Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[The Tilt]

Don't like it. As well as 9 and 10 being little chance of winning it, the change basically takes out 7 and 8 and makes it incredibly unlikely that they can win the thing either.

I actually see this as a benefit of the wildcard round. If the best you could do was finish 7th at the end of the H&A season, it should be extremely hard to win the flag.

 

[sr36]

How did you they come to this 'equal' number of qualifying kids?

Obviously whatever method they used didn't work very well.

I don't know. What makes you think it didn't work very well?

 

[sr36]

I actually see this as a benefit of the wildcard round. If the best you could do was finish 7th at the end of the H&A season, it should be extremely hard to win the flag.

It already is. You're the away team 3 finals in a row and you have to win them all just to make the granny.

I'd agree with you if we have an equal fixture. And most years it won't really matter, but in the year just gone who you played twice had a big bearing on the top 8 order.

 

[sr36]

Vic clubs get players from pick 1.

WA clubs get players from pick 40, yet no disadvantage.


Haha - equal zones.

Makes me laugh.

The bolded wasn't the case.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Lets be real about it.

It is EAST COAST NON MELBOURNE bias.

Of the Melbourne based teams, only Richmond and Collingwood have any success.

WB, StK, Ess, Carl, NM, Melbourne they are perennial struggles.

Geelong, Tassie Hawks, Sydney, Brisbane and GWS consistently in finals and playing for flags. And it now looks like Gold Coast will join them as a power.

Meanwhile the Melbourne based clubs
Richmond are back to being a basket case
North are horrible
Essendon, Carlton and Melbourne are in no man's land
StK have sold the farm to try and make finals
WB are seeing stars walk out
Pies have some cliff coming

If you want to be successful in the AFL, don't play in Melbourne.

"tassie hawks"

you are taking the piss

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I don't know. What makes you think it didn't work very well?

whats the ratio of viable NGA prospects for the SA clubs compared to the rest of the competition?

 

[sr36]

whats the ratio of viable NGA prospects for the SA clubs compared to the rest of the competition?

SA is harder to know, as not all of SA is NGA zoned. If the entirety of the state was zoned, in terms of Aboriginal kids, average SA club ratio would be approx 3:1 in comparison to the average Vic club. approx 2:5 in terms of WA clubs. mOst of the unzoned region is desert, so I'd assume it's the vast majority of the population zoned.

International qualifying kids - not sure. I suspect it's similarly WA>SA>Vic. I work with the Sudanese community in SA and know Vic has about 3 times the number of Sudanese kids as SA - but 5 times the number of clubs - so SA clubs would have a better ration in that demographic. And WA in a better position again. I don't know if that holds with the other qualifying nationalities.

 

[Senor M]

I never said they were free agents, just highlighting the ability for Vic clubs to easily top up.

Then why did you tell me I "forgot" those players when I was listing the Free Agents in the Hawks '13 side compared to the Freo '13 side.

 

[doppleganger]

"tassie hawks"

you are taking the piss

The Tassie Hawks have been playing more games away from the MCG, and travelling as much as the SA teams for most of the 21st century.

They choose to travel and play more games away from Melbourne to get a unique home ground advantage.

 

[Outtatym]

This thread has really turned into sook fest about whos club is the most hard done by

 

[ReturningHawk]

Yeah, but which club did both players want to go to.

SA and WA clubs can't get good players to want to join them, who were not born in their state.

Petracca wanted to go to Hawthorn, which is why he flew to Adelaide to meet them and then joined GC?

Again, WTF are you talking about?

 

[sr36]

This thread has really turned into sook fest about whos club is the most hard done by

Has it ever been any different?

 

[Outtatym]

Has it ever been any different?

Probably not, but it seems extra bad reading through the last few pages.

 

[sr36]

Probably not, but it seems extra bad reading through the last few pages.

The AFL should build a Disneyland in Adelaide. That might have attracted Petracca.

 

[Macca180]

The AFL should build a Disneyland in Adelaide. That might have attracted Petracca.

It would still be in Adelaide. Be dead all day and then closed at 5pm.

 

[sr36]

It would still be in Adelaide. Be dead all day and then closed at 5pm.

It'd make it the best Disneyland. No queues. Council would ban them from playing their shit music too loud. Only problem is it would take 700 years to get through the council approval process.

 

[ReturningHawk]

My club has underperformed

/thread

 

[Seeds]

After this and last years result why is this thread still a thing?

 

[jannissary]

After this and last years result why is this thread still a thing?

it’s eastcoast bias now

 

[doppleganger]

After this and last years result why is this thread still a thing?

Because Adelaide and WC were belted by 8 goals in GFs to much stronger teams almost a decade ago.

Rather than just accepting their respective teams were outplayed, they whinge and sook about the league is against them.

Meanwhile SA teams continue to finish top2 in H&A almost every other year, Geelong, Sydney and Brisbane play in GFs more than any other team and the big powerful Melbourne based clubs just make up the numbers barely ever even making finals.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The Tassie Hawks have been playing more games away from the MCG, and travelling as much as the SA teams for most of the 21st century.

They choose to travel and play more games away from Melbourne to get a unique home ground advantage.

and yet every time Adelaide play them in tasmania, you use that excuse to say that Adelaide are getting an advantage because they are playing a team away from their 'preferred home ground'. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

After this and last years result why is this thread still a thing?

just because a disadvantage can be overcome it doesn't mean that the disadvantage didn't exist.

 

[doppleganger]

and yet every time Adelaide play them in tasmania, you use that excuse to say that Adelaide are getting an advantage because they are playing a team away from their 'preferred home ground'. You can't have it both ways.

You are mixing up different issues.

It is Adelaide fans who pretend travel and sleeping in a hotel is some big issue, clearly it ain't if Hawthorn do it and are successful.

And yes, it should be obvious that playing a team away from their home ground, at a secondary ground, is obviously easier than playing them at their preferred home ground in front of their home crowd where they play 12-13 times per year.

Adelaide are advantaged because they get 13 games at home, 11 with a major advantage. But then also get "away" games at secondary or alternate grounds - not the actual home ground of their opponents.

Hence they have so many top2 H&A finishes compared to Melbourne based teams.

Richmond have again decided to move a "home" Marvel game to Tassie, preferring the extra travel game, because they AFL won't schedule it at their actual home ground the G...VICBias on display again, it is unfair that Richmond get to play a home game outside of VIC.

 

[sr36]

and yet every time Adelaide play them in tasmania, you use that excuse to say that Adelaide are getting an advantage because they are playing a team away from their 'preferred home ground'. You can't have it both ways.

The flip side is that when Adelaide fans say they are disadvantaged playing in Tassie rather than Melbourne - the logical follow on is that it is an agreement with what DG says about Melbourne teams having a diminished home ground advantage in comparison to the rest of the comp.

 

[My_Username]

What I said was WA and SA clubs can't get players who weren't born in their state of they have other options.

A few exceptions but normally these are b and C graders.

So, WA & SA can't get players who weren't born there, but GC can?

Why?

Your argument about why Vic clubs have it so good boiled down to additional access to 3rd party Sponsorships and the (related) benefits of playing in big timeslots.

WA & SA clubs have it BETTER on those criteria.