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AFL 2025 Second Preliminary Final - Cats v Hawks Fri Sept 19th 7:40pm EST (MCG)

Who will win and by how much?

  • Cats by a goal or less

    Votes: 9 3.4%
  • Cats by 7 - 20

    Votes: 72 27.6%
  • Cats by a lot

    Votes: 54 20.7%
  • Hawks by a goal or less

    Votes: 36 13.8%
  • Hawks by 7 - 20

    Votes: 70 26.8%
  • Hawks by a lot

    Votes: 13 5.0%
  • Draw

    Votes: 7 2.7%

  • Total voters
    261
  • Poll closed .

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Gambling is irrelevant and should not be allowed in these sort of threads. Strictly from a Hawthorn POV this year has shown serious progression. We did not go under the radar (unlike last year) and have missed our best (Day) and second best (Wettle) for large portions of the year. We still have major holes in this squad — namely in the midfield — but are now making serious strides to address those (namely Petrecca and Merrett). Come what may I think this has been a very successful season (irrespective of tomorrow) and we are primed to go again over the next 2-3 years.

I was at the Suns game in round 5 2024 and if you told me that in the space of 18 months we’d be getting 5 finals into Watson, Newcombe, Wettle, Moore, Macdonald, Ward, Dear (3) I would have taken that 99 times out of 100. Getting a chance to play 2 finals in front of 98,000 plus will be invaluable experience over the next two or three years.

That’s not to say I don’t fully expect we put up a good showing tomorrow, and I give us a strong 40/60 chance, but I am fully aware where Hawthorn currently sit and can see where they are going. The key is to keep building and fix the midfield this year, and then go again and jag a KPF or two to replace Gunston over the next two windows.
Like it or lump it, odds are the simplest way to reflect sentiment or favouritism. They give a ballpark readout along with whatever so-called (and I emphasise "so-called) experts predict. FWIW most I've seen who have tipped Geelong have called it an incredibly close game, which is basically calling it a 50/50 anyway.

The ladder doesn't mean that much with AFL fixturing.

Discussion of Hawthorn's future prospects means little to me.

Averaged over the whole season, both sides have seemed about the same level of premiership threat. Day out gives Geelong a bit of an advantage despite Hawthorn's many strong performances without him.

40/60 sounds about right. Play it 10 times and Geelong probably win 6 times. That means either team winning won't be a shock. For true underdog status I'd reserve it for the 70/30s or above.
 
Meh. Cats got 16 points and god only knows how much % purely from their Essendon & Richmond results. That's not their fault but it does muddy the waters a bit when it comes to critiquing them. I don't think they're any better than us and we've had close to the perfect preparation.
This will be the last year we'll see that ridiculous pre finals bye which really disadvantages teams who finish top 4 and win their QF.
We are primed for this. No one has ever made a grand final from 8th. Why not us
 
Meh. Cats got 16 points and god only knows how much % purely from their Essendon & Richmond results. That's not their fault but it does muddy the waters a bit when it comes to critiquing them. I don't think they're any better than us and we've had close to the perfect preparation.
This will be the last year we'll see that ridiculous pre finals bye which really disadvantages teams who finish top 4 and win their QF.
We are primed for this. No one has ever made a grand final from 8th. Why not us
A ‘home’ final at the MCG too. Pretty crazy to think a team can finish 8th and then play on their home deck in the Preliminary Final (obviously Geelong play the MCG exceptionally well too). But this is a very, very different run to North in 2015…
 

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I hate both teams but I will side with Hawthorn due to Geelong rorting and the way Chris Scott disrespected the blind man and made that girl cry.
 
I hate both teams but I will side with Hawthorn due to Geelong rorting and the way Chris Scott disrespected the blind man and made that girl cry.
It would be pretty disappointing if you bagged Geelong out 8+ hours a day all year and then decided to support then in a prelim.
 

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Both sides will try to take the others advantage away from them, Hawks will try to stop the cats run and force them into turnovers and slow ball movement, Cats will try to pressure the hawks ball movement by foot and limit the scores from turnover, given the forecasted weather conditions I can see bit of a slog for both sides, Cats will probably pull a late change Stanley in for Clarke.
 
Both sides will try to take the others advantage away from them, Hawks will try to stop the cats run and force them into turnovers and slow ball movement, Cats will try to pressure the hawks ball movement by foot and limit the scores from turnover, given the forecasted weather conditions I can see bit of a slog for both sides, Cats will probably pull a late change Stanley in for Clarke.
I think Hawthorn will try to turn the game into a chaos game where players are under loads of pressure with turnovers. Geelong do the opposite and will focus on taking parts of hawks game away to win control, I feel the cats are the best in the comp for maintaining control once they have it.
 
Fair play to those Hawthorn supporters who have pointed out how comparatively more difficult their draw turned out to be.

No doubleups against Weagles, North, Richmond, what was left of Essendon ... didn't exactly make their top 4 plans any easier.

I'm unconvinced by most of the reasoning about how the match will be won. For me, it comes down to this more than anything:

  • Geelong don't turn the ball over. #18 for the year, #18 for the last ten weeks, #18 for the last five.
  • Hawthorn turn the ball over. #3 for the year. #6 for the last 5 weeks.

More critically, Hawthorn have won two finals against teams which do turn it over: Adelaide (#1) and GWS (#6). They've also played against low pressure teams (GWS are 14th for pressure acts, Adelaide 7th). Geelong are #2 for pressure.

Does that favour the Hawks in terms of finals chaos? Not sure. Geelong aren't exactly a chippy-chippy "control" team. They're number 2 in the league for metres per disposal.

If the Hawks can't stop giving the ball back and their handball game can't hold up, this one's done by 3/4 time.
 
Hawks have a better record at Launceston/Marvel than the MCG and Geelong lately have a better record at the MCG than GMHBA
That's purely because we play rubbish teams Launceston and played 3 games at Marvel. We've played more games at the Adelaide Oval than we have Marvel since the start of last year. I'm all about talking our chances down but that's just ridiculous.
 

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