The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

Yeh I can agree with that strategically but I do think it's a moral failure of the modern centre-left to continually try and take the 'moral highground', all the while extreme fringe voices on the right continue to attract impressionable disenfranchised young men.

Labor should be looking to capitalise on the weakness of the LNP and go for a more aggressive media campaign in the future.

I think the whole 'culture wars' crap is largely irrelevant here in Oz, the number of young blokes that will go in for far right nuttery isn't much different to what it's always been.
Also a large percentage of them aren’t educated enough to know in Australia a 'Liberal' is a conservative in a mask and think of Bernie Sanders and AOC when they hear the word liberal.

I'm always for better marketing however the whole Sun Tzu 'Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake' thing is soooooo relevant right now.

Right now Albo has all the power required to make meaningful change so that workers can afford to live near where they work, he could end the horrifically cruel poverty of unemployment, he could do something about the free-range mental illness cluster*. He could do any number of things to greatly improve the nation and instead he'll do incrementally * all and continue the bullshit. But at least he's pretend to care.

Incorrect.
For starters he doesn't control both houses.
And more importantly housing is a ****ing minefield courtesy of Howard.

On unemployment I'm hoping they gut the employment agency rorts and bring back some form of the Commonwealth Employment Service

Mental illness equals ongoing and strong Medicare, there is no silver bullet.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

I think the whole 'culture wars' crap is largely irrelevant here in Oz, the number of young blokes that will go in for far right nuttery isn't much different to what it's always been.
Also a large percentage of them aren’t educated enough to know in Australia a 'Liberal' is a conservative in a mask and think of Bernie Sanders and AOC when they hear the word liberal.

I'm always for better marketing however the whole Sun Tzu 'Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake' thing is soooooo relevant right now.

Incorrect.
For starters he doesn't control both houses.
And more importantly housing is a ****ing minefield courtesy of Howard.

On unemployment I'm hoping they gut the employment agency rorts and bring back some form of the Commonwealth Employment Service

Mental illness equals ongoing and strong Medicare, there is no silver bullet.

Housing is ****ing because of someone who half of voters don't even remember! Yep, that seems legit. You're lost mate.

 

[RedOrWhite]

Libs aiming for Net Zero seats.

True but couldn't help but laugh

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

Housing is ****ing because of someone who half of voters don't even remember! Yep, that seems legit. You're lost mate.

It's ****ed because the policies he implemented were responsible for turning housing into an investment rather than a human right and then tied it to the immigration ponzi scheme for good measure.

 

[Northalives]

The next Liberal PM hasn't even been born yet.

Spot on!

 

[Northalives]

Ley is a hopeless leader with no spine, no vision and negative charisma. The definition of a temporary place-holder.

Her daddy came over here in the months leading up to the Whitlam dismissal as one of MI6's "advisers" and his daughter is now the gutless wonder that has destroyed the Liberal Party ..... oh the irony!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Did you ever consider that Albanese is a big part of why the Coalition is imploding?

Absolutely. It's glorious to see.

But destruction of the Coalition is only half the task.

To give one particularly egregious example of where Albanese Labor is failing criminally - the existential crisis of climate change.

Labor is still just Coalition-lite in how it effects to be really concerned about climate change, but still takes its orders from the mining industry. AND spends a huge amount of its political energy trying to destroy the Greens, the only sizeable political party taking climate change seriously and abiding by the science.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I agree

He should make childcare more affordable.
He should make TAFE course free.
He should increase bulk billing.
He should release pressure off power prices on everyone.
He should make investments in renewables more attractive.
He should tighten corporate tax rules and make them pay more.
He should reduce the cost of home batteries.
He should deliver tax cuts.
He should strengthen our relationship with our big trading partners and rebuild our relationships with our neighbours.

Bulk billing did seem to increase at a lot of GPS recently (start of either October or November- at least the clinic I go to had a sign saying they were back to bulk billing all eligible Medicare card holders for most standard consultations)

 

[nut]

Bulk billing did seem to increase at a lot of GPS recently (start of either October or November- at least the clinic I go to had a sign saying they were back to bulk billing all eligible Medicare card holders for most standard consultations)

My post was actually highlighting what he has achieved.

 

[Gough]

How can you not be convinced of the benefits of dumping net zero after this? Looks like HD cameras will be banned too.

 

[QuietB]

It's ****ed because the policies he implemented were responsible for turning housing into an investment rather than a human right and then tied it to the immigration ponzi scheme for good measure.

And when Labor did try and challenge it the bedwetters that are the Australian boomers and large sections of Gen X chose Morrison instead of a chance at equity for their own children and grandchildren.

Australia doesn’t do change.

 

[Vindicater]

How can you not be convinced of the benefits of dumping net zero after this? Looks like HD cameras will be banned too.

What in the holy hells was that...

 

[Gough]

What in the holy hells was that...

As far as I could tell we're reviving Hawke and Warnie, and Farr-Jones and Campo are going to line up against Ireland on the weekend. Something about Warwick Capper too.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

It's ****ed because the policies he implemented were responsible for turning housing into an investment rather than a human right and then tied it to the immigration ponzi scheme for good measure.

This is true, has also been about three decades since and Labor does nothing because it's full of campaigners who own multiple investment properties and don't give a **** about people not being able to afford a roof over their heads.

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

And when Labor did try and challenge it the bedwetters that are the Australian boomers and large sections of Gen X chose Morrison instead of a chance at equity for their own children and grandchildren.

Australia doesn’t do change.

I'm not completely convinced this was the case.
I think Shorten being extremely unlikeable was more at fault for the loss.
There would have been scope to slowly dismantle post election without a precise mandate but now its seen as electoral poison it's become that sadly

 

[Saint]

Yep most self-styled conservatives these days are nothing of the sort; regressive would be one of the more apt descriptions as would radical. In some ways the only resemblance the modern Liberal Party still holds to the "Party of Menzies" is being Anti-Labor but not in ideals just in opposition for oppositions sake.

Also Menzies-like in that most Party members are male and peaked in the early 1970s.

 

[masai tu]

Ley is a hopeless leader with no spine, no vision and negative charisma. The definition of a temporary place-holder.

It was well known that the Lib leader who took the reins after the last election, would be temporary and just keeping the seat warm.

At least Ley put her hand up to take on the role, alot stepped back into the shadows from where they are flinging the daggers. Put up or shut up is absent with alot of the senior libs.

 

[Festerz]

I'm not completely convinced this was the case.
I think Shorten being extremely unlikeable was more at fault for the loss.
There would have been scope to slowly dismantle post election without a precise mandate but now its seen as electoral poison it's become that sadly

Yep.

The detailed internal post election review conducted by Craig Emerson and Jay Weatherill looked at the reasons for the Shorten Government losing the unloseable election and came up with these factors at the top of their list:

• Labor and a number of other stakeholders had effectively 'banked the win' before the election, which led to a series of errors
• The ALP's policy platform was so cumbersome and unwieldy - "comprising more than 250 costed policies" - that the party couldn't adjust its tactics during the campaign
• While "no single person cost Labor the election", the report acknowledges Bill Shorten's unpopularity was a major factor in the election loss
• Labor's approach on climate change, Adani and coal mining in general alienated large swathes of voters (and electorates), particularly in Queensland, WA and NSW's Hunter Valley -

Findings 14-18 of the Emerson/Weatherill review basically outline all the mistakes Labor and other groups made based on the party's assumption of victory - a lot of those revolve around the party reading too much into positive opinion polling and getting too far ahead of itself instead of focusing on winning the election. The report says progressive groups and commentators on social media "banked the win" which had the effect of reinforced Labor's strategy design - they were all too happy to drink the same bathwater.

And that age based narrative that it was boomers and sections of Gen X that were responsible for the Shorten loss because they chose Morrison over 'a chance at equity for their own children and grandchildren' is simplistic and revisionist nonsense.

The Shorten negative gearing policies posed zero threat to 'boomers or gen X' housing equity because it was not applicable to existing housing stock. Similarly, the franking tax credits policies were of little or no financial consequence for the overwhelming majority of them.

What made the difference was a targeted irresponsible and factually incorrect political campaigning from large swathes of the media.

All of those findings of the review were not ignored by the Labor Party - they were taken on board and define the softly approach being taken by the current Albanese Government.

And say what you will about the policy feebleness of that approach - it has had one major impact and that is to play a large role in the destruction of the Coalition as an effective political force in the cities. And imho the sad truth is that destruction of thir political opponents is (I would imagine) the no. 1 goal of political political strategists whose party/candidates have a realistic hope of gaining and retaining the reigns of power.

Edit: As a side note one of the authors of that review, former Labor Minister Craig Emerson is a strident social media critic of the Albanese Government's failure to make significant policy changes from their conservative predecessors - most notably in the areas of defence and resource management.

 

[Gough]

I wonder how many voters bought a newspaper everyday in 2019 compared to today?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I think Shorten being extremely unlikeable was more at fault for the loss.

Was never a great fan of the man, but what exactly was his likeability problem based on?

 

[Festerz]

Taking the lead from Sarah Ferguson's blistering take down of Dan Tehan on last night's 7.30 Report, the media now has Sussan Ley firmly in their sights over the inherent lie underpinning their abandonment of Net Zero targets.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Was never a great fan of the man, but what exactly was his likeability problem based on?

Too much mud was slung by Murdoch rags and some of it stuck in my opinion.

 

[RedOrWhite]

Too much mud was slung by Murdoch rags and some of it stuck in my opinion.

I wasn't much of a fan either but agree, they had ppl buying into the whole death tax BS. His union background was used against him as well, every affluent boomer and aspirant type I know didn't like him because of that.

 

[nut]

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[NSWCROW]

You think these campaigners were in govt given how many stories 7, nein, 10 and Aunty did on Net Zero this past fortnight