People should also remember - part of the reason 2023 was so good was because of what we had gone through before.

We aren't as far away as the media will have us believe.

100%

 

[JustaBattler]

Which is why i find it surprising that we have made very little changes to our assistant coaching group or our head of football role for so long, did people think that every one of our coaches were the best around? I know you preach continuity but the club needs to be able to assess weaknesses and make additions to the off field group as soon as possible

Having the right leadership acting in the right way consistently is a must - sans all that it is just spaghetti....

Pulling a bloke out of retirement and then seeing no change during his tenure isn't constant improvement at the margin.

The same CEO oversaw the continuance of the unbalanced list and pay structure not addressed - mind you the CEO didn't have a hand in choosing the coach ( Voss) or the Assistants OR the HOF - in fact the coach and assistants reported directly to a HOF that has seen a few coaches out and survived himself...

It may well be that the CEO decided some time ago - that his best job would be to help find a successor capable of being there for the long haul - and work from there.

So far so good AFAIC re Wright - I like how he has publicly stated his focus will be primarily on the Club getting on field performance right.

Llyod's position became untenable after the start of the season in line with calls for all coaches to be sacked.

Wright isnt going to be able to 'fix' everything overnight he doesnt have to - his HOF will be the next crucial appointment- the coach is already on notice..steady the ship and start improving things at the margins is his smart strategy - the only practical strategy in the real world.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

From a PM ...



JSOS not so much gone but being pushed.

Has received a take it or leave it offer & when the offer was presented, was told he was free to go elsewhere.

Club not too fussed if he decides to go.




#Bluemour

If this is the case, people might want to hedge their criticism of Jack.

If true, what is the logic here? HOF out for a year. Dean isn't coming in to play as the 2nd KPD right away.

One criticism of the Weitering/JSOS combo is they are both too slow for fast leading players.

 

[JustaBattler]

If this is the case, people might want to hedge their criticism of Jack.

If true, what is the logic here? HOF out for a year. Dean isn't coming in to play as the 2nd KPD right away.

One criticism of the Weitering/JSOS combo is they are both too slow for fast leading players.

No one knows the 'dynamics' at play inside the Club. Also who knows what credibility there is to opinion posted as a PM anyway.

As outsiders instead of jumping at shadows- all that can be dione is to look at actions and facts that are public.

Everyone would prefer that Jack stays and i happy to and is part of a united Club. That may not be a possibility or even probability though. IF not the CLub is better off and so is Jack - by definiiton.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

No one knows the 'dynamics' at play inside the Club. Also who knows what credibility there is to opinion posted as a PM anyway.

As outsiders instead of jumping at shadows- all that can be dione is to look at actions and facts that are public.

Everyone would prefer that Jack stays and i happy to and is part of a united Club. That may not be a possibility or even probability though. IF not the CLub is better off and so is Jack - by definiiton.

Would seem strange if club pushing him out. My only take would be this theory that Jack is somewhat of negative influence around the club.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

If true, what is the logic here?

Do we know if this offer was before HOF did his knee?

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

If this is the case, people might want to hedge their criticism of Jack.

If true, what is the logic here? HOF out for a year. Dean isn't coming in to play as the 2nd KPD right away.

One criticism of the Weitering/JSOS combo is they are both too slow for fast leading players.

4 years at $600k a year for a player who has averaged less than 13 games a year over a decade is hardly being pushed IMO

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Do we know if this offer was before HOF did his knee?

Didn't the club say he has the offer on the table for months

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Would seem strange if club pushing him out. My only take would be this theory that Jack is somewhat of negative influence around the club.

Docherty did make a joke about JSOS's positive attitude at his retirement speech

 

[Stamos]

Jimmy's going to be rabbit stew