List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[seasonedsainter]

Best week as a St Kilda supporter since 2010

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

2026
Team 23

B. Voss Howard Wilkie

H.B. Clark Caminiti Sinclair

C. Henry Phillipou Windhager

H.F. Butler Sharman Wood

F. Ryan King Higgins

Foll. DeKoning NWM Hall

l/C. Macrae, Marshall, Owens, Steele, Wilson-sub

Emerg. Aleer, Boxshall, Garcia, Hastie, Hill, Tauru, Travaglia

 

[sammm]

Wonder what that does for Butler?
Although Ross also did mention playing Higgins in the midfield at times too.

Butler is probably gone

 

[Mr Platinum]

So...have we set aside a list spot for Tex Wanganeen?

It was tweeted by Tom Morris after he read this board, so it's probably another bullshit tweet. Are has zero credibility.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Bearing in mind the age factor, or non-factor, and our list profile, do we think Jimmy Webster will retire at the end of this season? Or do we keep him as depth for another year?

Surely if he's stepping down, we'll hear about it this week and he might squeeze in a goodbye game against old foe Toby Green before he heads back to the farm.

Any views?

If we're loading up for an all out push to make finals next year, I think he gets a new contract. He's still probably our best option for locking down on small forwards.

 

[snails13]

2026
Team 23

B. Voss Howard Wilkie

H.B. Clark Caminiti Sinclair

C. Henry Phillipou Windhager

H.F. Butler Sharman Wood

F. Ryan King Higgins

Foll. DeKoning NWM Hall

l/C. Macrae, Marshall, Owens, Steele, Wilson-sub

Emerg. Aleer, Boxshall, Garcia, Hastie, Hill, Tauru, Travaglia

Won't be subs in 2026

 

[Klaatu]

We might already have the KP back man in Keeler , with a full pre season in defense if TDK comes & Marshall stays with Dodson he becomes surplus as a ruck/Forward move him to defense, then go and get a pure VFL ruck to help Dodson at our reserve side.

Amazing how some have got Voss in their side for next year ahead of Stocker.

Johna Campigli as a small/medium forward rookied

 

[Captain Paddy]

GT had a lot to do with developing that list.

Reckon GT would be awesome as a head of footy somewhere. Great ability to develop young men as people, not just footballers

 

[Captain Paddy]

If we're loading up for an all out push to make finals next year, I think he gets a new contract. He's still probably our best option for locking down on small forwards.

Jimmy seems like the type of player Ross would love

 

[Diehard Saint]

Butler is probably gone

Don’t think so. We don’t have a lot of decent small defensive forwards

 

[Sully111]

I dont think so. In the end, it looks like he knew what his departure would do to St Kilda and didn't want to do that to the people he loves and respects, his teammates and coaches. He's going to be rich regardless.

I think Nas always wanted to stay. Everything dragging out was purely due to his manager chasing more coin. I believe Nas would have signed earlier for less money had it not been for Williams.

 

[AaronSCHQ]

Bearing in mind the age factor, or non-factor, and our list profile, do we think Jimmy Webster will retire at the end of this season? Or do we keep him as depth for another year?

Surely if he's stepping down, we'll hear about it this week and he might squeeze in a goodbye game against old foe Toby Green before he heads back to the farm.

Any views?

Usually I’d say he’s 32, he’s done. But that would be contradictory. However, he seems a pretty cruisy guy. He’s got a young family. Wouldn’t surprise me with some injury troubles that he pulls the pin.

I’d be happy to keep him as depth. If his body is right, he’s still got plenty of value as a hard nosed small defender. Im not sure we have any others except for when stocker goes back there. Saints love a Stevie Baker, Jimmy Webster type down there.

Manage his preseason right and see how he fairs. But the worry is the amount of players we are targetting and bringing in, plus the draft. There’s got to be some retirements, trades and delisting as somewhere. He wouldn’t be the first I’d ask to move on though.

 

[snails13]

Does Jackson Voss stay a Father -Son if not selected at AFL level in his Draft year?

 

[Teflon]

Our forward line isn’t good enough. Can’t see all of King, Marshall, Sharman and Owens playing in the same forward line.

Our small forward stocks are bang average outside of Higgo. Max is a high half forward and will be spending half his time in the midfield and on the wing. Butler only good enough when he is performing really well.

I am not big on the Ryan move specifically but we need better small forwards than we have now.

Yep good post
Look at top sides - small forward class
I’m not sold on Ryan but equally not sure if the alternatives??
Mannah would’ve been nice ….

 

[Diehard Saint]

Does Jackson Voss stay a Father -Son if not selected at AFL level in his Draft year?

Don’t mention F/S.
Can you imagine the flack we’d get it
if we try and get him through that rule!

 

[gringo2011]

Where is moanman FFS?

Surely he told us about Nas last May or some shiz and wants a victory lap.

I reckon Fly forgot to turn his ban off.

 

[jwikked]

I reckon Fly forgot to turn his ban off.

He had nothing to do with it

 

[Saintbloke]

Sour ole GT cause even Rooney and that don’t mention him
The guy stayed too long in the too job said he was caretaker then wouldn’t relinquish
Lyon flogs him as a coach just a shane we didn’t give Lyon that list …

Lyon had good premiership capable lists with Saints and Freo and couldn't win a flag.

 

[gringo2011]

So, Liam Ryan is averaging 15 matches a season and turning 30 next year. I have to ask, what's the appeal? I haven't watched the Eagles for years, got better things to do. The only things I remember about Ryan is getting suspended and a string of off-field issues.

We look a small forward or two short and he's a genuine match winner. His forte is turning nothing into something. Crap entries end up being goals. I think as far as a missing pieces he makes sense.

To me the tall back stocks, tall forward back-up and small forwards are all critically low. Caminiti could go back to a tall forward role if we can replace him with a tall back. Not sure Aleer is the answer but we are going to have to hope he's got a lot of improvement left in him.

Collard is still a couple of seasons off consistently owning a spot. Ryan bridges the gap.

 

[gringo2011]

He had nothing to do with it

Was it you boss?

 

[gringo2011]

From the Bassat interview, talking about the infamous Swanky Brighton Dinner disaster that nonplussed the Wanganeen Milera family so:

“We did have a lunch really early in the year at my house with Nas and his family. It was takeaway Japanese in plastic wrappers, I am pretty sure Ross was in sandals and it was very different to what was presented. And I would be surprised if there was any offence to that"

I think Tom Morris has been watching too may Hollywood films! maybe they just weren’t into Ross's skanky sandals or the gyoza were cold?

The reality was that they are sitting in a rich guy's kitchen eating take away with plastic forks while Ross turned up in thongs. No wonder he wasn't impressed.

 

[Anythings_sipposible]

I'd like for us to have a crack at Jordan Butts for the tall back spot. He's a good one-on-one defender, still young, and is on the fringe of a pretty tight Adelaide defence. He'd pair really well with Wilkie, Tauru and Aleer as well, and would allow Caminiti to shit forward again

 

[gringo2011]

New St Kilda logo after Bassets comments…. No more nice guys. View attachment 2400539

It would be a great marketing exercise to go with an all black kit for a few games.They'd sell a heap of jumpers.

 

[stavro#4]

I think Nas always wanted to stay. Everything dragging out was purely due to his manager chasing more coin. I believe Nas would have signed earlier for less money had it not been for Williams.

Weren’t you adamant that this was about money and that Nas wanted to get paid?

You definitely weren’t on my side of this argument.

 

[sauce_head]

Usually I’d say he’s 32, he’s done. But that would be contradictory. However, he seems a pretty cruisy guy. He’s got a young family. Wouldn’t surprise me with some injury troubles that he pulls the pin.

I’d be happy to keep him as depth. If his body is right, he’s still got plenty of value as a hard nosed small defender. Im not sure we have any others except for when stocker goes back there. Saints love a Stevie Baker, Jimmy Webster type down there.

Manage his preseason right and see how he fairs. But the worry is the amount of players we are targetting and bringing in, plus the draft. There’s got to be some retirements, trades and delisting as somewhere. He wouldn’t be the first I’d ask to move on though.

He’s an unassuming gun. Can play on bigger or smaller defenders and when he wins the ball he moves it downfield quickly with a long kick. I can see why Ross loves him.