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Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?
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I think in terms of probability of hanging em up it would be Howe, Sidey, Pendles, Elliott, DeGoey.
Pendles has been chugging along as a low 20s disposal, supercoach avg of 90 who gets 20 odd coaches votes a season sort of consistent player since 2021.
Sidey fluctuates more, and don't think he has the tricks that Pendles does if his tank starts failing him.
Wouldn't surprise if Howe and Sidey hang em up at end of 2026, but Pendles goes again. 30-35 games across next two seasons for Pendles to finish around 460 games.
That's definitely a possibility. I think we will transition 2 out at the end of this year and probably 2 more at the end of 2027 (Pendlebury, Howe, Elliott and Sidebottom). But my feeling is that Howe and Pendles are the 1st to go. DeGoey then out in 2028 or maybe 2029 with him mostly taking over from Elliott in the forward line. Moore will be out in 2028/9.
Yep it is pretty standard stuff to have veterans retire - and clubs tend to move on 8-10 players each off season.
As highlighted earlier, we did the same back in 2020 - 2021 re veterans retiring. And we just moved on 5 2023 premiership veterans in the off-season this year.
The entire premise of successful list management is to keep your list contending, smart clubs are continually looking at the list...popping in a 29 year old to fill a role for 4 years is just as important as adding an 18 year old with potential
Give it 5 years and we then need to move on Perryman and Houston etc., guys we just added last year!
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I love the way you've framed that......I'm not sure Darcy Cameron, McStay or Josh Daicos have received a coaches vote in finals for their entire careers, let alone in 2023....but nice of you to pop them in the 'most important' category to suit your argument. So does your top-10 from 2023 include Pendles? Sidey? Quaynor? DeGoey? Crisp? Moore? Howe? Mihocek? Maynard? Elliott? Cox?
Pies beyond 2026 look pretty cooked. You've got 1 x bullet left in the gun if you get a miraculous run with injury, which is unlikely given the age profile of the list.
It's really hard to see the future when you have no high end draftees on the list, no elite youth outside Naicos and Tasmania coming in to dominate the draft. There's nothing wrong with that as the Pies have been very good, but it's looking really really dire and it's illogical to think otherwise.
Where do the quality players come from?
In 2020 Pies had: Moore, Howe, Pendles, Sidey, DeGoey, Crisp, J Daicos, Quaynor, Maynard, Mihocek, Elliott, Cameron....all stil there.
Who on earth are the equivalent types on the current list you can count on in 2028-29?
I thought we were using our last bullet in 2025?
And prior to that, I thought we were cooked for the next 5 years in 2021?
You guys really need to make up your minds. You're embarrassing yourselves.
Or more accurately, the Collingwood Football Club are embarrassing you.
D. Cameron is one of our most important players, full stop.
As I said earlier, Pies don't win either the Qualifying or Preliminary Final without McStay.
J. Daicos was the Pies B&F in 2023.
So yes, all 3 are in the top 10 most important across the finals series.
Add in De Goey for his outstanding Preliminary Final, Pendlebury because he's Pendlebury, and Jack Crisp who was awarded the best finals player across the 2023 finals series, and I'd have them as the top 9.
But as you suggest, the Pies are an evenly performed outfit, and others may have different opinions.
The point stands - good teams turn over their lists at a high frequency. Which is what we've continued to do in 2026.
LOLOLOL.
Regardless of the fact J. Daicos and Quaynor will still likely be on the Pies list in 2028/29 - they'll be in their late 20's - are you really questioning how a team can possibly turn over 10 players in an 8 or 9 year period?
Oh boy.
Snooze fest. Its like you came in and posted but ignored all the previous posts. The quality players come from the same place they have come from over the last 25 years. Trading and the draft.
LOLOL.
How's the post?
'How can you possibly replace 10 players over an 8 or 9 year period?'
I guess it did take them over 3 decades to recover from losing Michael Roach, Kevin Bartlett and Jim Jess...
Oh boy.
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On face value I can understand the 'cliff'
However, Collingwood do do transition / rebuilds / regeneration whatever term / word you wanna use differently than most.
If you look at our history of flags, rarely have we had the better talent than the opposition. 2010 most likely, even then we were up against an almighty superbly balanced Saints team. Probably their best team since 04 05 then back to 70 71.
Even 1990 the Bombers list was arguably better, certainly 58 we were nowhere near that Demons side for talent.
I guess you've already summised my point.
What Collingwood does differently to most is development of game with the youth they've got, then trade in players that they believe can enhance their game. Yeah I know it sounds like 'all teams do this', however the point is that we don't resort to the draft or youth for want of a better term when it looks like a downward turn, like now.
2025 was all chips in to win the flag, hence not much youth getting game time.
2026 is likely the year that our youth will get more game time, as has been pointed out many times in this thread. We'll find out how they develop.
We've done this over the course of the competition, or since 'drafting' came in.
A lot of clubs, DO resort to the youth they've got or the draft and basically concede they're 'rebuilding' from the bottom. North after their prelim runs that ended in 2015 then offloaded Boomer Harvey. Didn't end well and still no fruit.
We don't do that at Collingwood. What Collingwood does is NOT believe that list talent is the be all and end all, or more accurately not as much as other clubs, hence why we've won so many flags NOT being the best list in it. 2023 is a great example.
If you wanna get technical, well we 'rebuild' every year, like every club, it's how you define the term I guess.
43 Grand Finals appearance is testament to the method, 6 this century, despite supposedly falling down the ladder we always find ways to contend, like after 2021 when supposedly the cliff came.
However, Collingwood do do transition / rebuilds / regeneration whatever term / word you wanna use differently than most.
If you look at our history of flags, rarely have we had the better talent than the opposition. 2010 most likely, even then we were up against an almighty superbly balanced Saints team. Probably their best team since 04 05 then back to 70 71.
Even 1990 the Bombers list was arguably better, certainly 58 we were nowhere near that Demons side for talent.
I guess you've already summised my point.
What Collingwood does differently to most is development of game with the youth they've got, then trade in players that they believe can enhance their game. Yeah I know it sounds like 'all teams do this', however the point is that we don't resort to the draft or youth for want of a better term when it looks like a downward turn, like now.
2025 was all chips in to win the flag, hence not much youth getting game time.
2026 is likely the year that our youth will get more game time, as has been pointed out many times in this thread. We'll find out how they develop.
We've done this over the course of the competition, or since 'drafting' came in.
A lot of clubs, DO resort to the youth they've got or the draft and basically concede they're 'rebuilding' from the bottom. North after their prelim runs that ended in 2015 then offloaded Boomer Harvey. Didn't end well and still no fruit.
We don't do that at Collingwood. What Collingwood does is NOT believe that list talent is the be all and end all, or more accurately not as much as other clubs, hence why we've won so many flags NOT being the best list in it. 2023 is a great example.
If you wanna get technical, well we 'rebuild' every year, like every club, it's how you define the term I guess.
43 Grand Finals appearance is testament to the method, 6 this century, despite supposedly falling down the ladder we always find ways to contend, like after 2021 when supposedly the cliff came.
Hindsight hero stuff
In 2020
- D.Cameron was a 25 yr old trade from Sydney who had played just 11 games
- J.Daicos was a late 50s draft pick that hadn't put it together
- IQ was a draftee who had barely played 10 games
- Elliott was a 28 yr old mid sized forward who was to that point a 30 goal a year type in a good year, when he wasn't injured
The current gap is KPD, we don't have a 25 yr old established KPD coming through like we did with Moore.
It is just silly stuff.
In 2020, Howe was the 29 yr old HBF, in 2026 it is now Maynard
In 2020, Maynard was the 24 yr old HBF, in 2026 it is IQ now
In 2020, IQ was a draftee who barely played, we have many potential HB options who have barely played...we need one to develop.
That is exactly how you turn over your backline.
And in 2020 we didn't have a 23 yr old AFL MVP on our list, we do in 2026
