Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[MC Extra Dollop]

Maybe I should reword what I wrote. If the blowout is Justified. Not unnecessary waste and that's really up to different people what they classify as unnecessary waste isn't it? Remember federally the Liberal party think handouts is unnecessary waste

It's where you probably want the "better economic managers" in charge. Prices will change over the length of a 10 year project, shock horror. With that uncertainty, some people's answer would appear to be "Never build anything that can't be completed in an election cycle", which is both unrealistic and detrimental.

Apart from the obvious (that it's well constructed and meets all regulations) I'd say getting something done on time is probably the main goal and then being able to stack up with similar infrastructure projects nationwide and globally in terms of the ultimate cost and budget blowouts.

 

[evolved2]

So you're agreeing that cost isn't an issue and should never be considered when assessing whether a piece of infrastructure provides benefit to the community or not?

I'm saying the opposite of that.

 

[deck]

Two schools have had their lockdowns lifted after an eight-year-old boy was stabbed at a primary school in Berwick on Thursday morning.
Brentwood Park Primary School and Kambrya College were placed into lockdown after a stabbing on school grounds on Bemersyde Drive about 9am.

Both schools are located on the same street, just a few hundred metres from each other

n 11-year-old boy was questioned by police over the incident and taken to Monash Medical Centre for treatment, while the eight-year-old boy was treated at the scene by paramedics with “non-life threatening” injuries.

A female staff member was also treated for injuries at the school.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/berwick-schools-brentwood-park-primary-and-kambrya-college-in-lockdown-after-student-stabbed/news-story/77b7dbe71c673fc0df8b47097aef06f0

WTF

Wrong thread?

 

[Crankyhawk]

So if a patient is delirious they can't provide consent as they don't have capacity therefore transport would have occurred. So she probably wasn't delirious.

Doesn't sound like any family on scene had medical power of attorney. Therefore no forced transport.

Hence the need for VVED to provide further examination and to convince the patient that she should attend hospital. Which she did via private means.


Except not all pelvic fractures are excruciatingly painful. She's still in Warragul Hospital which tells me that the fracture is minor and so is the bleed otherwise she would have been transported out to another facility to manage her.

The around the traps gossip I heard today was she refused transfer with paramedics initially.
(I have avoided looking at the file)

 

[UltraEgo]

I don't know if this is the correct place to post this but, 2 animal cruelty investigators from Farm Transparency Project were arrested and denied bail for rescuing eight chickens from an abbatoir.

Meanwhile there are criminals going into homes with machetes and other weapons, stealing cars etc and getting bail and then re-offending.

Wtf is this backwards world!

 

[nut]

I don't know if this is the correct place to post this but, 2 animal cruelty investigators from Farm Transparency Project were arrested and denied bail for rescuing eight chickens from an abbatoir.

Meanwhile there are criminals going into homes with machetes and other weapons, stealing cars etc and getting bail and then re-offending.

Wtf is this backwards world!

What sought of chickens?

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

I don't know if this is the correct place to post this but, 2 animal cruelty investigators from Farm Transparency Project were arrested and denied bail for rescuing eight chickens from an abbatoir.

Meanwhile there are criminals going into homes with machetes and other weapons, stealing cars etc and getting bail and then re-offending.

Wtf is this backwards world!

Checks age of offenders.....tick.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I mean, it's a mistake, right? No one in their right mind would knowingly decide to charge people $5 to walk through two train stations just to get to a shopping centre.

The easy fix there is treat the gatelines as one complete station and have it come up as Melbourne Central/State Library.

Realistically though its a train station and not a thoroughfare for non travellers.

Ok, but "if the blowout is justified" requires considerable explanation of justification. It can't be "because we just need to get it built", because that's lots of things, including stuff that never even gets considered.

Blowouts are inevitable.

 

[kalex6251]

The around the traps gossip I heard today was she refused transfer with paramedics initially.
(I have avoided looking at the file)

if true, the resident RWNJs, Qookers, cosplay nazis and other assorted whackjob crazies that latched on to this story like a starving dungbeetle wont be happy

[edit] if true pt 2 - msm have questions to answer here

 

[The Punter]

Blowouts are inevitable.

As demonstrated, there is a unique Victorian element to increased costs that was needless and avoidable.

 

[UltraEgo]

What sought of chickens?

why does that matter?

 

[nut]

why does that matter?

Some chickens are nicer than others

 

[Saint]

As demonstrated, there is a unique Victorian element to increased costs that was needless and avoidable.

Except if you actually look interstate, instead of just accepting "Victoria bad".

Cross River Rail in Brisbane went from $5bn to $19bn and the scope didn't change very much.

Rozelle interchange in Sydney went from $3.9 bn to $8.7bn.
WestConnex in total went from $10bn to $45bn.

Torrens to Darlington in Adelaide has gone from $10bn to $15bn

So what's the basis for your "unique Victorian element to increased costs"?

Just the vibe? Did Sky News or the Herald Sun tell you?

 

[The Punter]

Except if you actually look interstate, instead of just accepting "Victoria bad".

Cross River Rail in Brisbane went from $5bn to $19bn and the scope didn't change very much.

Rozelle interchange in Sydney went from $3.9 bn to $8.7bn.
WestConnex in total went from $10bn to $45bn.

Torrens to Darlington in Adelaide has gone from $10bn to $15bn

So what's the basis for your "unique Victorian element to increased costs"?

Just the vibe? Did Sky News or the Herald Sun tell you?

I've explained this before, although I am happy to concede not to your satisfaction. A decision of the Andrews Labor Government, not taken by other states, increased the cost of labour. Not a blowout or a misestimation of costs, a choice to make things needlessly more expensive.

I've never denied blowouts have occurred in other places, but in fact I haven't been talking about blowouts at all, just the choice in Victoria to build things in a more expensive manner, which was not necessary.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Except if you actually look interstate, instead of just accepting "Victoria bad".

Cross River Rail in Brisbane went from $5bn to $19bn and the scope didn't change very much.

Rozelle interchange in Sydney went from $3.9 bn to $8.7bn.
WestConnex in total went from $10bn to $45bn.

Torrens to Darlington in Adelaide has gone from $10bn to $15bn

So what's the basis for your "unique Victorian element to increased costs"?

Just the vibe? Did Sky News or the Herald Sun tell you?

Crossrail in the UK
14.8 billion to 18.8 billion pounds.

 

[Saint]

I've explained this before, although I am happy to concede not to your satisfaction. A decision of the Andrews Labor Government, not taken by other states, increased the cost of labour. Not a blowout or a misestimation of costs, a choice to make things needlessly more expensive.

I've never denied blowouts have occurred in other places, but in fact I haven't been talking about blowouts at all, just the choice in Victoria to build things in a more expensive manner, which was not necessary.

CFMEU build most of the infrastructure/tunnelling jobs on the eastern seaboard. It's not uniquely Victorian that the Construction Union is responsible for most of the construction.

 

[The Punter]

CFMEU build most of the infrastructure/tunnelling jobs on the eastern seaboard. It's not uniquely Victorian that the Construction Union is responsible for most of the construction.

They didn't before 2015. AWU labour did. They did it well, and they were paid well.

 

[Saint]

They didn't before 2015. AWU labour did. They did it well, and they were paid well.

CFMEU built CityLink in the 90's.

Neoliberal ideas pushed by the IPA and Liberal Party tell us the CFMEU are better workers because they're paid more. So it should get done better!!

Then again, they did post this absolute gem of a Briefing:

The First Rung: The Role Of Low-paid Work In Building Success

IPA - The First Rung: The Role Of Low-paid Work In Building Success -

ipa.org.au

• There is high upward mobility from low-paid work, with 64 per cent of workers in low-paid work transitioning into higher paid work within two years.

They go on to show that this is a reason to lower the minimum wage.

Let's face it. The Liberals just don't want ordinary workers paid more, ever. Why did they appoint Tier 1 contractors to all these jobs when Tier-1 executives get paid more than Tier-2 executives? And why isn't that part of your problem?

 

[The Punter]

CFMEU built CityLink in the 90's.

Neoliberal ideas pushed by the IPA and Liberal Party tell us the CFMEU are better workers because they're paid more. So it should get done better!!

Then again, they did post this absolute gem of a Briefing:

The First Rung: The Role Of Low-paid Work In Building Success

IPA - The First Rung: The Role Of Low-paid Work In Building Success -

ipa.org.au

• There is high upward mobility from low-paid work, with 64 per cent of workers in low-paid work transitioning into higher paid work within two years.

They go on to show that this is a reason to lower the minimum wage.

Let's face it. The Liberals just don't want ordinary workers paid more, ever. Why did they appoint Tier 1 contractors to all these jobs when Tier-1 executives get paid more than Tier-2 executives? And why isn't that part of your problem?

I've railed against executives being needlessly hired in this very thread, and have never been a member of the IPA.

I will continue to discuss the Allan Labor Government in a thread about the Allan Labor Government.

But bonus points for bringing us back to bad old Jeff. Why did Bracks choose the AWU to build the East West Link then?

 

[Saint]

I've railed against executives being needlessly hired in this very thread, and have never been a member of the IPA.

I will continue to discuss the Allan Labor Government in a thread about the Allan Labor Government.

But bonus points for bringing us back to bad old Jeff. Why did Bracks choose the AWU to build the East West Link then?

You railed against Government Executives, not Private Sector executives.

You keep saying the Vic Govt is doing wrong by favouring the CFMEU over the AWU for big infra projects because CFMEU workers get paid more. But you didn't answer the question of why they chose Tier 1 contractors who also get paid more than tier 2 contractors.

You also said the AWU used to build everything before the 2010's, which was just wrong.

Also, doesn't the contractor (those very well paid execs) work with the workforce and Unions rather than the Government?

 

[The Punter]

You railed against Government Executives, not Private Sector executives.

You keep saying the Vic Govt is doing wrong by favouring the CFMEU over the AWU for big infra projects because CFMEU workers get paid more. But you didn't answer the question of why they chose Tier 1 contractors who also get paid more than tier 2 contractors.

You also said the AWU used to build everything before the 2010's, which was just wrong.

Also, doesn't the contractor (those very well paid execs) work with the workforce and Unions rather than the Government?

The Government sets the parameters of the tender. That was a requirement.

I don't have an answer to your Tier 1 question.

I am guilty of a lack of precision in my language. The immediately previous Liberal and Labor Governments used AWU labour for civil construction. That was no longer the case under the current government.

The current government chose to use taxpayer's money to make this choice, and it has contributed to a significant level of government debt. If you choose to attempt to obfuscate this choice of the current government, that's up to you. AWU workers were not poorly paid. They were not on minimum wage. There was no issue with the quality of their work.

 

[GreyWind]

The around the traps gossip I heard today was she refused transfer with paramedics initially.
(I have avoided looking at the file)

It's what I've heard as well, but you know too late now thanks to the Hun. Couple of my colleagues have already copped abuse from it.

 

[10571z]

Thank gosh, the machete wielding teens in Doreen were given bail hours later!

who will the unlucky member of the public be who gets traumatised by them next..

 

[Sttew]

Jacinta has been out spruiking the Metro Tunnel like her existence depends on it… which it probably does.

By the way I had a good look at Anzac Station yesterday. Very clean and impressive.

On 3AW this morning she told listeners the Metro Tunnel, SRL, and NEL are about a “fairer Victoria”. Expect to hear that term a lot! Moving forward, what does fairer really mean? Waiting lists at public hospital getting longer. More pot holes. More taxes?

On SRL Jacinta claimed that in the 2026 Budget Albo and the Federal Government will “match” the state government’s contribution already, so that will be $10 billion more than what the Feds have already contributed.

She also declared SRL is on budget and on time. When pressed whether that meant the 2021 figures being used are still accurate she said yes.

 

[BomToydd]

On 3AW this morning she told listeners the Metro Tunnel, SRL, and NEL are about a “fairer Victoria”. Expect to hear that term a lot! Moving forward, what does fairer really mean? Waiting lists at public hospital getting longer. More pot holes. More taxes?

How fair is it for the shadow housing minister to own like 16 properties when most can't afford one?