Opinion Why are the interstate teams so bad? How do we fix them?
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If you hadn't noticed the Dogs already had a home ground with a pretty decent home ground advantage, Western/Whitten Oval.
Hawks had a home at Waverley, and Tigers had a home at the G.
When AFL sold the lemon that is Marvel Stadium, the Dogs, Hawks and Tigers were all forced to play home games at Marvel.
And due to s**t stadium deals, lost money on home games...so then sold them to fecking Cairns/Tassie etc.
It didnt happen to Geelong, they should have been forced from their unique home ground and forced to become a Marvel tenant and their suburban ground not invested in...like the Melbourne teams.
But no, they managed to keep their home ground, so the Vic v non-vic argument is redundant as it is clearly Melbourne v non-Melbourne as Geelong get just a big an advantage in H&A (because they kept a unique home ground, that they don't need to travel to play at).
Expansion sides could be an issue. All the Hawthorn premierships were won in that period where the drafts were heavily compromised against the bottom teams. So there’s 3.
Free agency and getting unders in a lot of Trades where players are requesting to come to Victoria.
How many players have left interstate clubs to come back to Victoria:
Judd, Dangerfield, Tom Mitchell, Shiel, Tom Lynch, Jeremy Cameron, Prestia, May, Lever, Aaron Hall, Saad, Jack Martin, Treloar, Zac Williams, S.Burgoyne, Wingard to name a few.
Has any Vic premiership winner in recent years not had big pickups from interstate clubs.
GC is a massive issue. They basically have lost all of their best players from 4-5 years ago with most going to Victorian club's.
Lack of one club players and players moving around all the time has been a massive advantage for Victorian clubs. Occasionally the interstate clubs pick up a good player but it’s usually from another interstate club anyway where as there aren’t many players leaving Victoria and there are a tonne going back there. That wasn’t a constant theme 10 years ago but is evidently an issue right now.
Free agency and getting unders in a lot of Trades where players are requesting to come to Victoria.
How many players have left interstate clubs to come back to Victoria:
Judd, Dangerfield, Tom Mitchell, Shiel, Tom Lynch, Jeremy Cameron, Prestia, May, Lever, Aaron Hall, Saad, Jack Martin, Treloar, Zac Williams, S.Burgoyne, Wingard to name a few.
Has any Vic premiership winner in recent years not had big pickups from interstate clubs.
GC is a massive issue. They basically have lost all of their best players from 4-5 years ago with most going to Victorian club's.
Lack of one club players and players moving around all the time has been a massive advantage for Victorian clubs. Occasionally the interstate clubs pick up a good player but it’s usually from another interstate club anyway where as there aren’t many players leaving Victoria and there are a tonne going back there. That wasn’t a constant theme 10 years ago but is evidently an issue right now.
Well you can't have a top 10 pick from an interstate club leave for "homesickness" back to Victoria, where they choose the club, even though Their not a free agent. I don't mind, if they are a free agent, but there's pressure placed on all interstate draftees to return back to Melbourne after 2-4 years, that's a massive hole for interstate clubs. And they can't just pick players from their home state as that ruins the integrity of the draft. There's very few interstate players who come to Melbourne and leave compared to the other way round. So that's a massive disadvantage to interstate sides, the draft and potential go home factor.
Geelong's not a suburb of Melbourne, so I'm not sure why they should have moved to marvel? It's one of the fastest growing areas in Australia, so I think they'll be ok keeping kardinia.
Look the idea of marvel is ok, the fact it was built the wrong way and is costing clubs a fortune to play there is a massive issue. Thats why we need another stadium for clubs to play interstate teams. Maybe more teams will play at Ballarat.
Look the idea of marvel is ok, the fact it was built the wrong way and is costing clubs a fortune to play there is a massive issue. Thats why we need another stadium for clubs to play interstate teams. Maybe more teams will play at Ballarat.
The Western suburbs of Melbourne and the SthEast also growing areas of Melbourne....yet AFL/Vic Govt didn't want to invest in stadium upgrades there.
You have describe the problem, but like the WA complainers don't follow how that has reduced advantage for one group of teams.
Melbourne teams playing "home" games away from Melbourne dilutes the home ground advantage.
It is only the Melbourne teams that Melbourne ground rationalisation impacted. Melbourne teams gradually had home ground advantage eroded through the 80s/90s and the opening of Marvel a clear delineation point for that.
Since the introduction of Marvel, and Melbourne teams selling home games outside of Melbourne. Guess which cohort of teams dominate top2 and top4 positions on the H&A ladder....the teams who retained their home ground advantage (non-Melbourne teams).
H&A season advantages non-Melbourne clubs, the results over 20+ years are clear.
The answer isn't making more Melbourne clubs sell home games, it is give back home ground advantage to the Melbourne teams.
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we also used pick 4 in 2009 for a talented kid in Anthony Morabito. Absolute gun but his career wrecked with multiple knee injuries.
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More than happy to explain my team. Freo have been Poorly run and some bad luck has gone freos way. from 1995-2021 only 7 years out of 27 freo has made finals.
Yep most teams can play marvel and enjoy playing there, so there's no advantage to home teams there, although if you're a fast skilful team, you play well there. The Hawks were always suspectical there, even when they won three, compared to the g.
I agree that west coast, Freo and the lions have a large home ground advantage over the Vic clubs, even the crows and port do, but if you go back to suburban grounds, should the gf be moved? No club makes money from interstate clubs at marvel or the g so it does make sense to have boutique 20-30k stadiums, where you get more atmosphere of everyone jammed in, compared to bugger all at marvel or the g.
I agree that west coast, Freo and the lions have a large home ground advantage over the Vic clubs, even the crows and port do, but if you go back to suburban grounds, should the gf be moved? No club makes money from interstate clubs at marvel or the g so it does make sense to have boutique 20-30k stadiums, where you get more atmosphere of everyone jammed in, compared to bugger all at marvel or the g.
As are/were the Pies, Tigers and Dees...as it ain't their home ground.
It really ain't hard to follow that if you don't play at your home ground, any advantage you woukd have received is reduced.
And the away disadvantage is also reduced.
Geelong also do, all clubs that retained a home ground have an advantage over the Melbourne clubs in H&A.
And the non-vic clubs have an even bigger advantage over the non MCG Victorian clubs, as they don't get home finals either.
Yep, home advantage also a capacity thing. 25k fans crammed in at VicPark creates a much more hostile environment than 30k at a 2/3 empty MCG.
Melbourne clubs were sold a lemon, they are disadvantaged in H&A and week1-3 of finals.
And now WA fans want to also get a home grand final.
Finals were never meant to be home games, just big games played at the biggest venue available to the league. That is how all leagues operate, WAFL GF isn't rotated, SANFL GF isn't rotated.
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This is the other implication we hear a lot from Vic fans.
When Vic teams can't win away it's because non-Vics have such a 'massive home ground advantage'. Yet when non-Vics can't win away it's because they're 'not a good enough side to win anywhere'.
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Exactly. Hence why you have the advantage. Many Victorian teams play on neutral grounds even on home games at the G vs Vic teams in the same boat.
Freo and WC get a 4 goal advantage every home game vs Vic clubs.
Warm climate, travel time, no supporter crowd base, massive intimidation noise from home crowd. You get to inflict that on Vic teams 12 times a year.
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Or maybe when Vic teams can't win over here it's because they're not good enough to win anywhere.
And when we can't win over there it's because Vic teams have a massive home ground advantage.
You can't have it both ways.
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You got issues man. Seek professional help.
What is percentage of local talent on each clubs list.
The crowd losing Dangerfieldone year, then Lever the next year wiped out there premiership window and maybe a flag.
If you want to even it, give them access to more local talent.
The crowd losing Dangerfieldone year, then Lever the next year wiped out there premiership window and maybe a flag.
If you want to even it, give them access to more local talent.
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Although Dangerfield and Lever leaving (Cameron as well) certainly didn’t help, we weren’t getting back to the GF regardless. The issues we’ve had since are not ones solved by 2-3 players.
Besides Dangerfield left in 2015, he wasn’t even around for our two best years (2016-2017) of that decade. What it really shows is when you’re a well run club you can overcome those issues, when you’re not you collapse in a heap like we did.
Welp Melbourne, the most recent premiers, legitimately prepped up by the AFL with Paul Roos paid for by the league, an array of priority picks given to them, AFL paid fine for the tanking fiasco.
And the league is not compromised and fair?
And the league is not compromised and fair?
Yeah I’ve been saying for years that the non-Vic sides have won grand finals with teams built from their launch concessions.
Crows 90’s, ports 04, west coast in the 90’s if I’m remembering correctly. Brisbane after the merger.
The only non-Vic grand final wins not fitting that criteria happen to be Sydney’s cola win and west coast nabbed a couple while being a powerhouse club with insane home ground umpiring over the years.
Non-Vic clubs will be lucky to win a gf every 50 years at this rate and I think that’s the way the vfl wants it.
One of the non-Vic clubs will make a gf every now and then and pinch occasionally and that’s it I reckon. It’s set up to favour the vic clubs.
Crows 90’s, ports 04, west coast in the 90’s if I’m remembering correctly. Brisbane after the merger.
The only non-Vic grand final wins not fitting that criteria happen to be Sydney’s cola win and west coast nabbed a couple while being a powerhouse club with insane home ground umpiring over the years.
Non-Vic clubs will be lucky to win a gf every 50 years at this rate and I think that’s the way the vfl wants it.
One of the non-Vic clubs will make a gf every now and then and pinch occasionally and that’s it I reckon. It’s set up to favour the vic clubs.
No it isn’t. The AFL‘S wet dream is always a big Vic club to win it and for GC and GWS to be corporately strong and be about the place without actually winning it.
Array of priority picks given to Melbourne, absolute nonsense. Not one player in the grand final team was a priority pick, Melbourne asked for a priority pick in 2014 and got knocked back. Look at well gold coast have been looked after they just received Noah Anderson only 2 years ago so they can retain players.
I think it will come around again when non Victorian teams will be dominant again.
Just because they failed or you traded them away doesn’t mean you didn’t benefit from them.
Drafting is a numbers game. The more picks you have the more chance you eventually nail one.
You still can't point out the array of priority picks we've had. Trengove has been the only priority picko and that was 12 years ago. We've made plenty of mistakes with regular picks but we haven't benefited anymore than anyone else. This team really comes from the 2014 draft onwards with Viney and Gawn the only players beforehand, Anything else before 2014 is irrelevant.
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