Prediction Round 18, 2025: Changes vs Port Adelaide

[Cuzz09]

Also Livingston proved he can at least hold his own in that indigenous all stars game

 

[TheBudgies]

Its just accepting a lack of effort as the answer. His performance like Tim Kellys on Friday was 100% unacceptable. Accepting it because we have nothing else is what breeds incompetence. I think we are back to Bailey Williams until the end of the year and moving Archer Reid and Jack Williams as the backups.

This is such a garbage take. Flynn marking around the ground was so important. 6 intercept possessions, many saved almost certain goals. Bailey is just about the worst recognised ruckman in the league from a ruckwork PoV, if we're thinking of having him I would prefer to just Shaun Grigg the thing with Ginbey or something. We don't have a ruckman on the list as good as Flynn so if we're going to try win the taps Flynn is our best option.

Our CBAs were much worse with basically no Hall this week. Maybe drop Hewett back to the 40% mark Kelly to the WAFL and bump up Hall to the 35-40% mark. He needs to be on the ball. Probably need to bump Houghy up a bit and Graham down a bit too.

Would like Hutch to spend some time up forward in the Cripps role. Chesser to the wing.

Champion might be ok as the Sub again, not sure he has the tank gor a full game yet. Owies was on managed minutes so might ask him to show us again that he deserves a spot from a full game in the WAFL.

Out: Kelly, Cripps
In: Gross, Chesser

Cole to travel.

 

[Mulldogg]

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Ahhh to some extent?

Don't get me wrong, Kelly had minimal impact but I think sometimes the blinkers go on and it's smash guys like TK because...that's what everyone else is doing.

You know who was completely unsighted and offered us nothing (at all) when he needed to step up after kinda bottling it against Collingwood too?

Jack Williams. Hence he was dragged at half time.

Not much of a peep about his game.

Strange hill to die on defending the highly paid, 157 game 31 year old whose form has fallen off a cliff this year and is on the record as saying they’ve fallen out of love with the game over the 40 game 21 year old KPF who had a quiet game where the midfield was obliterated and the limited supply that was available was inexplicably directed through two senior small/medium forwards instead.

 

[TheBudgies]

Ahhh to some extent?

Don't get me wrong, Kelly had minimal impact but I think sometimes the blinkers go on and it's smash guys like TK because...that's what everyone else is doing.

You know who was completely unsighted and offered us nothing (at all) when he needed to step up after kinda bottling it against Collingwood too?

Jack Williams. Hence he was dragged at half time.

Not much of a peep about his game.

Part of the issue is the dogshit delivery he was getting while on the field. Never had a chance. Kicking it directly to the opposition every entry makes it hard to kick a bag from full forward.

 

[twce13]

It looks like I'm an outlier but I think people are being harsh of Hutch.

I can recall at least two times against GWS that he put himself in harms way, back into a pack, without a flinch.
Yep - His disposal needs work but he's doing blue collar work and we still have bigger problems.

I remain a fan of his. Genuinely think he is one who will come good around the 40-50 game mark. He has legit AFL attributes.

 

[TheBudgies]

Also Livingston proved he can at least hold his own in that indigenous all stars game

He's looked good in brief patches at WAFL. Started really well on the weekend and set up Owies for his first 2 goals. He's not ready for AFL yet but I'm getting pretty optimistic that he's a chance in next the year or so. Ruckman take time. Needs to put on another 10-15 Kgs which is hard to do properly quickly and very hard in season.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Strange hill to die on defending the highly paid, 157 game 31 year old whose form has fallen off a cliff this year and is on the record as saying they’ve fallen out of love with the game over the 40 game 21 year old KPF who had a quiet game where the midfield was obliterated and the limited supply that was available was inexplicably directed through two senior small/medium forwards instead.

Hmm I guess...perhaps I am just hoping that Kelly can find something across half forward and I am looking for positives...

Still think Jack Williams is at a point where expectations need to rise slightly - he's a couple of seasons ahead of his direct competion for the 'Oscar' KPF spot next year in Archer Reid and Jobe Shanahan, and I think it's already been decided that Bailey Williams is the better option as 2nd ruck pushing forward. He probably loses his spot this week.

 

[Godfather32]

Ahhh to some extent?

Don't get me wrong, Kelly had minimal impact but I think sometimes the blinkers go on and it's smash guys like TK because...that's what everyone else is doing.

You know who was completely unsighted and offered us nothing (at all) when he needed to step up after kinda bottling it against Collingwood too?

Jack Williams. Hence he was dragged at half time.

Not much of a peep about his game.

Perhaps because he's a young key forward playing in a game where we couldn't hit a target up front if our lives depended on it. Do you not expect more from a senior player on decent money than someone like JWill?
Besides plenty of other guys are getting heat in this thread and the post game, Duggan, Hutchinson, Flynn, Cripps. Don't pretend that Kelly is copping it all.
FWIW I said earlier in this thread that I think Williams will be dropped this week.

 

[Cuzz09]

Finlayson and Lord both kicked 5 for Port Magpies today so one or both will be in you'd think.

So Some big fwds coming in Ginbey gonna have to take a tall?

Georgiadis is on fire and its a big job for HEdwards.

Finlayson/Lord taken by Brock

Would Ginbey take Rioli? He'll be dropping off waiting for our turnovers all game so needs a tight check.

Butters/Rozee/JHF/Boak/Wines/Drew.... jeepers... Farrell/Bergmann off HB

how are they not higher on ladder?

Will be another real test of how we're going

 

[Dark Sharks]

Kelly is literally a Brownlow medal runner up we coughed up a draft fortune for, who's supposed to be a leader in a rebuilding team.

Comparing his effort to a pick 57 developing KPF getting delivery from the worst midfield in the league is one of the all time takes I've read on this board.

Deary me.

 

[Cuzz09]

TK sub

 

[twce13]

Finlayson and Lord both kicked 5 for Port Magpies today so one or both will be in you'd think.

So Some big fwds coming in Ginbey gonna have to take a tall?

Georgiadis is on fire and its a big job for HEdwards.

Finlayson/Lord taken by Brock

Would Ginbey take Rioli? He'll be dropping off waiting for our turnovers all game so needs a tight check.

Butters/Rozee/JHF/Boak/Wines/Drew.... jeepers... Farrell/Bergmann off HB

how are they not higher on ladder?

Will be another real test of how we're going

id say ginbey will almost certainly be put on Georgiadis, he has gotten the tough assignment fairly frequently and is a good matchup for georgiadis.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Kelly is literally a Brownlow medal runner up we coughed up a draft fortune for, who's supposed to be a leader in a rebuilding team.

Comparing his effort to a pick 57 developing KPF getting delivery from the worst midfield in the league is one of the all time takes I've read on this board.

Deary me.

That's rich coming from you of all people.

I offered Jack Williams as a counter point to bashing the same whipping boys each week.

TK was poor, my point was that he wasn't alone and that some need to recognise that that may include some of their favourites occasionally, not just the popular punching bags.

Jack Williams isn't above criticism because he was a late pick in the draft - he had 1 touch in a half of footy. That's on him.

 

[Bender_]

Sif JWilliams is playing for this club ever again, the second Archer kicked that goal in the BEagles Mini dragged him to the bench to put him on ice and personally extended his contract by 3 years then walked through the stands at Leederville telling the crowd "That's the last time you'll ever see Archie play WAFL".

 

[HoneyBadger35]

That's rich coming from you of all people.

I offered Jack Williams as a counter point to bashing the same whipping boys each week.

TK was poor, my point was that he wasn't alone and that some need to recognise that that may include some of their favourites occasionally, not just the popular punching bags.

Jack Williams isn't above criticism because he was a late pick in the draft - he had 1 touch in a half of footy. That's on him.

He’s not above criticism and you’ll find most people (or certainly a lot, I haven’t tallied) have him as an out this week.

But it’s also pretty clear to understand why a child KPF having an invisible game is drawing less criticism than a late-prime HFF recruited as a midfielder for having minimal impact on a team desperate for senior leadership.

For the record, shame on anyone who has Jack Williams as an out, he was invisible and also had a shocking final 30 minutes against Collingwood but we’re 18th and he will be a jet, just pump games into him. Archer had his run of unrequited backing in, now it’s JWill’s turn.

 

[Shuestar13]

That's rich coming from you of all people.

I offered Jack Williams as a counter point to bashing the same whipping boys each week.

TK was poor, my point was that he wasn't alone and that some need to recognise that that may include some of their favourites occasionally, not just the popular punching bags.

Jack Williams isn't above criticism because he was a late pick in the draft - he had 1 touch in a half of footy. That's on him.

Can only imagine if A Reid performed as poorly as he (Jack) has the last two games. The meltdown from certain people would be a sight to behold. Zero surprise to see excuses made for him, once the herd has picked their favourites and the ones they dislike, there is no reasoning with them.

 

[Grahame]

Seeing JWill is topical, anyone venture a thought on why Archer was preferred for the first few games (then not)?

At the end of last season I thought JWill was ahead while Archer only had ‘potential’.

????????

 

[Cuzz09]

id say ginbey will almost certainly be put on Georgiadis, he has gotten the tough assignment fairly frequently and is a good matchup for georgiadis.

Surprised Georgiades is the same height as Ginbey, seems a lot taller so you might be right but feel like we put HEdwards on the big fwd from each team and Ginbey and Brock take Lord and Lukosious.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Seeing JWill is topical, anyone venture a thought on why Archer was preferred for the first few games (then not)?

At the end of last season I thought JWill was ahead while Archer only had ‘potential’.

????????

Sounds like Archer had a ripping preseason and JWill didn’t.

Worth persisting with young KPPs for a while when you’re as shit as we are so it doesn’t make much difference to results. JWill’s turn to get backed in through a rough patch, not every game has to be a referendum on teenage KPPs.

Archer had a turn, he’ll bounce back, played a strong WAFL game with a big ruck shift as well, nabbed a goal and gave a few off too, unsure why people seem to think folks on this board are anti-Archer? Wanting Shanahan to play forward and Archer to play back doesn’t mean people don’t rate someone, but also sometimes if you go six weeks without kicking a goal you need a spell?

 

[BSD]

Much like bagging out Tom Cole, kicking Tim Kelly is a popular pass time for those frustrated with the team.

It's what happens when Andrew Gaff, Alex Witherden and Jack Darling all depart in one off season.

It's the whipping vacuum.

Tim Kelly had more possessions than Ryan, why isn't Ryan being kicked and bagged like Kelly.
Ryan burnt off Harley twice and tries to take too many speccies.

 

[Dark Sharks]

FWIW Jack Williams is actually probably due for a WAFL stint, and I'm a fan. The idea of cycling the KPP's in form makes sense to me, like we did with our rucks briefly.

I've got him in as a likely out for the MC, but not someone i'd like to see out personally.

He played an excellent first quarter against the pies from memory, and then a pretty bad second half, then backed that up with whatever the hell the GWS game was.

If he retains his spot this week he'd be wanting to have a good game or he'll be punted for sure.


So far I've seen Cripps, Hutchinson, Champion, Jilliams, Kelly, Flynn, Duggan and bizarrely Brockman in people OUTS. I'm not sure where this rhetoric of "It's only whipping boys" is coming from.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Tim Kelly had more possessions than Ryan, why isn't Ryan being kicked and bagged like Kelly.
Ryan burnt off Harley twice and tries to take too many speccies.

For a start, he had the same amount of goal assists as his 22 teammates combined. Added a goal himself.

He was one of our best to halftime and one of two forwards who can realistically hold their head up, alongside big Jobe.

Hardly worth Brownlow votes but Ryan is not anywhere near the gun for that game. Check our votes thread for good measure.

 

[unty11]

Kinda thought this might happen we put in a good showing against collingwood away but with a shortened break and a young inconsistent team can't back it up against a top 8 team the next week at home.

Feel sorry for mini with waterman, allen, yeo and mcgovern all dead. He's tried everything moving players around the field. Playing one ruck and then playing two. Giving young players a block of 4 or 5 games to prove themselves. Playing credits in the bank then playing the kids. Then even when we lose but have a half decent performance back in that same team.

It just is what it is. We have a young team inconsistent team.

As for our ruck situation if Archer could physically and fitness wise play a whole game in the ruck I wouldn't mind him given that opportunity since he can't kick goals. He may be the solution that we are all looking for. I'm not a flynn hater I just think this is his ceiling he's playing the best footy he's ever going to play he wont be any better than he already is. Same goes for bailey williams but he kicked a goal so that means you keep your spot under mini.

 

[sharps24]

He’s not above criticism and you’ll find most people (or certainly a lot, I haven’t tallied) have him as an out this week.

But it’s also pretty clear to understand why a child KPF having an invisible game is drawing less criticism than a late-prime HFF recruited as a midfielder for having minimal impact on a team desperate for senior leadership.

For the record, shame on anyone who has Jack Williams as an out, he was invisible and also had a shocking final 30 minutes against Collingwood but we’re 18th and he will be a jet, just pump games into him. Archer had his run of unrequited backing in, now it’s JWill’s turn.

They've actually played the same amount of games and have traded places all season. I'm not fussed if we back Williams in and thought he was a dumb choice to sub when we spent the entire game sitting forward entries on small forwards heads for an easy kill by their defender. He also played less minutes than Champion so despite coming off in the third he'd spent a large amount of time on the bench, which is a factor. If we were dropping him for the likes of a Darling or something then fair enough, not helpful. We've got three young forwards and he's the most senior so should be the furthest advanced. He had a bad game and there is another developing tall in the WAFL. He's played a healthy chunk of games in a row. Dropping him for Archer Reid is perfectly fine and calling it shameful to be fine with that is a stretch, especially when Williams has the lowest ceiling of the three of them.

 

[wce4premiership]

I'd like to See JWill get another chance. Then be dropped if he doesn't perform once more. I don't think the guys in the WAFL were knocking too hard on the door from a talls perspective.