Operation Epstein Fury: US/Israel attack on Iran

[faible]

You forgot about the decades of US sanctions and the assassination of its top scientists by Israel the terrorist state. You think Australia would look the same if they were to experience this

Yeah, it's pretty reductive to pretend their economy is in the toilet for no discernible reason. They've been under sanctions on and off for decades, agreed to a nuclear deal under Obama to lift some of them, sort-of-kind-of abided by the deal-ish (and let's not pretend the US or other countries aren't doing their own dodgy shit in this space) until Trump tore the deal up and re-implemented sanctions. Trump has since not been able to do a deal because he's not actually good at making deals.

As usual, external meddling has a significant impact upon internal state of affairs.

 

[faible]

I’m not in anyway an Iran regime supporter but wtf does “By the reports” mean? Nobody really knows the death toll in Gaza. They won’t allow journalists in. And yes I know the “official” local figures but can anyone honestly dispute that there must be thousands buried under the rubble?

Internal slaughter often fails to get the same publicity as invading and slaughtering civilians in other countries. There's a pretty big media blackout in Iran so there's very limited verifiable details. Plus, Iran's regime is no ally of Australia so our government isn't really doing anything to defend their actions or trade with them.

But of course you have chuds pretending it's only because of Jews.

 

[kalex6251]

Rupert Murdoch reports that Stephanie Rice is pleading for Dubai to be spared from missile strikes. Nice to know that we're getting all the important news.

a bible basher marries a christian pastor .... moves to dubai .... then gets upset when religious nutters start throwing drunken haymakers outside her front door

layers upon layers of intrigue

 

[Saint]

Yep, Irans military is woefully badly equipped.

One squadron of American or Israeli F35's could probably take out their entire air force.

A country with as much oil as them having such a shit economy, just shows you how ****ed the joint is.

The squadron was flown and run by those loyal to the Shah. Part of the emergence and creation of the IRGC was to counter how entrenched pro-monarchists were in the Air Force in particular.

After the Iran-Iraq war, they barely focused on the air force, until during the Persian Gulf War between Iraq and the USA, the Iraqi airforce basically defected to Iran. Iran kept them for a while then gave 130 planes back in 2014.

Iran focused on missiles and drones rather than the airforce, which is probably where warfare is headed. air-to-air combat barely ever happens any more.

 

[Zidane98]

The rationale behind the Saudi attacks seems bizarre as the Saudis specifically did not allow any US military operations against Iran to be conducted from Saudi territory.

They made a big point about this publicly and MBS even phoned Khamenei advising Saudi's position.

Attacking UK bases in Cyprus also not a smart move.

 

[Zidane98]

China must be worried that their flow of bargain basement Iranian oil is in jeopardy.

 

[Aussie in exile]

China must be worried that their flow of bargain basement Iranian oil is in jeopardy.

Also lets not forget that amount of rockets that iran supplies to russia to attack Ukraine

 

[TheSunGod]

Solid strategy that, likely to end well for Iran.

Destabilising the whole region. Make the war too costly for the yanks.

 

[Zidane98]

Also lets not forget that amount of rockets that iran supplies to russia to attack Ukraine

Yep. Putin has seen fine friends of his Assad, Maduro, Nasrallah & Khamenei either be arrested or assassinated.


Russia relies heavily on cruise / ballistic missiles , suicide drones from Iran.

How friendly the new Iranian regime is to Putin remains to be seen.

Of course Russia offered no help to its ally.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Wonder who this is?

My bets on Hegseth...

 

[steve strange]

China must be worried that their flow of bargain basement Iranian oil is in jeopardy.

US economy bankrupts

 

[HirdsTheWord]

The squadron was flown and run by those loyal to the Shah. Part of the emergence and creation of the IRGC was to counter how entrenched pro-monarchists were in the Air Force in particular.

After the Iran-Iraq war, they barely focused on the air force, until during the Persian Gulf War between Iraq and the USA, the Iraqi airforce basically defected to Iran. Iran kept them for a while then gave 130 planes back in 2014.

Iran focused on missiles and drones rather than the airforce, which is probably where warfare is headed. air-to-air combat barely ever happens any more.

air to air combat is rare, agreed.

air to ground is where wars are won.

You own air space you win wars. Its that simple.

Countries like US, China etc are investing heavily in Gen 6 fighters for a reason, not just because they liked the movie Topgun.

Missiles & Drones are largely useless if you don't own the airspace. They just get intercepted or at least the far majority do.

 

[EagleMan87]

But the probability of it not working out is not zero. Japan, west germany, panama, grenada all worked out. More recently afghanistan was working out until the americans just gave up on it.

If the probability is above zero then its better then what we have right now in Iran as it cant get worse there.

They all had large amounts of US troops for a long period of time. Do you think they'll try the same with Iran?

 

[Saint]

air to air combat is rare, agreed.

air to ground is where wars are won.

You own air space you win wars. Its that simple.

Countries like US, China etc are investing heavily in Gen 6 fighters for a reason, not just because they liked the movie Topgun.

Soon, an unmanned craft will go faster and be able to turn quicker than a human body can sustain and those fighters will become obsolete. Maybe it's Gen 7 fighters.

In Ukraine, Russia theoretically has air dominance, but they, like Israel and the US are launching their ordnance from a long way away, not flying directly over. They're airborne missile/bomb launch platforms. They're not strafing or firing rockets like in TopGun.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Soon, an unmanned craft will go faster and be able to turn quicker than a human body can sustain and those fighters will become obsolete. Maybe it's Gen 7 fighters.

In Ukraine, Russia theoretically has air dominance, but they, like Israel and the US are launching their ordnance from a long way away, not flying directly over. They're airborne missile/bomb launch platforms. They're not strafing or firing rockets like in TopGun.

true but irrespective, whether they are operated by humans or not fighter aircraft with the ability drop bomb payloads are still a major reason why wars are won.

The fact Iran doesn't have an air force is a major reason why no one thinks much of their military, Israel would kick their ass on their own and they are like 1/10 the size of it. Probably why they wanted nukes in the first place.

 

[Zidane98]

They all had large amounts of US troops for a long period of time. Do you think they'll try the same with Iran?

Don't see that happening with Iran.

 

[RedOrWhite]

Dubai's reputation as a playground for the rich might be collateral damage here.

Good

 

[Zidane98]

One thing that is certain in war - Russians being cowards

 

[TheSunGod]

Trump has said it will be over in two make that four weeks

 

[Sphynx]

Soon, an unmanned craft will go faster and be able to turn quicker than a human body can sustain and those fighters will become obsolete. Maybe it's Gen 7 fighters.

In Ukraine, Russia theoretically has air dominance, but they, like Israel and the US are launching their ordnance from a long way away, not flying directly over. They're airborne missile/bomb launch platforms. They're not strafing or firing rockets like in TopGun.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting that.

Fact remains, most ordinances are being dropped by conventional aircraft. Air superiority is still important

 

[Markfs]

Yep. Putin has seen fine friends of his Assad, Maduro, Nasrallah & Khamenei either be arrested or assassinated.


Russia relies heavily on cruise / ballistic missiles , suicide drones from Iran.

How friendly the new Iranian regime is to Putin remains to be seen.

Of course Russia offered no help to its ally.

There's not much doubt that "our" empire is winning. Lucky we're with the chosen.

 

[Zidane98]

There's not much doubt that "our" empire is winning. Lucky we're with the chosen.

Hopefully the new Iran leadership sees fit pivot away from confrontation to doing a deal with ME neighbours.

 

[Markfs]

Dubai's reputation as a playground for the rich might be collateral damage here.

So the epstein crowd will need to relocate again? Hopefully, they can get australian law into suitable shape so we can host.

 

[Zidane98]

So the epstein crowd will need to relocate again? Hopefully, they can get australian law into suitable shape so we can host.

Pedo Putin would take them in Russia immediately.

 

[Saint]

I don’t think anyone was suggesting that.

Fact remains, most ordinances are being dropped by conventional aircraft. Air superiority is still important

Oh, it's absolutely important. But the manner in which it is currently maintained isn't always going to be the case.

It used to be that you could use SAMs to protect your airspace. But these craft are launching their ordnance from outside SAM range (not that Iran have any left).

So you don't need dominance over your skies, really, just the ability to launch from close to the target.

I don't think any US planes will have flown over Iranian airspace. Most of the attacks appear to have been in the north-west and probably mostly Israel/Jordanian-based.