Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[ferball]

Mike Burgess would differ.

Its his job to say that and frankly he's already ****ed it up this month.

 

[T2B_]

Albanese responding to a horrific act of terror committed by Islamists, radicalised on our shores and in our communities is now talking about "stamping out" Islamaphobia, including "stamping out fear" that (allegedly) causes Islamaphobia.


The mask is slipping, he is letting his authoritarian roots show. And there are those in here who still think this pathetic, despicable excuse for a leader gives a f* about protecting Australian lives. He has made it clear, it is not the lives of those who died last weekend that matters, it is not Australian values that matters, it is not your life that matters - it's making sure "Islamaphobia" is "stamped" out.

Authoritarian, far left, Islamist dictator.

It beggars belief you write stuff like this about little old square, inoffensive Albo, but barely have a bad word to say about █████ in the US politics thread.

 

[Markfs]

It beggars belief you write stuff like this about little old square, inoffensive Albo, but barely have a bad word to say about █████ in the US politics thread.

he's just got excited when he read Josh is coming back to lead the country...

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

They want Muslins harassed/deported.

I thought muslin was what you wrapped a baby in?

 

[Not Important]

This one’s on Netanyahu, not Albanese

The Bondi massacre sits within a wider international context that has reshaped public attitudes to Israel, antisemitism and protest, complicating how grief, fear and responsibility are understood in Australia.

johnmenadue.com

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Jordies once again coming out and owning the utterly piss weak cucks known as our media.

Media class in this nation should hang their heads in shame and really should just **** off.

 

[ElectricG]

You mean the guy who was so committed to ISIS he asked the cops to bring him an ISIS flag.

Other than demanding a debate with the Prime Minister on radio and have the Islamic State flag delivered to the café, Monis made no specific terrorist demands. At the time of the siege, Monis was also on bail, charged with multiple sex offences against women, alleged to have been committed whilst he held himself out as a ‘spiritual healer’. Monis was also charged with being an accessory to the murder of his former partner and had recently failed to obtain custody of his two Australian born children. His professed status as a Shi’a Muslim cleric was fraudulent, and forensic examination of his use of the Internet and social media found no evidence that Monis ever had any contact with Islamic State or any other terrorist organisation and that on the day before the siege, he had only 12 followers on Twitter. The evidence does not support the conclusion that Monis suddenly ‘radicalised’ and committed an act of terrorism. Instead, the evidence shows that Monis was a malignant narcissist whose behaviour can better be formulated as lone-actor grievance-fuelled violence.

You might religiously insist it was "Islamic Terror" but obviously that is debatable.

Being dumb and disorganised doesn’t mean he wasn’t motivated by Islamic terrorism. He asked for an IS flag. An Islamic terrorist group. Terrorism is defined by motivation, not how established someone is within a declared terrorist group.

As far as this incident goes I'm no more scared than I ever was, others might be, especially Jewish people, fair enough. Our culture hasn't changed either. The response of ordinary Australians is the same as it’s ever been in any shit situation. Most did what they could to help out and support each other (see what Gethelred posted as an example,) and one particular side of politics played it for everything they could like the grubs they are. Neither of those things are new or different as a result of the attack.

I think the criticism of Albo is 70% unfair. Mostly because those doing the criticism know in their heart of hearts they would be equally responsible through their inaction in the same situation.

I do think terrorism erodes our culture. Every time this type of thing happens we get a bit more cynical and unsure of ourselves. We start finding weird and creative ways to blame ourselves. Obviously I don’t have any data to support this, but it’s my impression.

The federal government announced an inquiry into the failures that led to that and the NSW government has said it will hold a RC.

Okay, a procedure has been invoked. Let’s see if this leads to real action (extremists getting their arse kicked for once).

How?

Same way they identified the dude at the Nazi rally.

Most of whom are dead or in pretty ****ed up detention camps in Syria. Of the the few who returned, most ended up on terror charges.

Those who returned would already be out of prison. They should never have seen the light of day again if we were in any way serious about the matter.

Dual nationals who fought for ISIS were stripped of their citizenship and either deported or not let back into the country.

I believe this was overturned in the high court.

As far as the other two go, well there's multiple inquiries/RCs into why that situation happened but even with all that the son is an Australian. He was born here like I was. You can't just lock him up for associating with an extreme ideology any more than you can lock up Blair Cottrell or any other number of Nazis for the same thing.

Unless they break the law.

Well Nazis are deported when they attend rallies. Declaring allegiance to ISIS gets you put on the “we know they harbour terrorist sympathies but we’ll do nothing” list. How do you explain this asymmetry?

People love to bring up that the son was born here. The father is an immigrant and we can reasonably assume had radicalised his son. What do you think should’ve been done about the father who was also known to police?

 

[Carringbush2010]

This is a noble hope, but what evidence have you that this works? As far as anyone can see, all evidence points to a decrease in monoculturalism aligning with decreased trust and increased violence.

"Standing together" and being soft on fundamentalist Islam - an ideology that wants to destroy us - is what led to last weekends events, and what has led to the fall of Europe.

Has Europe fallen?!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Funny how the Jewish recommendations must be implemented, but the indigenous people recommendations such as the voice simply can't be.

Yes see it’s “racist” to make exception for one ethnic group.

 

[ferball]

Being dumb and disorganised doesn’t mean he wasn’t motivated by Islamic terrorism. He asked for an IS flag. An Islamic terrorist group. Terrorism is defined by motivation, not how established someone is within a declared terrorist group.

Yeah and there's an argument his motivation was "lone actor grievance-fuelled violence". Which doesn't fit a definition of terrorism. He made no political demands and apart from asking for an IS flag had no relationship to them.

I think the criticism of Albo is 70% unfair. Mostly because those doing the criticism know in their heart of hearts they would be equally responsible through their inaction in the same situation.

I do think terrorism erodes our culture. Every time this type of thing happens we get a bit more cynical and unsure of ourselves. We start finding weird and creative ways to blame ourselves. Obviously I don’t have any data to support this, but it’s my impression.

That's your impression and honestly it seems that's what you are doing. There may be some blame for ASIO and the cops and feds but we can't honestly say that till we have a proper inquiry. I cartainly have questions myself. But I also know that people doing this stuff aren't perfect or omnipotent. It may be the only people to blame are the ones who did the shooting and either way, even with failures to prevent it they still bear 95%+ of "the blame". Or even all of it, if they hadn't been so callous it wouldn't have happened. IMO anyway.

Obviously some other people are using it for political purposes too. Those people are shutstains imo.

Same way they identified the dude at the Nazi rally.

I asked How? specifically in response to this: They would have the identity of all of those who whooped and cheered when Israelis were slaughtered in their homes,

I presume this means Oct 7th yeah? Its not as easy as identifying someone at a rally. People weren't in the street celebrating.

Those who returned would already be out of prison. They should never have seen the light of day again if we were in any way serious about the matter.

Would they? I thought some received life sentences.

I believe this was overturned in the high court.

Maybe. I dunno.

Well Nazis are deported when they attend rallies. Declaring allegiance to ISIS gets you put on the “we know they harbour terrorist sympathies but we’ll do nothing” list. How do you explain this asymmetry?

Some dude in Qld got three years for advocating for ISIS on social media in August this year. I don't think its as simple as "nothing is being done".

People love to bring up that the son was born here. The father is an immigrant and we can reasonably assume had radicalised his son. What do you think should’ve been done about the father who was also known to police?

My understanding is the father wasn't known to cops and the son may have radicalised him. Given people get locked up for social media posts supporting ISIS I doubt the father was known to police for those reasons. He still had his gun license.

If he was they have questions to answer.

It seems we have completely different understandings of this tho. So we probably need to wait until there is a definitive statement about it.

 

[Markfs]

Has Europe fallen?!

yeh 8th century, i think.

 

[Chief]

We should be reading about how many extremists have been arrested/deported/imprisoned as part of the government’s urgent crackdown.

Depends on how you define "extremist".

The UK and US have gone bonkers on that.

Families of Palestine Action hunger strikers seek urgent meeting with Lammy

Justice secretary urged to ‘show a bit of humanity’ with protesters severely ill after refusing food for weeks

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chief]

One peaceful march out of how many?

You tell me. Go on. Dates and locations please. With news reports.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

A constant theme has been that the Jewish community have been screaming out for two years for Albanese to do something about AS.

Here's a list someone compiled. Clearly from a Labor supporter, but what do we think?:

1) Appointed Australia’s first Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism

2) Published the Special Envoy’s Plan and Government response

3) Tens of millions in security funding for Jewish schools and synagogues,
October 2023, and then again in December 2024

4) AFP and ASIO special operation targeting antisemitic threats

5) Banned Nazi symbols and extremist hate symbolism

6) Strengthened federal hate-crime laws

7) Antisemitism Education Taskforce

Holocaust education funding

The bottom line

You can criticise Albanese.
You can debate policy effectiveness.
You can argue implementation.
But saying “he did nothing” is demonstrably false.
Security funding.
Police operations.
New laws.
Education reform.
A national envoy.
A published plan.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's the rhetoric that is fueling hatred.

Funny how no-one in the Coalition thought of this possibility a few years back when they were pushing to repeal Section 18C, the anti-hate speech legislation. They've gone awful quiet on that push all of a sudden for some reason.

 

[Gough]

Funny how no-one in the Coalition thought of this possibility a few years back when they were pushing to repeal Section 18C, the anti-hate speech legislation. They've gone awful quiet on that push all of a sudden for some reason.

All of a sudden words matter.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

All of a sudden words matter.

Kinda like those RWFW free speech warriors in the US who in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, suddenly decided sacking or abusing anyone who said anything negative about Kirk was more important than free speech.

 

[Festerz]

Parts of this plot sounds eerily familiar to what happened in Bondi but thankfully an intelligence planted insider was able to foil the attack.

Two men found guilty of UK plot to kill hundreds of Jews as IS fears grow​

In a 2024 two men who plotted to attack Jews in Greater Manchester in what could have been "the UK's most deadly terrorist attack" were caught by an undercover operative who put himself in "significant danger", police said.

Walid Saadaoui, 38, arranged to smuggle four AK-47 assault rifles, two handguns and 900 rounds of ammunition into the country.

Saadaoui worked together with 52-year-old Amar Hussein, and another man called Farouk, who they believed shared the same extreme ideology.

But Farouk was actually an undercover operative.

How gun plot on Manchester's Jewish community was stopped

Two men planned an attack in Greater Manchester and a third man failed to report the plan.

www.bbc.com

 

[campbell]

Jordies once again coming out and owning the utterly piss weak cucks known as our media.

Media class in this nation should hang their heads in shame and really should just **** off.

Straight, to the point.

This is an Australian issue, nothing to do with Israel. This happened on our soil, our residents.

This was a radical ISIS killing.

Asio and Afp need investigating, they stuffed up. When these 2 extremists came back from Phillipines, which was known by government agencies, they should have been detained.

This is not political, it has been made political.
We need to unite as a country.

Enough already.

 

[Festerz]

Straight, to the point...

Asio and Afp need investigating, they stuffed up.

An investigation of ASIO/AFP national and state intelligence and law enforcement processes in the lead-up to the Bondi beach attack IS happening.

Was announced three days ago by Albanese with a four month timeframe for reporting.

 

[sherb]

Have you done it before? It’s quick and fairly painless. You just “pop in” on your way to somewhere and it’s done. It’s like running a very short errand.

I would but they won't take my blood any more. (I did give for years).

Firstly because of IBS (yes, IBS, you read that right). And secondly, presumably (I haven't checked as they won't take my blood anyway) because of a recent bout of cancer.

Which is all a pity, because I'm the blood type they love - O neg.

 

[ElectricG]

I would but they won't take my blood any more. (I did give for years).

Firstly because of IBS (yes, IBS, you read that right). And secondly, presumably (I haven't checked as they won't take my blood anyway) because of a recent bout of cancer.

Which is all a pity, because I'm the blood type they love - O neg.

I also had to give it up due to bowel issues.

Sorry to hear about you having cancer and I hope your treatment is going/went well.

 

[campbell]

An investigation of ASIO/AFP national and state intelligence and law enforcement processes in the lead-up to the Bondi beach attack IS happening.

Was announced three days ago by Albanese with a four month timeframe for reporting.

A pity the media are not pointing this out on repeat.
Instead we get the hand wringing, muck racking dribble they pass as news.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Ley turning up the temperature

‘I haven’t seen Penny Wong shed a single tear’: Ley lashes minister over Bondi massacre response

Opposition Leader Sussan Ley slammed a podium while launching a vociferous attack on the foreign minister in an extraordinary moment during a press conference on Monday.

www.afr.com

What a clown.

 

[Festerz]

A pity the media are not pointing this out on repeat.
Instead we get the hand wringing, muck racking dribble they pass as news.

While we all know why the Murdoch press are doing this, it's the fact that other media outlets including the ABC are engaging in the same platforming practices with this tragedy that is most shocking.

There's a very good piece on why this is happening in Crikey

‘Part of what the media has got wrong this time is the same thing it gets wrong every time: the elbowing demand to push cameras and microphones into a still-shocked community, insisting on being the mediator of their grief.’

In the wake of the antisemitic Bondi killings, it has rarely been as wrenching to watch the disconnect between our media and its resident pundit class on the one hand, and the community reaction to tragedy on the other. In the former, it’s all anger, blame, guilt. In the latter, compassion, care and solidarity.'

'It’s all part of the increasing desperation of old media to keep pace with social media algorithms, which only continues to feed culture-warring that does so much to power hate crimes and contribute to our current crisis of truth.'

While news media shouts hate and anger, the community offers courage and care

'Part of what the media has got wrong this time is the same thing it gets wrong every time: the elbowing demand to push cameras and microphones into a still-shocked community, insisting on being the mediator of their grief.'

t.co