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List Mgmt. 2025 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II [Spargo ✅ Maley->Adelaide✅]

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Player/Picks​
Original Team​
Receiving Team​
FA /Trade?​
Compo​
Tom De KoningCarltonSt KildaRFARound One selection (currently #10)
Jack SilvagniCarltonSt KildaUFAEnd of First Round selection (currently #22)
Jacob WehrGWSPort AdelaideUFANo Compo
 Sam DraperEssendonBrisbaneUFAEnd of First Round selection (currently #21)
Charlie SpargoMelbourneNorth MelbourneUFAEnd of Round Two selection (currently pick #42)
James WorpelHawthornGeelongRFAEnd of Round Two selection (currently #43)
Liam ReidyFremantleCarltonTradeCARL:Liam Reidy,R3(54),R4 (72) FRE: R3(51), R4(69)
Malcolm Rosas JnrGold CoastSydneyTradeGC: R3(52), R4(70)
SYD: Malcolm Rosas Jnr, R3(63)
Sam FlandersGold CoastSt KildaTradeGC: R1(7)
STK: Sam Flanders
Judd McVeeMelbourneFremantleTradeMELB: R1(23)
FRE: Judd McVee
Brandon StarcevichBrisbaneWest CoastTradeWC: Brandon Starcevich, R1(12), R2(33), R3(52)
BRIS: R1(16) R1(22),R3(44),R3(50)
FRE: R1(19), R2(23),R3(46)
Oscar AllenWest CoastBrisbaneRFARound one selection (currently #2)
Liam RyanWest CoastSt KildaTradeWC: 2026 R2 Pick(Tied to STK)
STK: Liam Ryan, 2027 R3 Pick(tied to WCE)
Max HeathSt KildaMelbourneTradeSTK: 2027 R4 Pick(tied to Melb)
MEL: Max Heath
Brody MihocekCollingwoodMelbourneTradeMEL: Brody Mihocek, R4(71)
COL: R3(61), 2026 R3 selection (tied to Melbourne)
Ben AinsworthGold CoastCarltonTradeCARL: Ben Ainsworth
GC: R2(29) via Port
Corey DurdinCarltonPort AdelaideTradePORT: Corey Durdin, 2026 R2(tied to Carlton)
CARL: R4(67)(via Port)
Campbell ChesserWest CoastCarltonTradeWC: R2(41)
CARL: Campbell Chesser
Tylar YoungRichmondWest CoastTradeWC: Tylar Young
RIC: R2(38)
Pick SwapGWSWestern BulldogsTradeWB: R1(14) & R2(37)
GWS: R1(12)
Will BrodieFremantlePort AdelaideTradePORT: Will Brodie
FRE: R6(103)
Pick SwapCollingwoodBrisbaneTradeCOL: R3 (45,56)
BRIS: R3(59), 2026 R3 Pick(Tied to Melbourne)
Connor BudarickGold CoastWestern BulldogsTradeWB: Connor Budarick, R4 (70)
GC: R2(37)
Jayden LaverdeEssendonGWSDFANo Compo
Brayden FioriniGold CoastEssendonTradeESS: Brayden Fiorini
GC: 2026 R3 pick (tied to Essendon)
Ollie FlorentSydneyCarltonTradeSYD: 2026 R3 (tied to Carl)
CARL: Ollie Florent
Changkuoth JiathHawthornMelbourneTradeMEL:Changkuoth Jiath
HAW: R3 (42), 2026 R4 (tied to Melb)
Jai SerongHawthornSydneyTradeSYD: Jai Serong, 2026 R4(Tied to Hawthorn
HAW: 2026 R3 pick(tied to Syd)
Pick SwapHawthornCarltonTradeCARL: R1(9), R2(31), R2(42), R3(43)
HAW: R1(10), R1 (22)
Finnbar MaleyNorth MelbourneAdelaideTradeNTH: R3(57), 2026 R4(tied to Adelaide)
ADE: Finnbar Maley, R4(64)
Jamarra Ugle-HaganWestern BulldogsGold CoastTradeGC: Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
WB: R6(74)
Jack BullerSydneyCollingwoodTradeCOLL: Jack Buller , 2026 F4 (tied to Syd)
SYD: 2026 R3(tied to Coll)
Jack SteeleSt KildaMelbourneTradeMEL: Jack Steele
STK: 2027 R3 Pick
Clayton OliverMelbourneGWSTradeGWS: Clayton Oliver
MEL: 2027 R3 Pick (tied to GWS)
Patrick RetschkoGeelongRichmondTradeRICH: Patrick Retshcko
GEEL: R6 (99)
Christian PetraccaMelbourneGold CoastTradeMEL: R1(7,8) 2026 R1(tied to GC), R2 (37), 2027 R3(tied to Gold Coast)
GC: Christian Petracca, R2 (24,28), 2026 R2 pick(tied to Melbourne)
Charlie CurnowCarltonSydneyTradeCARL: Will Hayward, R1, 2026 R1, 2027 R1(tied to Sydney)
SYD: Charlie Curnow. R2(31), (42), 2027 R2 pick(Tied to Carlton)

Zac Merrett - requests a trade to Hawthorn
Jy Simpkin - Pies have registered interest in Jy
Rowan Marshall -  requested a trade to Geelong
Devon Robertson - requests a trade to West Coast
Callum Ah Chee - requests a trade to Adelaide
Buku Khamis - requests a trade to Carlton
Wade Derksen - requests a trade to a Victorian Club

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SnowRoo said:
Oh no pick 20 whatever on a guy who will play 23 games q years for 7 years at a high standard. But but we could have had a random chance on some 18 year old the phantom drafts said was like Judy.

So what we had a crack at one of the leagues best forwards, brilliant as far as I'm concerned. How many 1st round picks do we need?

Our players need to learn to win and expect to win, as supporters we need to get out of the feeder club draft picks equal success mindset.

Let's start winning football games.
Let's stress less about 1st round 2nd round, or bringing in dregs so we think change will save us.

We ARE building nicely, have some faith.
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Pick 20 for that would be excellent. The way we draft and the lack of academy and quality f/s options = reliant on R1 picks.

I don't disagree about player mindset.
 
chubbspeterson said:
Probably not given where the list is at, but I don't think it's as bad an offer as it seems.
It's not all that different from the deals offered from Swans (#11 and two F1's wasn't it?) and Cats with three R1's.
Sure a 2026 R1 could be pick 5-12 depending on how much it improved the team in year one.
A 2027 R1 from us and Pies could be anywhere between 10-20 (5th last has pick 10, finals teams in 20's).
If Pies get Simpkin, I don't think they finish bottom 5 in 2027 and we should be on the cusp or in finals.

Asking the question doesn't surprise me as the club would have pledged to players that signed on (LDU, X, Larkey, Zurhaar, Comben, PC, Sheez etc.) to push for a flag. However unlikely the scenario of Curnow coming to us, it shows that group that the club is willing to make moves to win before their careers are done.

It's worth noting the Demons had no R1 selections in 2016, 2017 and 2018 because they traded for Lever in 2017 and May in 2018. Big difference is the age of Lever (21 yo) and May (think he was mid 20's) though.
You could argue we have more young talent than what the Dees had when they traded for Lever with pick 10 and F1 and May with pick 6. They had drafted Gawn (2009) and Viney (2012) in R2, whilst Hogan (2012), Salem (2013), Petracca and Brayshaw (2014), Oliver (2015) were the high end picks they amassed before Lever and May came.
The key thing was they drafted Spargo, Fritsch and Petty in 2017 in R2/R3, Sparrow and Jordon in R2 (2018).
Then got back into R1 with Jackson and Pickett, then Rivers in R2 in 2019. Drafted Bowey in R2 and added Brown 2020.
I don't think high end picks are the panacea in terms of building a flag team, but they do help turn games.

So whilst trading all that for a 28 year old is probably not the age we'd want to be targeting with that kind of deal, at some point to get a quality player, if they ever came to us, you are going to have to pay up big, especially if the draft is going to be seriously compromised every year with academy players and NGA kids.
Obviously most of the fans believe the flag team is built around that Sheezel core group and want to keep going to the draft. The problem with that is it doesn't mean you retain those young or older players if you keep losing.
Anyway, it's moot point, because Curnow was never going to a bottom four team, but the melts are good fun.
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Good post chubbs. Think you are being optimistic as to where those picks might land.

Melbourne at that time were terrific at drafting. Oliver and Petracca were A+ mids as well.
 
SnowRoo said:
After 5 years of gloom, I really feel a lot of people are stuck in the pick numbers is football success mindset.

Oh no pick 20 whatever on a guy who will play 23 games q years for 7 years at a high standard. But but we could have had a random chance on some 18 year old the phantom drafts said was like Judy.

So what we had a crack at one of the leagues best forwards, brilliant as far as I'm concerned. How many 1st round picks do we need?

Our players need to learn to win and expect to win, as supporters we need to get out of the feeder club draft picks equal success mindset.

Let's start winning football games.
Let's stress less about 1st round 2nd round, or bringing in dregs so we think change will save us.

We ARE building nicely, have some faith.
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Good points.

All about who we pick (which I would argue we are decent at now), and how we develop players (is improving with Barlow and lynch).
 
King Corey said:
Don't hate the Curnow opportunistic play at all.

If you're going to swing big go for a match winner. That's why I was shaking nervously last year that we'd overpay on Houston.

Pairing Curnow and Larkey for the next 5+ years would've looked interesting.
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So jy and a top ten pick in 2026 and every chance of a top 20 pick in 2027.
I've never been a fan of 2 for 1 let alone 3 for 1. Especially for a a guy turning 29 early Feb.
And I'd rather we tried to overpay a decent FA and kept our picks
 

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Dinkers said:
So jy and a top ten pick in 2026 and every chance of a top 20 pick in 2027.
I've never been a fan of 2 for 1 let alone 3 for 1. Especially for a a guy turning 29 early Feb.
And I'd rather we tried to overpay a decent FA and kept our picks
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agree, simply not sustainabe without an academy to be throwing our picks away, people say its a weak draft this year, that dont really matter because its about getting bettter talent than the field. so a high pick in a weaker draft is still better than a poor pick in a weak draft. look for another hardiman type.
 
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Dinkers said:
So jy and a top ten pick in 2026 and every chance of a top 20 pick in 2027.
I've never been a fan of 2 for 1 let alone 3 for 1. Especially for a a guy turning 29 early Feb.
And I'd rather we tried to overpay a decent FA and kept our picks
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Yeah, that would be a crazy offer. I think given we didn't even have it and we looked to be mostly shaking the tree to see what falls it's probably not the end of the world. Odds are if we had those picks and he showed interest we'd have been baulking anyway (IMO).

koshari said:
agree, simply not sustainabe without an academy to be throwing our picks away, people say its a weak draft this year, that dont really matter because its about getting bettter talent than the field. so a high pick in a weaker draft is still better than a poor pick in a weak draft. look for another hardiman type.
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On top of this our out of contract list for this year requires attention. Even just with letting go players end of contract that aren't rated we have a slew of spots to fill and can't do that with zero picks.
 
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hilly said:
What's your opinion on the 11th hour bid for Curnow?
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The only opinion offered will be of the nuffies. It's riveting stuff.
 
chickenonachain said:
Since when is turning 29 a red flag, players still have 4/5 good years at least left in them.
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It’s not a red flag at all, but it comes down to price.

You shouldn’t be paying top dollar for ANY player that age. See the Crows and Carey if you want an example close to home. It should be reasonable deals and or free agency at that point.

Any player entering their 30’s is one serious injury away from retirement, even without it, the weight of numbers suggests you might get 60 games out of them.


If we only got 60 games out of 3 top 10 picks at the draft, there’d be bedlam in here.

3-4 first round picks is a deal exclusively for the best 5-10 young/youngish players in the game that will give you 7-8+ years of top service.

We’d have been much better offering that deal for a Zac Butters, Bailey Humphrey, Harley Reid etc if we really wanted to shake the tree.

If we wanted a forward the names worthy of a deal like that are Sam Darcy, Riley Thilthorpe, Kosi Pickett, Paul Curtis, Isak Rankine and Aaron Cadman. Possibly Watson. Thats it. And one of them plays for us already.

You are better off investing that collateral in other ways for better value for literally every other forward in the comp, even someone like Curnow.
 
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Sphynx said:
It’s not a red flag at all, but it comes down to price.

You shouldn’t be paying top dollar for ANY player that age. See the Crows and Carey if you want an example close to home. It should be reasonable deals and or free agency at that point.

Any player entering their 30’s is one serious injury away from retirement, even without it, the weight of numbers suggests you might get 60 games out of them.


If we only got 60 games out of 3 top 10 picks at the draft, there’d be bedlam in here.

3-4 first round picks is a deal exclusively for the best 5-10 young/youngish players in the game that will give you 7-8+ years of top service.

We’d have been much better offering that deal for a Zac Butters, Bailey Humphrey, Harley Reid etc if we really wanted to shake the tree.

If we wanted a forward the names worthy of a deal like that are Sam Darcy, Riley Thilthorpe, Kosi Pickett, Paul Curtis, Isak Rankine and Aaron Cadman. Possibly Watson. Thats it. And one of them plays for us already.

You are better off investing that collateral in other ways for better value for literally every other forward in the comp, even someone like Curnow.
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I agree with you the offer we made if true was over the top. do you think what the Swans gave up for him was overs in the long term picture.
 
hilly said:
Good post chubbs. Think you are being optimistic as to where those picks might land.

Melbourne at that time were terrific at drafting. Oliver and Petracca were A+ mids as well.
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Sure. There's no guarantee a big name player would push us out of the bottom 4-7 in 2026 or close to or in finals in 2027.
You'd like to think if you bring in a quality player it would improve the team and maybe you get some others across.
The Pies could fall off a cliff in 2027 as well and finish bottom five and that pick is one a non-Tassie pick 2/4/6/8/10.
I think there's a bit too much emphasis on thinking only the high end talent matters to get us where we want to go.
You need good talent I.D., some luck with trades (and non-trades) and on draft night with players falling to you.
There's the potential of player trades as well across those three years to get back draft capital.
I just think we need to do better with our R2 and R3 and other mechanisms to get better, not just R1 picks.
But I would agree the team isn't quite finished off enough down back to pull this type of move just yet.
 

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Sphynx said:
It’s not a red flag at all, but it comes down to price.

You shouldn’t be paying top dollar for ANY player that age. See the Crows and Carey if you want an example close to home. It should be reasonable deals and or free agency at that point.

Any player entering their 30’s is one serious injury away from retirement, even without it, the weight of numbers suggests you might get 60 games out of them.


If we only got 60 games out of 3 top 10 picks at the draft, there’d be bedlam in here.

3-4 first round picks is a deal exclusively for the best 5-10 young/youngish players in the game that will give you 7-8+ years of top service.

We’d have been much better offering that deal for a Zac Butters, Bailey Humphrey, Harley Reid etc if we really wanted to shake the tree.

If we wanted a forward the names worthy of a deal like that are Sam Darcy, Riley Thilthorpe, Kosi Pickett, Paul Curtis, Isak Rankine and Aaron Cadman. Possibly Watson. Thats it. And one of them plays for us already.

You are better off investing that collateral in other ways for better value for literally every other forward in the comp, even someone like Curnow.
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Yeah. Not a red flag at the right price but players close to 30 should be:

  • Bargains / FA types
  • Cheap (relatively) for their skills or;
  • A gun that you're happy to pay for because you just missed a prelim win the year before.
Dinkers said:
One thing for sure is if you don't have them you have zero chance of gettting decent youth in the door. And we're in no place for a quick fix. We've told Whitlock he's going fwd, can't we just still to a plan occasionally.

We're our own worst enemy
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Agree. I don't like this chopping and changing all the time. After 2-3 years if an opportunity arises or a player is clearly not working where we have him developing is ok, but we shouldn't be planning a players development long term then changing our mind 10 seconds later.
 
So where will Mason Cox end up now the pies gave him the arse
 

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Dinkers said:
One thing for sure is if you don't have them you have zero chance of gettting decent youth in the door. And we're in no place for a quick fix. We've told Whitlock he's going fwd, can't we just still to a plan occasionally.

We're our own worst enemy
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I'd agree a 28 year old is likely not the player you want to be targeting with that type of deal, but we would've known there was zero chance of him coming to us. If anything it's more a signal to the playing group and fans that we are asking the question, as well as a message to other players and managers in contract or coming OOC that we're prepared to pay up for a quality player, but preferably more your Walter or Humphrey type.

Agree it's a little confusing of what that would have meant for Whitlock's development, probably goes down back.
Need to stop experimenting and settle these kids in some roles.

I think we've put far too much stock in high end picks as being the solution.
You are the first to point out how many have been supposedly blown on players you think are spuds and those who are not at the club anymore. You can't just rely on high end talent, need to find and develop good players in R2/R3/R4.

I would speculate most recruiters would probably want to get out of the Tassie drafts and trade for players during that period because those picks have less value.
 
If somehow, our little late muck around with Curnow, made Sydney cough up a bit more to secure him, well done, if not, no damage done really.
 
hilly said:
Good post chubbs. Think you are being optimistic as to where those picks might land.

Melbourne at that time were terrific at drafting. Oliver and Petracca were A+ mids as well.
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Dees have just done well with what they’ve ended up with Trac and Oliver going I reckon. Trac deal seems unbelievable.
 
Cyber_punk said:
So where will Mason Cox end up now the pies gave him the arse
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