Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Scotland]

The usual Islamophobic posters are up and about today it seems. Sad.

Sad thread on a sad board.

Yesterday was a tragic event in Australian history. It's another Port Arthur, except instead of a mentally deranged gunman indiscriminately killing people it was a targeted attack on a specific group. Call it a hate crime, terrorist attack, antisemitic whatever - it was premeditated and targeted. It was an attack on civilians having a function by the beach, not a bombing of an embassy or an assassination of a govt official. And it was in Australia, perpetrated by (AFAIK) Australian residents/citizens.

Thread is currently 40 pages and 1000 posts. There are already 4 pages of posts containing the word Israel. It took until all of page 3 for the first one. No different to the Oct 7th thread barely ticking over to Oct 8 before people started showing their true colours. It's sad enough that we as a nation now have this tragedy as part of our history but people can't even wait to use it to drive their agenda. This isn't rocks thrown at synagogue or mean words spraypainted on a mosque. 16 people just died. On Bondi Beach.

 

[Kirby]

Posters are drawing an inference that the shooters motivation was somehow related to the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

There's absolutely no evidence of this (as yet anyway).

 

[faible]

Sad thread on a sad board.

Yesterday was a tragic event in Australian history. It's another Port Arthur, except instead of a mentally deranged gunman indiscriminately killing people it was a targeted attack on a specific group. Call it a hate crime, terrorist attack, antisemitic whatever - it was premeditated and targeted. It was an attack on civilians having a function by the beach, not a bombing of an embassy or an assassination of a govt official. And it was in Australia, perpetrated by (AFAIK) Australian residents/citizens.

Thread is currently 40 pages and 1000 posts. There are already 4 pages of posts containing the word Israel. It took until all of page 3 for the first one. No different to the Oct 7th thread barely ticking over to Oct 8 before people started showing their true colours. It's sad enough that we as a nation now have this tragedy as part of our history but people can't even wait to use it to drive their agenda. This isn't rocks thrown at synagogue or mean words spraypainted on a mosque. 16 people just died. On Bondi Beach.

Unfortunately there's far too many people using this for some kind of angle to avoid it. Netanyahu is out there attacking Albanese for it. It's impossible to disconnect it, but it is possible to be respectful when discussing it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Unfortunately there's far too many people using this for some kind of angle to avoid it. Netanyahu is out there attacking Albanese for it. It's impossible to disconnect it, but it is possible to be respectful when discussing it.

Netanyahu is the ravings of a madman, and the cause of more Anti-Semitism than anyone alive on the planet.

 

[10571z]

When I believe it’s the father goes down the son doesn’t even flinch and keeps on firing. That’s just so hard
to comprehend. Your dad is shot next to you and you don’t even try to help or see if he is still alive.

These are quite possibly the sickest people imaginable.

 

[Obeanie1]

No its not. Govts can very easily manage any required hunting which farm owners cant self manage.

I knew someone who worked through the CSIRO in animal culling. Given how many billions goverments pour down the toilet Im sure such programmes can be expanded and actually useful.

Outsourcing to weekend warriors is all about the weekend warriors. Not about the need.

But I guess from all your negative posting, youre a weekend warrior and more worried about being able to be a weekend warrior?

So the govt should make hunting for recreation or food illegal?

That's the solution?

How many kids under 18 die in car crashes?

Plenty. So should we ban licences until kids turn 18?

 

[bzparkes]

Hamas. Not Palestinians.

I mean, Israeli leadership could start by not running a multi-decade occupation creating multiple generations of stateless people lacking self determination. That would probably go some way to reducing the ability of militant groups like Hamas to recruit and radicalise marginalised young men willing to resort to violence in the face of no other options.

Strange how people always blame Palestinians for Hamas, ignore the thousands of innocents slaughtered by the IDF, and skip over the decades of occupation that might just contribute to Hamas being the organisation it is.

Hamas isn't in the West Bank and the people there are subject to occupation and killings as well.

Hamas aren't the good guys, neither is Israel.

Last post on this because there's a dedicated thread to it.

Israel left Gaza 20 years ago to self-govern. The settlers left, they even dug up their graveyards and took the dead with them.

The Gazan people voted in Hamas, an Islamist militant organisation who rules over the place with an Iron fist and murdered all political opponents. They then started ripping up infrastructure to build tunnels and make rockets to fire into Israel.

So Israel did in fact leave Gaza and this is how it ended up.

At some point people need to realise that the Gazans are complicit in their current predicament also. Not everything is Israel's fault.

Palestinians ended up seizing control of Lebanon and massacring the Christians there, as well as attempted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy. They also fought on the side of Iraq in the first Gulf war after being granted refuge in Kuwait, to which the Kuwaitis kicked them out afterwards.

They chose to vote in a militant government and support their attacks on Israel(not all, obviously).

Palestinians aren't guiltless.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

They enjoy killing things and convince themselves that its for the eating.

Now tell me why someone in a suburb of Sydney needs 6 guns and we should not change the laws so that they can no longer own 6 guns.

Haha omg you actually have no idea about hunting. How pathetic!

 

[bzparkes]

Posters are drawing an inference that the shooters motivation was somehow related to the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

There's absolutely no evidence of this (as yet anyway).

True. Could just be generic militants indiscriminately killing Jews over something else.

 

[HairyO]

So the govt should make hunting for recreation or food illegal?

That's the solution?

How many kids under 18 die in car crashes?

Plenty. So should we ban licences until kids turn 18?

Hunting is simply not needed. Particularly with people who live in cities. Its a blood sport.

Ive said many times farmers can make a case. But tell me, why does someone living in a suburb of Sydney need 6 guns ?

Why is that question ignored over and over and over?

And if its genuinely needed, be a man and use a bow and arrow.

 

[beside the seaside]

Haha omg you actually have no idea about hunting. How pathetic!

Seriously who gives a f*ck about hunting right now?

 

[Gavin Excell]

When I believe it’s the father goes down the son doesn’t even flinch and keeps on firing. That’s just so hard
to comprehend. Your dad is shot next to you and you don’t even try to help or see if he is still alive.

These are quite possibly the sickest people imaginable.

I think when the shock is replaced by the anger (if it hasn't already) police are going to find it hard to shelter the coward from the mob at his court hearing

 

[Obeanie1]

Hunting is simply not needed. Particularly with people who live in cities. Its a blood sport.

Ive said many times farmers can make a case. But tell me, why does someone living in a suburb of Sydney need 6 guns ?

Why is that question ignored over and over and over?

And if its genuinely needed, be a man and use a bow and arrow.

We don't really need cigarettes either.

We don't need to go bush walking or surfing.

Anything else we should make illegal that kills people?

Up here in Darwin edged weapons are a problem. Do we ban all edged weapons? We can just use plastic knives.

Drunk drivers kill a lot of people. We don't need alcohol either. So the govt should ban alcohol.

I'm all for tighter controls. But let's not kid ourselves.

 

[evolved2]

Get a grip. A couple of psychos just went nuts, the PM can't be responsible for every nutter in this country. The fact that Netanyahu is lecturing us is also a joke. This isn't about politics. The one good thing that may come out of it is a further tightening of gun laws, this is generally a very safe society unlike many others throughout the world.

How will a further tightening of gun laws fix problems associated with radical Islam?

 

[faible]

Israel left Gaza 20 years ago to self-govern.

No, they didn't.

They've continued to occupy it this entire time, even before Hamas was elected (noting that most Gazans alive today could not have voted in that election).

Gaza has never had full self-determination.

Ironically, Netanyahu resigned from the government of the day in protest for Israel disengaging from Gaza.

Let's not pretend that a Gaza with almost everything still controlled by Israel was 'self-governing'.

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[Upgrayedd]

We seriously have people ranking religions now? What are we doing?

Some people are disgusting and can't have a serious discussion. I feel for them.

 

[ferball]

No but nearly twice as many people died in the Bondi shooting as the amount of people who have been killed in abortion clinic bombings since 1977.

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Maybe. Its not a competition tho. Any deaths from religious violence are terrible.

The guy who shot Charlie Kirk was a Christian (and honestly I couldn't give a shit about Charlie Kirk. **** him.) Oklahoma bombing was done by people in revenge for Us government attacks on Christians. There are Christian armies in Africa as well. Christian militias in Lebanon were just as brutal as Hezbollah.

There are government's that claim to be Buddhist that commit violence against ethnic minorities in Asia. The leader of India is Hindu, a religion that gave us vegetarianism and motivated non violent movements in the 20th century. He is responsible for pogroms against Muslims that killed thousands.

Political violence is not the exclusive domain of any religion.

Furthermore Islamic fundamentalism would be nothing like the problem it is now if it hadn't been fostered by the US (and Israel) in response to more secular movements like the PLO or the USSR. (This isn't a justification of the USSR invading Afghanistan either.)

It didn't just spring out of a vacuum from nothing.

The only thing that stops cycles of violence is people choosing to put aside blame and anger and try to work toward peace, compassion and forgiveness.

If more of the same worked then it would have by now.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Less than 24 hours and there we have it a pro-Palestinian, keffiyeh wearing person at the Bondi vigil. It doesn’t matter than she was Jewish. What matters is that it demonstrates a clear lack of compassion and respect.

Too many modern day progressives are the exact counter to their predecessors. Their “silence is violence” and unwillingness to let a vigil happen without it wanting to also include their issue demonstrates their underlying objective to have complete control of the narrative.

The pathway to resolution includes more open debate and more critical thinking but many modern day progressives see this as a threat which is why they look to cancel, deplatform, blockade and chase off campuses.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[bzparkes]

Maybe. Its not a competition tho. Any deaths from religious violence are terrible.

The guy who shot Charlie Kirk was a Christian (and honestly I couldn't give a shit about Charlie Kirk. **** him.) Oklahoma bombing was done by people in revenge for Us government attacks on Christians. There are Christian armies in Africa as well. Christian militias in Lebanon were just as brutal as Hezbollah.

There are government's that claim to be Buddhist that commit violence against ethnic minorities in Asia. The leader of India is Hindu, a religion that gave us vegetarianism and motivated non violent movements in the 20th century. He is responsible for pogroms against Muslims that killed thousands.

Political violence is not the exclusive domain of any religion.

Furthermore Islamic fundamentalism would be nothing like the problem it is now if it hadn't been fostered by the US (and Israel) in response to more secular movements like the PLO or the USSR. (This isn't a justification of the USSR invading Afghanistan either.)

It didn't just spring out of a vacuum from nothing.

The only thing that stops cycles of violence is people choosing to put aside blame and anger and try to work toward peace, compassion and forgiveness.

If more of the same worked then it would have by now.

You're right that it's not a competition but one group's terror atrocities massively eclipses the other. It's not even close.

Until that's addressed, people will continue to engage in whataboutism and keep making excuses instead of facing the issue head on and the violence will continue.

 

[faible]

more open debate and more critical thinking

He says.

Then immediately lumps huge amounts of people in to a single box:

many modern day progressives

 

[beside the seaside]

How will a further tightening of gun laws fix problems associated with radical Islam?

Solving those issues will take generations and are extremely complex, but this is the first mass shooting we've had here in a long time and all the guns were legally owned. It's about preventing another act like this.

 

[campbell]

Gun laws may not stop it, but at least we don't have to make it easy.

Sadly, if a criminal or terrorist wants a gun, they will get it illegally.
The norm is to stay under the radar, so legal is not the preferred option.

 

[ferball]

Please tell me what I have in common with the mass shooters.

You clearly don't see ordinary Palestinians as human like the rest of us otherwise you wouldn't be saying recognising Palestinian statehood only happens to punish Israel.

Those people yesterday didn't see the people celebrating Hanukah as human like the rest of us or they wouldn't have decided they didn't deserve to celebrate their religion in peace or to live (or any of the other people they shot for that matter.)

 

[Stumpy Pete]

He says.

Then immediately lumps huge amounts of people in to a single box:

Fair point - I missed the word “Too” which I had used above.

But do you care to discuss the point. Are too many progressives unwilling to have their views challenged?

Regards

S. Pete

 

[HairyO]

We don't really need cigarettes either.

We don't need to go bush walking or surfing.

Anything else we should make illegal that kills people?

Up here in Darwin edged weapons are a problem. Do we ban all edged weapons? We can just use plastic knives.

Drunk drivers kill a lot of people. We don't need alcohol either. So the govt should ban alcohol.

I'm all for tighter controls. But let's not kid ourselves.

Guns have a single purpose. To kill stuff.

As far as Im aware bush walking and surfing serve a few purposes, none of which are to kill stuff.

Being drunk and driving is never not illegal, too.

If this is your best then my plan would be simple and massively popular.