The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yep.

The detailed internal post election review conducted by Craig Emerson and Jay Weatherill looked at the reasons for the Shorten Government losing the unloseable election and came up with these factors at the top of their list:

• Labor and a number of other stakeholders had effectively 'banked the win' before the election, which led to a series of errors
• The ALP's policy platform was so cumbersome and unwieldy - "comprising more than 250 costed policies" - that the party couldn't adjust its tactics during the campaign
• While "no single person cost Labor the election", the report acknowledges Bill Shorten's unpopularity was a major factor in the election loss
• Labor's approach on climate change, Adani and coal mining in general alienated large swathes of voters (and electorates), particularly in Queensland, WA and NSW's Hunter Valley -

Findings 14-18 of the Emerson/Weatherill review basically outline all the mistakes Labor and other groups made based on the party's assumption of victory - a lot of those revolve around the party reading too much into positive opinion polling and getting too far ahead of itself instead of focusing on winning the election. The report says progressive groups and commentators on social media "banked the win" which had the effect of reinforced Labor's strategy design - they were all too happy to drink the same bathwater.

And that age based narrative that it was boomers and sections of Gen X that were responsible for the Shorten loss because they chose Morrison over 'a chance at equity for their own children and grandchildren' is simplistic and revisionist nonsense.

The Shorten negative gearing policies posed zero threat to 'boomers or gen X' housing equity because it was not applicable to existing housing stock. Similarly, the franking tax credits policies were of little or no financial consequence for the overwhelming majority of them.

What made the difference was a targeted irresponsible and factually incorrect political campaigning from large swathes of the media.

All of those findings of the review were not ignored by the Labor Party - they were taken on board and define the softly approach being taken by the current Albanese Government.

And say what you will about the policy feebleness of that approach - it has had one major impact and that is to play a large role in the destruction of the Coalition as an effective political force in the cities. And imho the sad truth is that destruction of thir political opponents is (I would imagine) the no. 1 goal of political political strategists whose party/candidates have a realistic hope of gaining and retaining the reigns of power.

Edit: As a side note one of the authors of that review, former Labor Minister Craig Emerson is a strident social media critic of the Albanese Government's failure to make significant policy changes from their conservative predecessors - most notably in the areas of defence and resource management.

I think it's going to be interesting to see how history stacks Shorten up against the other Coalition and Labor leaders who took their parties to an election but never became PM. Thinking about the list, there's Dutton, Crean, Beazley, Hewson, Peacock... I think Shorten's banked a lot of credits post 2019 and post 2022.

 

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it's old but so so relevant.

 

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I think it's going to be interesting to see how history stacks Shorten up against the other Coalition and Labor leaders who took their parties to an election but never became PM. Thinking about the list, there's Dutton, Crean, Beazley, Hewson, Peacock... I think Shorten's banked a lot of credits post 2019 and post 2022.

what credits are you referring to mc? i think those other electoral failures are so diverse, it's hard to make comparisons.

 

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there's no prospect of the reactionaries remaining part of the paris agreement under their climate denial policy. none.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

what credits are you referring to mc? i think those other electoral failures are so diverse, it's hard to make comparisons.

I think his pivotal role in the establishment of the NDIS and then his subsequent role as Minister in increasing the controls on the scheme to ensure its sustainability is one and his strident efforts to ensure the Robodebt Royal Commission became a reality is another.

 

[Festerz]

You think these campaigners were in govt given how many stories 7, nein, 10 and Aunty did on Net Zero this past fortnight

That would be because the ongoing self destruction of a coalition and a party that was in government just three short years ago over is major news.

In short, this is a seismic shift and reporting on it is not just reporting on the collapse of a party that has dominated Federal politics for decades, but the destruction of them as an effective opposition to the ALP that will have major ramifications for the make up of Australian politics at both the State and Federal level going forward.

It's as much a story of the ALP, Greens, Teal Independents and PHON as it is about the Liberals and their National Party coalition partners.

 

[Cyg1992]

How can you not be convinced of the benefits of dumping net zero after this? Looks like HD cameras will be banned too.

Surely that's a parody account??

 

[Festerz]

Surely that's a parody account??

Matt Canavan is a parody of himself.

 

[1990crow]

there's no prospect of the reactionaries remaining part of the paris agreement under their climate denial policy. none.

Dear lord.

 

[Cyg1992]

Matt Canavan is a parody of himself.

Is he still donning the black shadow and high vis or has aunty Gina told him that doesn't work anymore?

 

[The Punter]

Does Canavan know that at about the 37 second mark of that video is a short clip from Mel Gibson's character from the film 1981 Gallipoli running through the trenches trying to stop the fourth wave going over the top at The Nek?

It does give an insight into what the attempt at appeal is (Hastie's car vid as well), but as much as I have fond memories of the decade that created me, the 1980s were a long, long time ago (and Labor were in power for most of them right across Australia).

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Dear lord.

Just over six months ago it was expected that he'd be pretty lucky to hold on to Wannon. Now, considering his party's existential crisis he finds himself in control of probably the most important Shadow Ministry there is, in terms of the next six months. Good luck Dan.

 

[Festerz]

Does Canavan know that at about the 37 second mark of that video is a short clip from Mel Gibson's character from the 1981 Gallipoli running through the trenches trying to stop the fourth wave going over the top at The Nek?

It does give an insight into what the attempt at appeal is (Hastie's car vid as well), but as much as I have fond memories of the decade that created me, the 1980s were a long, long time ago (and Labor were in power for most of them right across Australia).

Both Canavan and Hastie were born at the beginning of the 80s (1980 and 82 respectively).

They would have exactly zero personal idea of what an insulated, over-regulated and high priced economy Australia was in the years surrounding their birth and the huge financial and personal short term cost borne by businesses and households from the shock of finally lifting the doona and we were opened up to the world.

They are selling a rose coloured glasses vision of Australia to their dwindling supporter bases that holds no relation to reality.

 

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The Australian pretending the LNP actually has a policy

 

[The Punter]

The Australian pretending the LNP actually has a policy


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Decide on your criticism: do they have a policy, or do they had a bad policy?

Festerz

I am a 1980 birth. I feel like if Canavan and Hastie truly believe their own guff (I trust the sincerity of Hastie more than Canavan), they've been told some pretty big fairy tales about what life was like around the time they were born.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

That would be because the ongoing self destruction of a coalition and a party that was in government just three short years ago over is major news.

In short, this is a seismic shift and reporting on it is not just reporting on the collapse of a party that has dominated Federal politics for decades, but the destruction of them as an effective opposition to the ALP that will have major ramifications for the make up of Australian politics at both the State and Federal level going forward.

It's as much a story of the ALP, Greens, Teal Independents and PHON as it is about the Liberals and their National Party coalition partners.

I checked out The Daily Mail and Sky News - was pretty hard to find anything about the Libs implosion. You had to go down about 20 pages on the Mail's website (to be fair the article savages Tehan).

The reader comments were mostly hard right. A lot of stuff like "rich elites invested in renewables sponsoring the Labor party". And boy do they hate the ABC.

Liberal MP repeatedly fails to answer a question about net zero

Shadow Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction Dan Tehan has been called out for failing to answer key questions about his party's new stance on emissions.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JackOutback]

The West Australian described it as "Ley throwing down the gauntlet to Labor over energy prices".

 

[1990crow]

The Australian pretending the LNP actually has a policy


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It's frustrating when these guys don't even have a policy, just buzz words that confuse people.

Their policy is basically less investment in renewables, harm the environment, walk from the Paris agreement which the entire world has signed up to, subsidies for coal and gas companies, more expensive electricity as a result.

But this would obviously not win votes.
They're the vested interests party and thankfully the younger generation are educated enough to see through this BS.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Decide on your criticism: do they have a policy, or do they had a bad policy?

Festerz

I am a 1980 birth. I feel like if Canavan and Hastie truly believe their own guff (I trust the sincerity of Hastie more than Canavan), they've been told some pretty big fairy tales about what life was like around the time they were born.

Its a policy

 

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Decide on your criticism: do they have a policy, or do they had a bad policy?

Festerz

I am a 1980 birth. I feel like if Canavan and Hastie truly believe their own guff (I trust the sincerity of Hastie more than Canavan), they've been told some pretty big fairy tales about what life was like around the time they were born.

What’s the policy to bring down costs????? lol I’ll wait fur your response.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

there's no prospect of the reactionaries remaining part of the paris agreement under their climate denial policy. none.

Re: Lying or an idiot - it's both

 

[Festerz]

The West Australian described it as "Ley throwing down the gauntlet to Labor over energy prices".

I hate the practice of cutting and pasting stuff from x or other platforms without comment. But sometimes there's nothing to be added. They are beyond parody on this.

 

[nut]

So how do you convince the public that dumping net zero is the way to go when wholesale prices are dropping? And this starts to get drop retail prices!!!