Strategy 2019 - Best 22 & Player Discussion

[theGav56]

How does the in season draft work if a player retires?

If Ballantyne (for example) was clearly not going to be preferred in the best 22 and chose to retire, can we draft in a player?

Would the club have already identified a prospect for such an eventuality?

 

[rgauci]

With Blakely injured I think I have to revise my 7/7/7 theory. Need to move one of the back men or forwards to the midfield. Walters to the midfield.

The more I think about it, it just makes sense to plonk Conca into the middle. Mundy, Fyfe, Conca. Apparently having his best preseason to date.

 

[Unique Name]

Logue - Hamling - Ryan
Wilson - APearce - S Hill
Langdon - Cerra - B Hill
Walters - Hogan - Bennell
Switta - Taberner - Lobb

Sandi - Fyfe - Mundy

Brayshaw - Conca - Coyler - Banfield/Tucker


Midfield rotation options:
Fyfe - Mundy - Walters - Bennell - S Hill - Conca - Banfield - Cerra - Brayshaw

 

[sherrif]

Logue - Hamling - Ryan
Wilson - APearce - S Hill
Langdon - Cerra - B Hill
Walters - Hogan - Bennell
Switta - Taberner - Lobb

Sandi - Fyfe - Mundy

Brayshaw - Conca - Coyler - Banfield/Tucker


Midfield rotation options:
Fyfe - Mundy - Walters - Bennell - S Hill - Conca - Banfield - Cerra - Brayshaw

I agree with the above bar Im tipping Bewley for Banfield/Tucker. If McCarthy or Matera are playing to their potential then the selection meetings will be very long ones.

 

[getgaff]

Sorry to intrude folks. Filtering through each club's best 22's and giving my thoughts as well.

Feedback is appreciated.

FULL BACK: Ryan ~ Hamling _ Logue
HALF BACK: Wilson ~ Pearce ~ S. Hill

WINGS: B. Hill ~ Langdon
CENTRE: Mundy

HALF FWD: Colyer ~ Taberner ~ Walters
FULL FWD: Lobb ~ Hogan ~ Matera/ Switkowski

RUCK: Sandilands
FOLLOWERS: Fyfe ~ Cerra

INTERCHANGE: Brayshaw ~ Conca ~ Banfield ~ Tucker

DIDN'T CONSIDER: Blakely ~ When fit maybe replaces Banfield which is a bit more like for like than say Tucker is.

1st STRING (no particular order): Switkowski ~ Darcy ~ Ballantyne ~ Crowden ~ Hughes ~ Schultz ~ Cox ~ Bennell ~ Bewley ~ Sturt ~ Valente ~ McCarthy (if an injury to key fwd's) ~ Nyhuis (role player in the back half)

2nd STRING: Dixon ~ Kersten ~ North ~ Meek ~ Carter ~ Jones ~ Giro ~ Dunman

Bennell - On talent deserves a starting position, probably Colyer's flank.
Bewley - Think he is a lock for early games until Stephen Hill returns.
Sturt - Different type of forward to Lobb, Hogan and Taberner. Think he can be dangerous forward but not straight away going from half a season of TAC into playing against men.
Valente - Smokey to take Blakely/ Neale's midfield role. SANFL experience will come in handy

I'm a big rater of the mature age blokes that you've brought in over recent years, particularly the VFL ones.

Bewley was stiff to miss out in the 2017 draft I think and will play straight away, Stephen Hill replacement in the longer term with his endurance and weapon kick off HB.

Schultz sounds like a bargain get though I'm less knowledgeable on him than Bewley and Switkowski.

Switkowski I'm a fan of. Gives him a chance and send Ballantyne to the WAFL.

 

[armpit]

And you are?

It's much like the other teams that have been put up.

I like the way you have included not only our best 22, but the first string and nay! the second string.

Good ordering.

It must have been a good learning experience for you. Our depth must have impressed you.

Why don't you put your team up in the same way.

For the laugh.

 

[theGav56]

Sorry to intrude folks. Filtering through each club's best 22's and giving my thoughts as well.

Feedback is appreciated.

FULL BACK: Ryan ~ Hamling _ Logue
HALF BACK: Wilson ~ Pearce ~ S. Hill

WINGS: B. Hill ~ Langdon
CENTRE: Mundy

HALF FWD: Colyer ~ Taberner ~ Walters
FULL FWD: Lobb ~ Hogan ~ Matera/ Switkowski

RUCK: Sandilands
FOLLOWERS: Fyfe ~ Cerra

INTERCHANGE: Brayshaw ~ Conca ~ Banfield ~ Tucker

DIDN'T CONSIDER: Blakely ~ When fit maybe replaces Banfield which is a bit more like for like than say Tucker is.

1st STRING (no particular order): Switkowski ~ Darcy ~ Ballantyne ~ Crowden ~ Hughes ~ Schultz ~ Cox ~ Bennell ~ Bewley ~ Sturt ~ Valente ~ McCarthy (if an injury to key fwd's) ~ Nyhuis (role player in the back half)

2nd STRING: Dixon ~ Kersten ~ North ~ Meek ~ Carter ~ Jones ~ Giro ~ Dunman

Bennell - On talent deserves a starting position, probably Colyer's flank.
Bewley - Think he is a lock for early games until Stephen Hill returns.
Sturt - Different type of forward to Lobb, Hogan and Taberner. Think he can be dangerous forward but not straight away going from half a season of TAC into playing against men.
Valente - Smokey to take Blakely/ Neale's midfield role. SANFL experience will come in handy

I'm a big rater of the mature age blokes that you've brought in over recent years, particularly the VFL ones.

Bewley was stiff to miss out in the 2017 draft I think and will play straight away, Stephen Hill replacement in the longer term with his endurance and weapon kick off HB.

Schultz sounds like a bargain get though I'm less knowledgeable on him than Bewley and Switkowski.

Switkowski I'm a fan of. Gives him a chance and send Ballantyne to the WAFL.

All good, but is this best 22, or your prediction for round 1?

To me you confuse your post a bit by not naming Blakely who is clearly in the 22, but name SHill, Sandilands and Hogan who are all yet to return from injury. Also, "Matera/ Switkowski": So which is it?

Mostly for me your post highlights that there are several options. Duman I think is a likely in rather than a 2ND STRING option, and North could be as well.

 

[Docker82]

Sorry to intrude folks. Filtering through each club's best 22's and giving my thoughts as well.

Feedback is appreciated.

FULL BACK: Ryan ~ Hamling _ Logue
HALF BACK: Wilson ~ Pearce ~ S. Hill

WINGS: B. Hill ~ Langdon
CENTRE: Mundy

HALF FWD: Colyer ~ Taberner ~ Walters
FULL FWD: Lobb ~ Hogan ~ Matera/ Switkowski

RUCK: Sandilands
FOLLOWERS: Fyfe ~ Cerra

INTERCHANGE: Brayshaw ~ Conca ~ Banfield ~ Tucker

DIDN'T CONSIDER: Blakely ~ When fit maybe replaces Banfield which is a bit more like for like than say Tucker is.

1st STRING (no particular order): Switkowski ~ Darcy ~ Ballantyne ~ Crowden ~ Hughes ~ Schultz ~ Cox ~ Bennell ~ Bewley ~ Sturt ~ Valente ~ McCarthy (if an injury to key fwd's) ~ Nyhuis (role player in the back half)

2nd STRING: Dixon ~ Kersten ~ North ~ Meek ~ Carter ~ Jones ~ Giro ~ Dunman

Bennell - On talent deserves a starting position, probably Colyer's flank.
Bewley - Think he is a lock for early games until Stephen Hill returns.
Sturt - Different type of forward to Lobb, Hogan and Taberner. Think he can be dangerous forward but not straight away going from half a season of TAC into playing against men.
Valente - Smokey to take Blakely/ Neale's midfield role. SANFL experience will come in handy

I'm a big rater of the mature age blokes that you've brought in over recent years, particularly the VFL ones.

Bewley was stiff to miss out in the 2017 draft I think and will play straight away, Stephen Hill replacement in the longer term with his endurance and weapon kick off HB.

Schultz sounds like a bargain get though I'm less knowledgeable on him than Bewley and Switkowski.

Switkowski I'm a fan of. Gives him a chance and send Ballantyne to the WAFL.

Duman is probably playing round one at this stage imo. The plan was probably to play S.Hill, Blakely and Conca between mid and back. Now there’s only Conca which could mean he barely plays back at all. Duman is 100% ahead of Hughes and Nyhuis. The club promoted Duman, whilst delisting the other two and redrafting them as rookies. Hardly anyone on this board would disagree with me.

Truthfully probably 4-5 of the middle group belong in the next tier down.

From those you’ve left out Blakely and Bennell are best 22 when fully fit as you’ve said and Switkowski, Ballantyne, Duman, Darcy, Cox, McCarthy, Bewley and hopefully one or two of the first year guys are decent depth.

I expect Sturt and Valente to play games but not many. Schultz could be anything between best 22 by year’s end to barely playing a game. North and maybe Watson could surprise too. Dixon looks a decent prospect but is probably behind too many. Carter is a first year 18 year old rookie.

I don’t want to completely write everyone else off but there’s a lot of genuine list cloggers there and about half of them won’t last much longer than this season.

 

[WilloTree]

Still don't understand why most haven't got Cox in the 22. He won the best young un award last season for us, tore apart the Adelaide game to show how good he can be and is the only tall swing man on the list.
Imo he is one of the first picked

I'd certainly be picking him. I don't think we realise how lucky we are to have him. There was an article last year after his game against Adelaide that was pretty amazing, comparing Charlie Curnow (who is widely fapped about as the 'next big thing') and Cox at 19. It made the point:

"Cox has played just 17 games for five wins and 12 losses - exactly the same as Carlton's return from Curnow's first 17 - yet the 19-year-old Docker leads his Blues counterpart in averages for goals, scoring shots, possessions, contested possessions, marks, contested marks, marks inside 50 and one percenters at the same point in their careers."

I'll pop him at CHF to see what it might look like. I'll also assume SHIll and Blakely are unavailable.

FB: Logue, Hamling, Ryan
HB: Wilson, Pearce, Cerra
M: BHill, Conca, Langdon
HF: Walters, Cox, McCarthy
FF: Lobb, Hogan, Matera

R: Sandilands, Fyfe, Mundy
I: Brayshaw, Banfield, Colyer, Bennell

Em: Tucker, Duman, Bewley

 

[theGav56]

I'd certainly be picking him. I don't think we realise how lucky we are to have him. There was an article last year after his game against Adelaide that was pretty amazing, comparing Charlie Curnow (who is widely fapped about as the 'next big thing') and Cox at 19. It made the point:

"Cox has played just 17 games for five wins and 12 losses - exactly the same as Carlton's return from Curnow's first 17 - yet the 19-year-old Docker leads his Blues counterpart in averages for goals, scoring shots, possessions, contested possessions, marks, contested marks, marks inside 50 and one percenters at the same point in their careers."

I'll pop him at CHF to see what it might look like. I'll also assume SHIll and Blakely are unavailable.

FB: Logue, Hamling, Ryan
HB: Wilson, Pearce, Cerra
M: BHill, Conca, Langdon
HF: Walters, Cox, McCarthy
FF: Lobb, Hogan, Matera

R: Sandilands, Fyfe, Mundy
I: Brayshaw, Banfield, Colyer, Bennell

Em: Tucker, Duman, Bewley

Certainly makes a different side, but again, not one I would be unhappy to see running out. My main comment would be that I would like more pace in the forward line, and don't really like 4 talls there. But until they seriously get into match sims and the season proper, it is going to be difficult to judge.

 

[WilloTree]

Certainly makes a different side, but again, not one I would be unhappy to see running out. My main comment would be that I would like more pace in the forward line, and don't really like 4 talls there. But until they seriously get into match sims and the season proper, it is going to be difficult to judge.

Yeah, I don't really see McCarthy as a Marking Tall. He's better off as a high half. So, in essence I've picked 2 tall defenders 2 marking forward and 2 rucks (one mainly forward). Same as WCE in the GF.

 

[Heart Of Purple]

Not saying he’s best 22 but Hughes seems to be skipped altogether a lot here. Go back and watch round 23 vs Collingwood (especially in the first quarter) and I think you’ll find he’s really not far off, has had a few huge games in the past and tends to defend the smalls pretty well.

 

[theGav56]

Yeah, I don't really see McCarthy as a Marking Tall. He's better off as a high half. So, in essence I've picked 2 tall defenders 2 marking forward and 2 rucks (one mainly forward). Same as WCE in the GF.

Well our maths is different. For a start I count 3 tall defenders. And when you have a ruck like Sandilands playing virtually the entire game is the ruck, then Lobb is a forward. But the key point is that you have 2 small forwards, neither with speed.

 

[WilloTree]

Well our maths is different. For a start I count 3 tall defenders. And when you have a ruck like Sandilands playing virtually the entire game is the ruck, then Lobb is a forward. But the key point is that you have 2 small forwards, neither with speed.

and Bennell, Colyer and Banfield on the bench. Basically, all I've done is swap out Taberner for Lobb and Hogan for Mundy (moved to the midfield).

 

[go_the_dockers]

With 3 talls, plus Walters I strongly believe the other two need to be very good at apply forward pressure.

For this reason I prefer Schultz and Swit in the forward line, instead of Matera.
Colyer is another one who can play through the forward line as well as the midfield, and should be able to apply elite forward pressure.

 

[rgauci]

I’ve come round to the idea you can’t leave Brennan Cox out. He’s just so talented. Gonna be tricky with a ruckman plus Lobb, Hogan and Taberner. But it just needs to be done.

 

[yyou]

Colyer could be a good inside mid IMO
Too often (I have seen it time & again in lower levels) a player who is fast is always considered an outside player & is put there, just because of his speed.
Colyer may be short, but he is well built & I think as an inside player he could burst from stoppages

 

[go_the_dockers]

I’ve come round to the idea you can’t leave Brennan Cox out. He’s just so talented. Gonna be tricky with a ruckman plus Lobb, Hogan and Taberner. But it just needs to be done.

If he can kick straight he is easily best 22.

 

[theGav56]

With 3 talls, plus Walters I strongly believe the other two need to be very good at apply forward pressure.

For this reason I prefer Schultz and Swit in the forward line, instead of Matera.
Colyer is another one who can play through the forward line as well as the midfield, and should be able to apply elite forward pressure.

Mirrors my line of thinking, and it will be interesting to see how the selections go. The club has clearly been active in recruiting speed in players who will be playing forward. The other thing they have emphasised is multi-position players. Both those factors work against Matera even though he has the experience. If he does get the first opportunity he will need to be productive.

What I would really like to see is Switkowski and Sturt fast tracked, and possibly Schultz as well. I like the speed and marking ability that thy bring, and I like the points of difference that they have. While Switkowski and Schultz are more developed I don't discount the possibility of the more talented Sturt getting an opportunity. Perhaps as our forward line gets more structure about it he can be as productive as Jayden Stephenson last season.

From our list, and assuming all players are fit and playing to their potential I would be structuring as;

• Hogan, Lobb, Cox/Taberner/McCarthy/Dixon
• Walters, Bennell, Schultz/Sturt/Switkowski/Matera/McCarthy

McCarthy potentially gets 2 bights of the apple depending on him showing his capacity to perform.

 

[tonygeeks]

Please convince me that apart from the odd freakishly talented jet such as Fyfe and Yeo there are players in the top 90 ( 5 per club ) mids in the game who weren't midfielders all through their junior days and have become one by being shifted in there

Put this bloke in there put that bloke in there , winning the ball in the midfield at AFL level is the realm of innately talented players who have been honing their craft since they were 6 years old

Tell me I'm wrong


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[Docker82]

Please convince me that apart from the odd freakishly talented jet such as Fyfe and Yeo there are players in the top 90 ( 5 per club ) mids in the game who weren't midfielders all through their junior days and have become one by being shifted in there

Put this bloke in there put that bloke in there , winning the ball in the midfield at AFL level is the realm of innately talented players who have been honing their craft since they were 6 years old

Tell me I'm wrong


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Who exactly are we putting in there that wasn’t a mid their whole junior career? Colyer and Walters maybe but they’ll be second or third rotation at best.

Guys like Blakely, Conca, Banfield, Brayshaw, Cerra and Bewley as far as I’m aware have always been mids until some AFL coach decided they needed versatility (this isn’t a dig at Ross because every coach is like this to a degree).

 

[WilloTree]

Not saying he’s best 22 but Hughes seems to be skipped altogether a lot here. Go back and watch round 23 vs Collingwood (especially in the first quarter) and I think you’ll find he’s really not far off, has had a few huge games in the past and tends to defend the smalls pretty well.

woo hoo. Another Hughes fan. I thought I was on my own here.

 

[tonygeeks]

Who exactly are we putting in there that wasn’t a mid their whole junior career? Colyer and Walters maybe but they’ll be second or third rotation at best.

Guys like Blakely, Conca, Banfield, Brayshaw, Cerra and Bewley as far as I’m aware have always been mids until some AFL coach decided they needed versatility (this isn’t a dig at Ross because every coach is like this to a degree).[/

Pretty much anyone who is not a KPP and even some who are have been suggested at some stage over the last couple of years

Some ones I seem to recall

S Kersten - because he's quick and has a long kick

D Tucker - because ....... well I'm not sure why maybe he played there a bit as a junior

E Hughes - Because he's strong for his size and fast

G Louge - Because he has muscles like P Cripps

Ballas - but maybe that was the coach

T Colyer - because he's fast and nuggety

*L Ryan - because he would be good kicking i50

* That one might have been me

Walters is a fair call I suppose but he's always been a natural ball winner wherever he's playing and it more a case of where do you want him winning it with him

I wasn't really having a go at anyone for suggesting these guys but as I said give me a few example of they type of fellows who have developed into decent AFL level mids and I'm quite happy to eat crow on the subject


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[maccamk]

woo hoo. Another Hughes fan. I thought I was on my own here.

I have never worked out why they don’t train him up as an inside mid. He his one of our best runners, is seriously well built and has good clean hands.

 

[freo1997]

I have never worked out why they don’t train him up as an inside mid. He his one of our best runners, is seriously well built and has good clean hands.

No footy brain fellas