Strategy 2019 - Best 22 & Player Discussion

[bushchook]

Please convince me that apart from the odd freakishly talented jet such as Fyfe and Yeo there are players in the top 90 ( 5 per club ) mids in the game who weren't midfielders all through their junior days and have become one by being shifted in there

I think anyone who was half decent at footy as a junior either played as a mid or a KPP. You don't stick your best player in the back pocket. At least not in juniors.

 

[WilloTree]

I have never worked out why they don’t train him up as an inside mid. He his one of our best runners, is seriously well built and has good clean hands.

or, at least give him a decent crack. Seems some blokes piss around for weeks and keep getting a games, but Hughesey seems to be first out regardless.

 

[dropbear101]

Who exactly are we putting in there that wasn’t a mid their whole junior career? Colyer and Walters maybe but they’ll be second or third rotation at best.

Guys like Blakely, Conca, Banfield, Brayshaw, Cerra and Bewley as far as I’m aware have always been mids until some AFL coach decided they needed versatility (this isn’t a dig at Ross because every coach is like this to a degree).

iIts a soccer tatic to have players roling their positions to confuse opposition defense.
Probs helps with people having a break as well modern midfielders need breaks to play at that intensity.

 

[theGav56]

iIts a soccer tatic to have players roling their positions to confuse opposition defense.
Probs helps with people having a break as well modern midfielders need breaks to play at that intensity.

Yes you are trying to find mismatches and work advantages where you can. But also with the fitness levels of midfielders they may be able to catch a semi-break by being outside of the engine room rather than sitting on the pine.

 

[theGav56]

FB: Logue, Hamling, Ryan
HB: Wilson, Pearce, Cerra
M: BHill, Conca, Langdon
HF: Walters, Cox, McCarthy
FF: Lobb, Hogan, Matera

R: Sandilands, Fyfe, Mundy
I: Brayshaw, Banfield, Colyer, Bennell

Em: Tucker, Duman, Bewley

Thought I would take a look at your proposed side and compare the speed of that forward line against their theoretical opponent from our backline.

Hogan/Pearce
Cox/Hamling
Lobb/Logue
McCarthy/Cerra
Walters/Wilson
Matera/Ryan

In bold is who I think has the edge in pace. That is my concern, and I'd definitely be getting Colyer and Bennell warmed up on the sidelines and into the fray asap.

Pretty happy with our backline, so maybe I am being a bit one-eyed. Also, if was SHill instead of Cerra they take that trick as well.

 

[salim malik]

Thought I would take a look at your proposed side and compare the speed of that forward line against their theoretical opponent from our backline.

Hogan/Pearce
Cox/Hamling
Lobb/Logue
McCarthy/Cerra
Walters/Wilson
Matera/Ryan

In bold is who I think has the edge in pace. That is my concern, and I'd definitely be getting Colyer and Bennell warmed up on the sidelines and into the fray asap.

Pretty happy with our backline, so maybe I am being a bit one-eyed. Also, if was SHill instead of Cerra they take that trick as well.[/QUOTE








Leg speed or ability to react quickly ? That's the million dollar question.

 

[theGav56]

Leg speed or ability to react quickly ? That's the million dollar question.

You don't have to be faster than your opponent to win a match-up, but the collective superiority of our backline there is a telling imbalance. I would prefer more speed in our forward line.

Marking ability has been significantly upgraded for us and we may never have had more marking power forward than Hogan, Lobb and Cox bring. It is an absolute strength. But again, in my match-ups versus our backline the ball is going to be coming to ground a fair bit of the time, and then leg speed is going to become a critical factor. If our smaller players are getting burned we will be at a disadvantage, without the leg speed to get to the ball first or keep the ball locked in the forward line due to the defensive pressure that speed brings.

 

[salim malik]

You don't have to be faster than your opponent to win a match-up, but the collective superiority of our backline there is a telling imbalance. I would prefer more speed in our forward line.

Marking ability has been significantly upgraded for us and we may never have had more marking power forward than Hogan, Lobb and Cox bring. It is an absolute strength. But again, in my match-ups versus our backline the ball is going to be coming to ground a fair bit of the time, and then leg speed is going to become a critical factor. If our smaller players are getting burned we will be at a disadvantage, without the leg speed to get to the ball first or keep the ball locked in the forward line due to the defensive pressure that speed brings.

If you can't read the play or read the ball drop leg speed means nothing. Roger the Dodger wasn't quick but he was the best small defender we have had. Footy nous and evasion skills beats leg speed every time imo

 

[Righteo]

Speed isn't just useful in regards to ball movement though, slow players can be a massive defensive liability when their man just runs away from them with impunity. It was the biggest knock on someone like Matt Priddis

 

[theGav56]

Speed isn't just useful in regards to ball movement though, slow players can be a massive defensive liability when their man just runs away from them with impunity. It was the biggest knock on someone like Matt Priddis

Exactly. And if you end up with a collectively slower forward line you are going to make things difficult for yourselves.

 

[One_Wing]

Who exactly are we putting in there that wasn’t a mid their whole junior career? Colyer and Walters maybe but they’ll be second or third rotation at best.

Guys like Blakely, Conca, Banfield, Brayshaw, Cerra and Bewley as far as I’m aware have always been mids until some AFL coach decided they needed versatility (this isn’t a dig at Ross because every coach is like this to a degree).

Walters was actually a mid through his juniors.

 

[theGav56]

If you can't read the play or read the ball drop leg speed means nothing. Roger the Dodger wasn't quick but he was the best small defender we have had. Footy nous and evasion skills beats leg speed every time imo

My footy nous comparison;

Hogan/Pearce
Cox/Hamling
Lobb/Logue
McCarthy/Cerra
Walters/Wilson
Matera/Ryan

Generally I think forwards are better football players than defenders, so as you as you would expect it is more even (and also a lot more contentious because it is opinion based). I also think the differences is some of the above match-ups in terms of footy nous is pretty marginal. The advantage forwards have in this situation is primarily that their team is delivering the ball so that should favour the forwards.

But in favour of defenders, unlike forwards they don't have to win the contest. Pearce spoiling Hogan is a "win", whereas Hogan spoiling Pearce is not.

So in this rating, even though I rate Cox/Hamling and Lobb/Logue the same in terms of footy nous, it is an easier task for the defender to get a "win" in an even contest, and after that, they have a speed advantage to exploit it.

 

[arsesmart]

It's generally never an either/or with speed vs footy talent at AFL level. It'll be some mix, which the player, coach/team need to make work to the best advantage.

Ideally speed is a point of difference and it's combined with high level footy vision, reflexes, intelligence, strength, grit, etc.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Getting their kicks: Your club's top kick-in experts - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-02/getting-their-kicks-your-clubs-top-kick-in-experts

Found this prediction fascinating. I wonder if anyone's considered Wilson to Lobb on the wing was our preferred option for kick ins for pretty much two years. It was very successful.

Different club, coach and gameplan but I wonder if it'll be your choice as well.

They'll certainly be used to working together.

 

[rgauci]

Getting their kicks: Your club's top kick-in experts - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-02/getting-their-kicks-your-clubs-top-kick-in-experts

Found this prediction fascinating. I wonder if anyone's considered Wilson to Lobb on the wing was our preferred option for kick ins for pretty much two years. It was very successful.

Different club, coach and gameplan but I wonder if it'll be your choice as well.

They'll certainly be used to working together.

It would be clever if we separated Sandilands and Fyfe on one wing and Lobb / Taberner at the other. We finally have some marking prowess which should split zones.

 

[tonygeeks]

Getting their kicks: Your club's top kick-in experts - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-02/getting-their-kicks-your-clubs-top-kick-in-experts

Found this prediction fascinating. I wonder if anyone's considered Wilson to Lobb on the wing was our preferred option for kick ins for pretty much two years. It was very successful.

Different club, coach and gameplan but I wonder if it'll be your choice as well.

They'll certainly be used to working together.

Gota be better than going to Johno in the pocket 12 times a game


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[Heart Of Purple]

It would be clever if we separated Sandilands and Fyfe on one wing and Lobb / Taberner at the other. We finally have some marking prowess which should split zones.

Ideally I think we isolate Fyfe vs a mid rather than put him in a contest with Rucks around. Maybe sandi + hogan on one side, Fyfe down the middle and Lobb on the other wing, leave Tabs deeper the next kick (KPFs being interchangeable as Tabs is a strong target out of defence too and Hogan would probably love having the space deep forward.)

 

[dropbear101]

Tabs and lobb will be the ones wrestling fyfe will be floating acroos in front and will most likely be playing on a mid.

 

[sherrif]

woo hoo. Another Hughes fan. I thought I was on my own here.

I think Ethan Hughes has the potential to be a massive surprise packet next year. Last year he took a step backwards, but that was after three years of showing noticeable improvement each year. He missed nearly all of the preseason last year and I think that affected his confidence when he returned. This preseason I cant remember anyone saying he was missing a session in the training reports. Ive seen him doing a heap of extra work on his kicking at the end of the sessions with a skills coach and in training drills at least his kicking seems first class. Its easy to forget in 2017 after a string of good games plenty of posters on here where talking about how much better we looked in defence since he had come into the team. He'd only have to return to his late 2017 form to be a very handy addition to the team. If you add him to a backline rotation of Logue, Wilson, Ryan, Hamling and A.Pearce with rotating mids then we have a very, very athletic and quick backline. He could be the biggest confidence player on our list as I think he completely underestimates how good he could potentially be. if he gets an opportunity and has a couple of good games I still think he is capable of being a breakout player for us in 2019. I dont expect him to start the year in the team, but dont be surprised if there's an injury or two that Ethan equips himself very well if he comes into the team.

 

[theGav56]

I think Ethan Hughes has the potential to be a massive surprise packet next year. Last year he took a step backwards, but that was after three years of showing noticeable improvement each year. He missed nearly all of the preseason last year and I think that affected his confidence when he returned I think. This preseason I cant remember anyone saying he was missing a session in the training reports. Ive seen him doing a heap of extra work on his kicking at the end of the sessions with a skills coach and in training drills at least his kicking seems first class. Its easy to forget in 2017 after a string of good games plenty of posters on here where talking about how much better we looked in defence since he had come into the team. He'd only have to return to his late 2017 form to be a very handy addition to the team. If you add him to a backline rotation of Logue, Wilson, Ryan, Hamling and A.Pearce with rotating mids then we have a very, very athletic and quick backline. He could be the biggest confidence player on our list as I think he completely underestimates how good he could potentially be. if he gets an opportunity and has a couple of good games I still think he is capable of being a breakout player for us in 2019. I dont expect him to start the year in the team, but dont be surprised if there's an injury or two that Ethan equips himself very well if he comes into the team.

Is that 6th defensive post the hottest vacancy for us? I think it is. I would be quite happy to see any of Hughes, Duman, Cox or Nyhuis come into that slot in different circumstances.

However, my preference is for a multi-positional player who can play a role in the midfield; Conca, Blakely, SHill and Cerra form a pretty amazing rotational group, with perhaps Conca and Cerra being the mainstays for the first part of the season.

 

[LeftFootBanana]

The club is now in the fortunate position of having a bunch of young guys like Hughes, Tucker, Duman, Giro, Nyhuis, Crowden, Swiita and Banfield who have all shown enough to suggest that they can make it at AFL level. It's now up to them to take the next step and lock in a spot in the best 22.

It's a situation where if you don't seize your opportunity when it comes, you may end up playing for Peel even if you're in good form. If 3 or 4 of them end up making it our list is going to look pretty damn good.

 

[rgauci]

Is that 6th defensive post the hottest vacancy for us? I think it is. I would be quite happy to see any of Hughes, Duman, Cox or Nyhuis come into that slot in different circumstances.

However, my preference is for a multi-positional player who can play a role in the midfield; Conca, Blakely, SHill and Cerra form a pretty amazing rotational group, with perhaps Conca and Cerra being the mainstays for the first part of the season.

Assuming your 5 is A.Pearce, Hamling, Logue, Wilson, Ryan.

I’d be happy with Kersten, Hughes, Nyhuis, Duman, Cerra, Conca, or even S.Hill. Thankfully we’ll probably fit quite a few of these guys in. Either midfield or bench.

 

[heavho]

I’ve come round to the idea you can’t leave Brennan Cox out. He’s just so talented. Gonna be tricky with a ruckman plus Lobb, Hogan and Taberner. But it just needs to be done.

I believe all those guys have to play one may have to start on the bench and rotate. This could give the team some strong key forwards that can get a rest on the bench at times to freshen up and the longer the game goes the more effective they will be as the key defenders tire our tall forwards pick them off one by one

 

[rgauci]

I believe all those guys have to play one may have to start on the bench and rotate. This could give the team some strong key forwards that can get a rest on the bench at times to freshen up and the longer the game goes the more effective they will be as the key defenders tire our tall forwards pick them off one by one

Yeah it’s a great idea. Both Lobb and Taberner are known for their huge tanks. Cox regularly was running 14km last year. Hogan was playing midfield sporadically at Melbourne, but he won’t be asked to shoulder a big load given his injury history.

 

[theGav56]

I would prefer to use Mundy and Fyfe as that part time tall forward.