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[Lia]

The order from McLaren was a complete joke, however Oscar seems unfussed as usual.

The question would be will a 6 point swing be worth the potential future bargaining chip.

 

[Skull Face]

If the stops were reversed McLaren would've made Oscar serve a "voluntary" 5 sec stop-go penalty.

We seen the reverse already in Austria, lando had a slow stop and they refused to let Oscar box the lap afterwards

 

[Carn The Berries]

Wtf, Karun going on about Oscar being behind pace all weekend, not understanding that all that matters is where you're at for the last laps. What a dickhead! Then he had to relinquish the spot because poor Lando had some bad luck in a pitstop. It's official we are all being gaslit and it's driving me insane.

In a race where overtaking is difficult, the most important laps are during Q3... Where Oscar was behind (as he had been all weekend, except for a few minutes in quali where Lando made a mistake).

God Almighty... The Sky coverage isn't perfect, but do we really need to start tinfoiling?

 

[Bedi]

In a race where overtaking is difficult, the most important laps are during Q3... Where Oscar was behind (as he had been all weekend, except for a few minutes in quali where Lando made a mistake).

God Almighty... The Sky coverage isn't perfect, but do we really need to start tinfoiling?

No. The most important laps are the last ones of the freakin race when Oscar was in front. I dont care what happened before then, it's irrelevant.

 

[Carn The Berries]

No. The most important laps are the last ones of the freakin race when Oscar was in front. I dont care what happened before then, it's irrelevant.

Thanks for confirming that you're a fanboi with little understanding of how the game works.

 

[Jatz]

Haven't read any of the thread but my god, that's up there as one of the most boring F1 races of all time.

If the only thing of note was a random slow pit stop, then team orders, you have a problem.

The McLaren thing is interesting. I think they've done the right thing. I understand why Oscar would question it but it seems silly to punish Lando for something that occurred while helping Oscar out (not that I believe he needed it at all).

I think this illustrates the issue with having the only two WDC challengers on the same team.

 

[Thistle]

Not thrilled about the switch, but maybe it's good karma coming Oscar's way.

Yes, it's a six-point turnaround, but hopefully this means Piastri has a favor owed to him. That could be a massive advantage if it comes down to a fight between first and second place — we're talking about a potential 14-point swing.

Asterix on McLaren and Norris playing fair if it happens.

 

[nohairandfair]

Haven't read any of the thread but my god, that's up there as one of the most boring F1 races of all time.

If the only thing of note was a random slow pit stop, then team orders, you have a problem.

The McLaren thing is interesting. I think they've done the right thing. I understand why Oscar would question it but it seems silly to punish Lando for something that occurred while helping Oscar out (not that I believe he needed it at all).

I think this illustrates the issue with having the only two WDC challengers on the same team.

Cmon, that's an absurd take.
Lando doesnt want Oscar scoring more points... he wants to beat him... capiche?

 

[Rustin Cohle]

but it seems silly to punish Lando for something that occurred while helping Oscar out (not that I believe he needed it at all).

Not what was happening.

 

[nohairandfair]

Not what was happening.

Yep, Lando wanted the safety car advantage and didn't want to be undercut by Oscar.

The old heads I win, tails you lose scenario.

 

[Duck Farmer]

it seems silly to punish Lando for something that occurred while helping Oscar out

helping Oscar out - lol, that was totally Norris's intention.

 

[Bedi]

Thanks for confirming that you're a fanboi with little understanding of how the game works.

Regardless if Lando was quicker than Oscar all weekend, what good is that to him when he's 2.5 seconds behind Oscar on the last 2 laps?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

 

[Jatz]

Cmon, that's an absurd take.
Lando doesnt want Oscar scoring more points... he wants to beat him... capiche?

How is it absurd? They asked Lando before it happened and he agreed to it due to that.

If they weren't covering Charles off, Lando would've pitted first.

 

[Vader]

There is a difference between Lando asking for it, and Lando being okay with it.

The team made the call to reverse the pit stops and said beforehand they wouldn't allow an undercut.

Think for a second if the result was reversed and Oscar lost a spot in that scenario. You'd think it was fair for positions to remain as is

They set the precedent at Silverstone. At Silverstone, Piastri stuffed up. At Monza, the team (front-left rattle gun mechanic) stuffed up. It makes no difference whether it's a driver stuff-up or a team stuff-up, in both cases it's a self-inflicted injury.

At Silverstone, they refused to make Lando give up the lead. They should have done the same at Monza. Their failure to consistently enforce the same standard on their drivers is completely deplorable - and they deserve every bit of the criticism which is coming their way.

 

[Vader]

yeah which helped give them the pace today, they were miles in front. See if it lasts

Verstappen won today because they used an ultra-low drag configuration. This worked fine for Monza, which is the "temple of speed", and uniquely suited to low downforce requirements.

They tried the same thing at Silverstone, and it backfired spectacularly. Baku has some very long straights, but it also has a large number of right angle corners. They won't get away with an ultra-low downforce configuration there - and they can't beat McLaren without it.

 

[Jatz]

They set the precedent at Silverstone. At Silverstone, Piastri stuffed up. At Monza, the team (front-left rattle gun mechanic) stuffed up. It makes no difference whether it's a driver stuff-up or a team stuff-up, in both cases it's a self-inflicted injury.

At Silverstone, they refused to make Lando give up the lead. They should have done the same at Monza. Their failure to consistently enforce the same standard on their drivers is completely deplorable - and they deserve every bit of the criticism which is coming their way.

As if they give a shit haha.

 

[Vader]

He gave up first preference on the stop specifically on the promise that they wouldn't allow an undercut.

Funny how everybody is ignoring that part

But what happened had nothing to do with an undercut!

An undercut happens when car B goes faster on their out lap (taking advantage of fresh rubber) than car A does on their in lap (on old/worn rubber). Verstappen taking 10 seconds on the McLarens after putting new hard tyres on, while they continued circulating on old medium tyres, is an example of an undercut.

Losing time because of an incompetent pit crew member is not an undercut!

 

[jb04]

I willingly get carried away in these threads and I appreciate those who come in here to try and stem the flow of vitriol from the partisan crowd. Echo chambers go from fun to not so fun in the blink of an eye.

I poked my head out last night and earlier today to see how other platforms are responding and its... similar? Like on Reddit and even on the P1 Podcast they're dunking on McLaren for being softcocks which is 100% in line with BigFooty.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Boggles the mind people are that naive (or intentionally bias) to keep referring to the risk of undercut from Leclerc being the factor.

Leclerc was 28+seconds down the road and only need 21s for a pitstop. Gaining ~ 0.3s a lap he was never in contention.

The real and only reason Norris said to box Piastri first (and MCL agreeing) was because they didn't want a safety car event changing the result and favouring the 2nd driver.

I don't really have a massive issue with this except for the part where Norris asked for the undercut to not be allowed. Nah buddy. Either pit first to remove that risk and take the 1 lap risk of a safety car bottling your race. Or pit 2nd with the added pressure of needing to be on it.

There was a little bit too much caressing of the result for mine. Even when Norris went long to be different to Max. Why wouldn't they pit Piastri then and stay on Max's strategy? That's what happened in Hungary with Norris.. they switched it up.
Did Piastri get offered that? I doubt it. If he did then he would have jumped Norris pretty quickly.

Constructors is sewn up. They need to bin papaya rules and let them race independently and let their own engineer/driver decide on strategies as if they were on different teams.

Anyone who says Norris did this for the "team" thing is not worth a response. He was self serving in his decision.

 

[skam85]

It's something else at Monza. I saw people taking home the foam boards, diving in skips for used tyres from the support races, literally anything they could get.

I remember one year, Fisichella stopped on track late in the race. Fans pulled his car apart before they could recover it!

Yep I went in 2022 and it was funny as.

Same thing happened at Spa, they took signboards and used them to slide down Eau Rouge.

*Eau Louge.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Boggles the mind people are that naive (or intentionally bias) to keep referring to the risk of undercut from Leclerc being the factor.

Leclerc was 28+seconds down the road and only need 21s for a pitstop. Gaining ~ 0.3s a lap he was never in contention.

The real and only reason Norris said to box Piastri first (and MCL agreeing) was because they didn't want a safety car event changing the result and favouring the 2nd driver.

I don't really have a massive issue with this except for the part where Norris asked for the undercut to not be allowed. Nah buddy. Either pit first to remove that risk and take the 1 lap risk of a safety car bottling your race. Or pit 2nd with the added pressure of needing to be on it.

There was a little bit too much caressing of the result for mine. Even when Norris went long to be different to Max. Why wouldn't they pit Piastri then and stay on Max's strategy? That's what happened in Hungary with Norris.. they switched it up.
Did Piastri get offered that? I doubt it. If he did then he would have jumped Norris pretty quickly.

Constructors is sewn up. They need to bin papaya rules and let them race independently and let their own engineer/driver decide on strategies as if they were on different teams.

Anyone who says Norris did this for the "team" thing is not worth a response. He was self serving in his decision.

There's no guarantee that would have happened. The consensus in Hungary is that Oscar should have mimicked whatever Lando did to protect his position... Exactly like he did last night.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

There's no guarantee that would have happened. The consensus in Hungary is that Oscar should have mimicked whatever Lando did to protect his position... Exactly like he did last night.

I think it was guaranteed Piastri would finish behind Norris if he did the same thing.
It was guaranteed he'd be no worse than 3rd if he pitted for hards after a couple laps of seeing Max's times on hards being quicker.

Basically had nothing to lose and everything to gain by switching to hards.

But in reality. If he had done that, Norris would have likely matched a lap later and we're back to "papaya rules" again. MCL wanted to try going long and forced Piastri to follow suit to see it through with Lando.

All efforts put into Lando to get Max for a win. And when that failed it was all efforts into Lando retaining 2nd.
Not once was Piastri (the championship leader...) offered a strategy to improve his position on track. I understand why. But at some point its a bit ridiculous what they're doing.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I don't really have a massive issue with this except for the part where Norris asked for the undercut to not be allowed.

I don't even have a problem with this. It's McLaren and Norris retrospectively parlaying this into a "get out of jail free card" for a normal racing incident like a slow pit stop.

The precedent has now been set and they've backed themselves into a corner by making up their papaya rules on the fly. If they don't do the same in the future when it's Lando's turn to sacrifice himself for Oscar under similar circumstances it will show where their true colours lie.

 

[Vader]

Will go against most of the narrative of this thread and state that Oscar giving back the place to Lando after the botched pit stop was the right thing to do, not just in the context of the race where Lando had the clear position and race pace over his team mate and yet gave up the first pit stop to help him out over his battle with Leclerc, but also in terms of what it means in terms of keeping team harmony for what was just a three point difference. Public perceptions matter - that's the reality in global professional sports in 2025.

You seem to be conflating 2 separate issues. Piastri was right to give up the place, when requested to by his team - for the reasons you offered (i.e. team harmony). However, the team was flat out blatantly wrong to ask that of him in the first place.