News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Old navy]

This argument is stupid.
Luko is terribly overrated (apart from ports stupidity) and basically none of the other picks or fringe players they moved (except flanders) were worth anywhere near a top 20 pick yet they matched 4 top 20 bids. How is that in any way real world price paid?
If you understand drafting you shouldn't need me to explain to you why picks 21 23 25 and 26 are not equal to pick 2.

It’s bad look, but it’s just kinda how the cards fell this year.
If you break it down the Suns sorta over paid for Trac they gave up picks 7 and 8 plus a future 1st and that how they got all those picks in the 20’s back, 5 first rounders looks really bad on paper, but they gave up assets they carried into this years draft, plus this years picks and all the players they traded out this year and a shit load of future picks as well.
So yes they got a bumber haul but they had to really sell the farm to do it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We only took one player this year. We left the rest for other teams to take as part of the service we provide to the league.

Sorry which top 10 pick did you pay for this player? I must have missed that in the same way you missed logic.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Arty you have a post count average of like 25 posts a day over 15 years. Cmon now.

This isn't about me.

It's about the low value trolling that makes up 90% of what you put out across the site. Which is precisely what others in the last couple of pages are getting very tired of as the standard discourse.

You need to take a long hard look at how you contribute because at present it's very close to worthless.

 

[Old navy]

I think people also forget that ok the Suns drafted 5 first round picks this year, but the way their list is ATM it’s very unlikely all those players will stay on GC list, they’ll get squeezed out for playing time opportunities or salary cap management.
So their academy is still gonna feed talent into the rest of league

 

[danster168]

I think people also forget that ok the Suns drafted 5 first round picks this year, but the way their list is ATM it’s very unlikely all those players will stay on GC list, they’ll get squeezed out for playing time opportunities or salary cap management.
So their academy is still gonna feed talent into the rest of league

at the expense of high end draft picks though

 

[Elixuh]

Sorry which top 10 pick did you pay for this player? I must have missed that in the same way you missed logic.

Pick 6

 

[Elixuh]

This isn't about me.

It's about the low value trolling that makes up 90% of what you put out across the site. Which is precisely what others in the last couple of pages are getting very tired of as the standard discourse.

You need to take a long hard look at how you contribute because at present it's very close to worthless.

This is a true inflection point Arty. Thank you for opening my eyes.

 

[WilloTree]

Gold Coast just demonstrated that the 'overhaul' made no impact, proving again that the points system doesn't work.

It's way past it's use by date. Lets move on.

 

[Oscarman]

May need to allow trading of players on draft night.

 

[Elixuh]

Gold Coast just demonstrated that the 'overhaul' made no impact, proving again that the points system doesn't work.

It's way past it's use by date. Lets move on.

GC used picks across 3 drafts and picks from trading out players across 2 years.

What you talking about Willis.

 

[Jirik13]

Gold Coast just demonstrated that the 'overhaul' made no impact, proving again that the points system doesn't work.

It's way past it's use by date. Lets move on.

You certainly ignore the facts. Elixuh above is spot on regarding Suns. Suns paid a lot and if the same situation would happen next year Suns have nothing to match with. It was unique situation Suns were preparing for multiple years. It will not happen again.

This year system was move in the right direction. Some bids on academy kids were not matched. Next year changes will make it close to fair if implemented as advertised.

Considering how Suns were set up, were rubbish for 15 year, lived 8 years in metal sheds, had top players leaving, have no F/S, I certainly enjoyed 2025 playing finals and loading up on academy kids. Something like 15 academy kids on the list.

Selfishly and with chuckle, I am looking forward for teams complaining about next year rules when they will struggle to match F/S, NGA top talent.

Ideally, AFL would set up academies in most states and run them properly with adequate resources. With more quality personnel and more money more kids would come to AFL.

 

[Elixuh]

You certainly ignore the facts. Elixuh above is spot on regarding Suns. Suns paid a lot and if the same situation would happen next year Suns have nothing to match with. It was unique situation Suns were preparing for multiple years. It will not happen again.

This year system was move in the right direction. Some bids on academy kids were not matched. Next year changes will make it close to fair if implemented as advertised.

Considering how Suns were set up, were rubbish for 15 year, lived 8 years in metal sheds, had top players leaving, have no F/S, I certainly enjoyed 2025 playing finals and loading up on academy kids. Something like 15 academy kids on the list.

Selfishly and with chuckle, I am looking forward for teams complaining about next year rules when they will struggle to match F/S, NGA top talent.

Ideally, AFL would set up academies in most states and run them properly with adequate resources. With more quality personnel and more money more kids would come to AFL.

On this forum these views are considered trolling as the VFL mind simply can’t comprehend.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pick 6

So you matched a bid at pick 6 with pick 10 or 2 high first rounders then did you? Where did I miss that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It’s bad look, but it’s just kinda how the cards fell this year.
If you break it down the Suns sorta over paid for Trac they gave up picks 7 and 8 plus a future 1st and that how they got all those picks in the 20’s back, 5 first rounders looks really bad on paper, but they gave up assets they carried into this years draft, plus this years picks and all the players they traded out this year and a shit load of future picks as well.
So yes they got a bumber haul but they had to really sell the farm to do it.

Yes but if they had to pay full price for the picks they would not have been able to trade for petracca in the first place as they would have needed picks 7 and 8 to match the 2 bids. They should not have been able to do both. Im not just bagging gc heaps of clubs do it but matching picks in the top 5 or 6 with late first rounders or even 20s picks is an absolute joke as in the real world high end picks never get traded for that.

 

[Elixuh]

So you matched a bid at pick 6 with pick 10 or 2 high first rounders then did you? Where did I miss that.

Nah pick 6

 

[Tom14]

Nah pick 6

We're doing it tough at the Lions academy. Zero top 5 academy picks in our history

 

[rye]

Arty you have a post count average of like 25 posts a day over 15 years. Cmon now.

its a full time gig having to defend chris scott's numerous board positions and shannon neale's exclusive cotton on range. have a heart.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

GC used picks across 3 drafts and picks from trading out players across 2 years.

What you talking about Willis.

They traded in no top 10 picks with what you are talking about and they traded C graders for mid range picks. And yet after all of that they were able to trade out the 2 nearest picks to the bids (7 and 8) because the system is so stupid that it allows bid matching with multiple second rounders some of which they didn't even have list spots for.
Are you just trolling (fairly likely given your post history) or are you simply not capable of logically understanding the issue?

 

[danster168]

They traded in no top 10 picks with what you are talking about and they traded C graders for mid range picks. And yet after all of that they were able to trade out the 2 nearest picks to the bids (7 and 8) because the system is so stupid that it allows bid matching with multiple second rounders some of which they didn't even have list spots for.
Are you just trolling (fairly likely given your post history) or are you simply not capable of logically understanding the issue?

totally agree. what are these so called 'gave up a lot' sort of players? please dont tell me we're about Lukosius and Rosas types? Laughable if thats who theyre referring to.

 

[GC2015]

GC used picks across 3 drafts and picks from trading out players across 2 years.

What you talking about Willis.

It's unbelievable to see how little research (none) people will do on this topic when complaining about the fairness of the draft system. As you pointed out - we, the Suns, accumulated many points over several years by trading out players/picks to make this year's draft scenario possible because we knew that it was very likely that there would be several high end bids on our academy graduates. No club could have pulled this off otherwise and we did it in years that the AFL decided to move the goal posts due to the complaints from clubs in the southern states.

This year alone we lost best 22 players like Ainsworth (pick 4), Fiorini and Budarick to accumulate more points to match bids. Last year we traded away pick 2 Jack Lukosius to accumulate two 2025 future picks that were also used to match bids this year. We also traded away our 2026 first, second and third round picks + a 2027 pick to get more points these 2025 bids.

But people down south will still have you believe that we gave up nothing to land our academy graduates this year. Go figure.

 

[sr36]

Incorrect, Mat Mann.

It’s all artificial old boy. Those players from the academies largely don’t exist pre academies so west coast, Richmond and the many others would have more or less drafted the players they did.

It’s tough to hear I know.

It's not artificial. The equalisation concept of the draft is that pick 2 gets you the bloke you consider the 2nd best prospect. The equalisation concept doesn't work if the 5th ranked team gets better prospectrs than the 17th ranked team like what is occuring regularly.

 

[Elixuh]

It's not artificial. The equalisation concept of the draft is that pick 2 gets you the bloke you consider the 2nd best prospect. The equalisation concept doesn't work if the 5th ranked team gets better prospectrs than the 17th ranked team like what is occuring regularly.

The draft has never worked this way.

 

[sr36]

I made a long post, but it's effectively a hidden factor with incremental gains, of which the benefit is clear in a year that you have a weak draft but lots of bid eligible DVI players.

Great post. However, I'd suggest that the weak draft reduced their advantage a bit and they had to pull value from the future rather than being able to pop value into the future as well as adding points like they'd done previously - teams weren't paying as much to trade up in the draft or from the future into the draft.

What they did in 2023 was absolutely ridiculous.

 

[sr36]

The draft has never worked this way.

There's always been FS - but there's now way more of the top kids not draftable.

But if you mean it doesn't always work out that the best player goes 1 - of course it doesn't, but the likelihood of getting a hit does go down significantly as you move down the draft. So the bottom team was more likely to get a good player and then it becoming less likely as you move through the draft. The recruiters are good enough that the stats show a very strong trend.

 

[Elixuh]

There's always been FS - but there's now way more of the top kids not draftable.

But if you mean it doesn't always work out that the best player goes 1 - of course it doesn't, but the likelihood of getting a hit does go down significantly as you move down the draft. So the bottom team was more likely to get a good player and then it becoming less likely as you move through the draft. The recruiters are good enough that the stats show a very strong trend.

None of the above.

The draft doesn’t work because some teams can’t pick some players because the concentration of talent is in one state and some players refuse to leave.