Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Pakenhamsaint]

At a far reduced capacity. This is why I and so many hate politics.

As I said no different to other places.
Theres nothing unusual about it.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

At a far reduced capacity. This is why I and so many hate politics.

Every independent expert I've read has welcomed the opening approach as a common sense way to introduce this to the existing network.

Depends on whether you think Jacqui Felgate or Graham Currie is a better equipped expert to comment on this sort of strategy I suppose.

 

[nut]

Every independent expert I've read has welcomed the opening approach as a common sense way to introduce this to the existing network.

Depends on whether you think Jacqui Felgate or Graham Currie is a better equipped expert to comment on this sort of strategy I suppose.

Are they still telling everyone the trains dont fit?

 

[Sttew]

Battin never even tried to complain about the Metro project.

Why would you overthrow him when two big mega projects are about to open and Allan does victory drive-throughs for weeks or months?

Because Wilson will focus sharply on the things that the Allan government have let slip, other than crime which looks to have been neutralised.

 

[Saint]

Because Wilson will focus sharply on the things that the Allan government have let slip, other than crime which looks to have been neutralised.

So the Libs are going to tell us that they'll fix health, education and the budget at the same time again?

The cookers and boomers are still going to be fear-mongering about crime, don't worry.

I'm still not sure what the criticism of Battin is. He wasn't loud enough or getting cut-through a year before an election when absolutely nobody is thinking about the state election?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

So the Libs are going to tell us that they'll fix health, education and the budget at the same time again?

The cookers and boomers are still going to be fear-mongering about crime, don't worry.

I'm still not sure what the criticism of Battin is. He wasn't loud enough or getting cut-through a year before an election when absolutely nobody is thinking about the state election?

He'd never really given an impression one way or another on whether his leadership was having an impact. I can't recall him having any terrible gaffes or scandals, which reeks of a personality clash to me, rather than whether he was the best person to lead. Which is pretty much exactly what you'd expect from the Vic Libs. I'm sure they'll give Jess Wilson a clear run now: a lone voice of dissent on the Voice Referendum.

Edit: incoorect about her support for Treaty

 

[The Punter]

He'd never really given an impression one way or another on whether his leadership was having an impact. I can't recall him having any terrible gaffes or scandals, which reeks of a personality clash to me, rather than whether he was the best person to lead. Which is pretty much exactly what you'd expect from the Vic Libs. I'm sure they'll give Jess Wilson a clear run now: a lone voice of dissent on the Voice Referendum and a supporter of Treaty.

You're going to have to provide a source on Ms Wilson's support of the Treaty legislation.

 

[Saint]

She supported the Voice, but I haven't seen pro-treaty. In October she was spruiking the LNP's First Nations Victoria, a brand new Department with a responsible Minister.

I'm guessing that would be subject to all the same attacks as the current Labor Setup (costs, special treatment, etc.). The Lib supporters didn't like it under Battin and they'll like it less under Wilson.

Different jockey, same horse.

 

[Sttew]

So the Libs are going to tell us that they'll fix health, education and the budget at the same time again?

I take from this comment that you acknowledge Health, Education and the Budget have been neglected by the Allan government?

The cookers and boomers are still going to be fear-mongering about crime, don't worry.

Was it fear mongering about crime that finally convinced Allan to announce the sweeping changes? Emphasis on 'announce'.

 

[Saint]

I take from this comment that you acknowledge Health, Education and the Budget have been neglected by the Allan government?




Was it fear mongering about crime that finally convinced Allan to announce the sweeping changes? Emphasis on 'announce'.

Health, Education, transport and the budget are practically the only things which matter in state politics.

I imagine they're not going to be attackable by the Libs on Transport, so that leaves the rest.

Yes, it was fear-mongering which led to an empty announcement. That's how these things work.

Media froths something up to upset people. Government makes up some smoke and mirrors to cloud it all up again.

Back in the 2000's people used to complain about transport problems and the solution was another study, then another study. (see High-speed rail, airport rail etc). Media frothed, Govt announced study. Then the ALP got on and built a bunch of stuff. Unfortunately for them, Health and Education are ongoing costs which hit the budget bottom line, so they are not bolstered when the budget isn't in great shape.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

You're going to have to provide a source on Ms Wilson's support of the Treaty legislation.

Will own that I just read that second hand from a non-credible source and that it's totally incorrect. Have edited my post.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

They surely did lol. Rabble.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You're going to have to provide a source on Ms Wilson's support of the Treaty legislation.

She supported the Voice, but I haven't seen pro-treaty.

Will own that I just read that second hand from a non-credible source and that it's totally incorrect. Have edited my post.

Jess Wilson is apparently the sole Vic Liberal who was in favour of the Indigenous Voice to Parliament

(possibly affected by paywall) https://www.afr.com/opinion/jess-wi...beral-party-is-still-relevant-20251118-p5ngay
Nov 18, 2025

...Wilson was the only Victorian Liberal MP to publicly back the Voice referendum, for example. She worked on the BCA’s approach to climate change, making it even less likely she will follow the federal Liberals over an electoral cliff...

and

Meet Victoria's millennial Liberal leader Jess Wilson

Jess Wilson, 35, has stepped up to become the first woman to lead one state's Liberal party, a feat achieved in her first term as an MP.

au.news.yahoo.com

18 November 2025

- The only Victorian Liberal MP to support an Indigenous voice to parliament and is pro-choice

However she spoke against Victoria's Treaty legislation and instead put forward an alternative

Home | Parliament of Victoria

Hansard is the official report of the proceedings of the Parliament of Victoria.

hansard.parliament.vic.gov.au

STATEWIDE TREATY BILL 2025
14/10/2025

I want to begin by acknowledging that the issues touched by this bill today are deeply sensitive for many people – our First Nations people and others who have worked in good faith to shape what we see before us today. Thank you to the co-chairs of the First Peoples’ Assembly for their speeches today. I also acknowledge that what I am about to say will be disappointing to some people, but I intend today to outline why I cannot support this bill despite my genuine commitment to improving outcomes for Aboriginal Victorians, who continue to face disadvantage across the state...

...That is why the coalition has announced an alternative approach: First Nations Victoria, an autonomous department dedicated to delivering measurable progress on Closing the Gap targets in health, education, justice, housing and child and family wellbeing, focused on practical outcomes in each one of these important areas.

This department will work in genuine partnership with First Nations Victorians to deliver community-led, transparent policy and service delivery. One minister will be responsible for its performance, ensuring real oversight and providing true accountability to Parliament and to all Victorians. Quarterly updates and annual reports will be tabled publicly, so progress is measurable, transparent and focused on results. That is our commitment...

I've introduced some paragraphing to the excerpt to make it easier on the eyes.

Incidently Jess has some links with the Institute for Public Affairs

Turf wars and tussles within the Young Liberals

Divisions within the Victorian Young Liberals are rife, with the alleged dominance of the IPA continuing to ruffle feathers within the party's youth wing, writes Neil McMahon.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Sttew]

Jacinta and her Health bobble head colleague, Maryanne Thomas, have both declared the decision by the Virtual ED and paramedics not to assign an ambulance to a 91 year old woman with broken pelvis and bleeding on the brain was appropriate. In what world does this happen?

Why couldn’t they just admit a mistake was made by Virtual Emergency Department? Because VED is a government funded initiative that was meant to ease pressure on the ambulance service and hospitals.

This story now will not go away.

 

[GreyWind]

Jacinta and her Health bobble head colleague, Maryanne Thomas, have both declared the decision by the Virtual ED and paramedics not to assign an ambulance to a 91 year old woman with broken pelvis and bleeding on the brain was appropriate. In what world does this happen?

Why couldn’t they just admit a mistake was made by Virtual Emergency Department? Because VED is a government funded initiative that was meant to ease pressure on the ambulance service and hospitals.

This story now will not go away.

The story will go away as more information comes out.

 

[Sttew]

The story will go away as more information comes out.

Like what? In any case the optics are bad and the damage done. An in-house review by the organisations at the centre of the controversy is not going to conclude anything wrong occurred. In fact, I bet the report has already been written

 

[GreyWind]

Like what? In any case the optics are bad and the damage done. An in-house review by the organisations at the centre of the controversy is not going to conclude anything wrong occurred. In fact, I bet the report has already been written

Like that she refused transport with AV and then refused transport with a VVED consult.

Please tell me more about AV clinical reviews. Dying to hear how you know how these things go.

 

[Sttew]

Like that she refused transport with AV and then refused transport with a VVED consult.

Please tell me more about AV clinical reviews. Dying to hear how you know how these things go.

We are talking about a 91 year woman who has suffered a fall resulting in a fractured pelvis and bleeding on the brain. Even if the full extent of injuries wasn’t clear, surely you’d err on the side of caution, even if the patient, who was probably delirious, was resistant.

I do know a fractured pelvis is excruciatingly painful, and without X-ray or MRI you won’t know the degree of instability. Best practice is to avoid unnecessary movement that could cause further damage, hence it is recommended you lie flat.

I heard the Danny Hill interview. He described the AV response as flawless. Surely all AV needed to do was give the full story instead of having to hear politicians dismissing any criticism without any context.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Jacinta and her Health bobble head colleague, Maryanne Thomas, have both declared the decision by the Virtual ED and paramedics not to assign an ambulance to a 91 year old woman with broken pelvis and bleeding on the brain was appropriate. In what world does this happen?

Why couldn’t they just admit a mistake was made by Virtual Emergency Department? Because VED is a government funded initiative that was meant to ease pressure on the ambulance service and hospitals.

This story now will not go away.

So, not knowing the case in detail, this could have been a nursing home patient who had a prior advanced care directive to not transfer to hospital and had access to palliative care medication at the nursing home
Or another a broken pelvis could be simply a fracture of the pubic ramus - while painful the treatment is painkillers and stay mobile - and "bleeding on the brain" could be as minimal as a traumatic SAH with no mass effect and not neurology

And yes, it could also be old woman falls is in severe pain, can't walk and AV decide not too transport.

 

[Crankyhawk]

We are talking about a 91 year woman who has suffered a fall resulting in a fractured pelvis and bleeding on the brain. Even if the full extent of injuries wasn’t clear, surely you’d err on the side of caution, even if the patient, who was probably delirious, was resistant.

I do know a fractured pelvis is excruciatingly painful, and without X-ray or MRI you won’t know the degree of instability. Best practice is to avoid unnecessary movement that could cause further damage, hence it is recommended you lie flat.

I heard the Danny Hill interview. He described the AV response as flawless. Surely all AV needed to do was give the full story instead of having to hear politicians dismissing any criticism without any context.

difficult to release "full story" when it involves patient medical details and confidentiality

 

[GreyWind]

We are talking about a 91 year woman who has suffered a fall resulting in a fractured pelvis and bleeding on the brain. Even if the full extent of injuries wasn’t clear, surely you’d err on the side of caution, even if the patient, who was probably delirious, was resistant.

So if a patient is delirious they can't provide consent as they don't have capacity therefore transport would have occurred. So she probably wasn't delirious.

Doesn't sound like any family on scene had medical power of attorney. Therefore no forced transport.

Hence the need for VVED to provide further examination and to convince the patient that she should attend hospital. Which she did via private means.

I do know a fractured pelvis is excruciatingly painful, and without X-ray or MRI you won’t know the degree of instability. Best practice is to avoid unnecessary movement that could cause further damage, hence it is recommended you lie flat.

Except not all pelvic fractures are excruciatingly painful. She's still in Warragul Hospital which tells me that the fracture is minor and so is the bleed otherwise she would have been transported out to another facility to manage her.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Though will say from the news.com reporting of it does seem odd

• paramedic already on site
• which gives the implication that there was already a van, unless it was attendance by single paramedic in car (I am unfamiliar with how Drouin would be covered)

MSN

 

[Sttew]

So if a patient is delirious they can't provide consent as they don't have capacity therefore transport would have occurred. So she probably wasn't delirious.

Doesn't sound like any family on scene had medical power of attorney. Therefore no forced transport.

Hence the need for VVED to provide further examination and to convince the patient that she should attend hospital. Which she did via private means.


Except not all pelvic fractures are excruciatingly painful. She's still in Warragul Hospital which tells me that the fracture is minor and so is the bleed otherwise she would have been transported out to another facility to manage her.

I hear what you say. The problem in this case was the mass media exposure (not just the usual suspects), and then having the Health minister come out immediately and say “nothing to see here” and declaring our health system to be best in the world without giving us the reasoning behind her confidence. Forgive me for being cynical. I think we’ve heard too much government spin.

Maybe the system is flawed? Also, I’m curious why the family is now making a song and dance about what happened.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I hear what you say. The problem in this case was the mass media exposure (not just the usual suspects), and then having the Health minister come out immediately and say “nothing to see here” and declaring our health system to be best in the world without giving us the reasoning behind her confidence. Forgive me for being cynical. I think we’ve heard too much government spin.

Maybe the system is flawed? Also, I’m curious why the family is now making a song and dance about what happened.

Could be as simple as family got talking to others who thought this is odd. And it only happened last Sunday, a bit of time to process, discuss then contact media, timeframe doesn’t seem outrageous to me

Edit and IF there was no on site ambulance (single car response) family may have been told much faster to self present than wait for ambulance (particularly in rural area)

 

[GreyWind]

I hear what you say. The problem in this case was the mass media exposure (not just the usual suspects), and then having the Health minister come out immediately and say “nothing to see here” and declaring our health system to be best in the world without giving us the reasoning behind her confidence. Forgive me for being cynical. I think we’ve heard too much government spin.

Fair enough for the cynicism. The Health Minister was always going to say that. The Minister will rarely if ever throw a health care service under the bus. But she's also right in saying there's nothing to see here.

We've heard the Government spin because of the way this case came out. Front page news, inflammatory headline, sympathetic patient with horrible picture.

If you want to blame someone, blame the MSM. By running stories in this manner nothing will get accomplished. Our healthcare and services are world class but they should be a hell of a lot better as well. Stories like this just provide emotive responses not actual fixes to systemic problems.

Maybe the system is flawed? Also, I’m curious why the family is now making a song and dance about what happened.

At a guess because of the injuries sustained, they sound severe so when talking to others about what happened people say that's horrible or that shouldn't happen you should contact someone about this. Then we end up with this big song and dance.