Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Gough]

And on it goes…

Retribution fears as Australian Muslims see surge in Islamophobic hate since Bondi terror attack

Security stepped up at mosques amid spate of targeted abuse as leaders mourn Bondi victims and say community will not ‘claim victimhood’

www.theguardian.com

It's September 11 all over again, right down to the political response and Chris Minns' own Patriot Act.

 

[Markfs]

I read a couple of articles about the bloke in WA. His ammunition is apparently legal. He had a hamas and hez flag. Evidently, he has 50 flags. He says that he collects them. Evidently he posted something to support the idiots at bondi. It's hard to defend that. It seems that he's one of these guys preparing for the zombie apocalypse....so he had matches etc. It seems that he had plans for smoke bombs but hadnt made anything and wasnt intending to.

I'm not saying he's innocent but they will need to put a lot of people in jail in the coming months.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It just occurred to me....is there anyway that SuSSan can be acceptable with those two middle letters?

So you use your own judgment to decide who to believe, which is also a road fraught with hazard.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Important to recognise that the legislation that passed NSW Parliament today introducing tougher legislative restrictions in NSW as a result of the Bondi massacre was passed with 18 votes in favour and eight against.

The Liberals joined the Labor government members in voting for the bill, while the Nationals and Shooters voted against.

The Greens members abstained.

Minns and his government will get the flack for any successful High Court challenge to the legislation (Minns openly admitted his government is not 100% certain that the legislation will survive such a challenge but that's often the case with major legislative change) but this is probably as bi-partisan as any legislation was going to get.

Politically smart of the Greens to abstain from the vote but also a bit gutless imho especially as the amended bill included a key amendment from them on tightening firearms laws for people with suspected terrorist links. As we saw in SA in 2024, the Greens are never going to support a Bill that imposes restrictions on protest rights - regardless of the circumstances.

NSW passes controversial new gun and protest laws in wake of Bondi attacks after marathon debate

The omnibus bill, which included amendments to multiple pieces of legislation, was criticised by both progressives and conservatives

www.theguardian.com

I strongly suspect that the existing gun legislation was not being well enforced.

If i would use a speeding analogy.
If the speed limit is 80, and 5% of drivers are going 120, then you don't need to drop the limit to 60.
You need to find a way to stop the 5%.
( But they do drop the limit. ).

Why did the guy have permits for guns?

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/133134/GR_TABLE.pdf

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I strongly suspect that the existing gun legislation was not being well enforced.

If i would use a speeding analogy.
If the speed limit is 80, and 5% of drivers are going 120, then you don't need to drop the limit to 60.
You need to find a way to stop the 5%.
( But they do drop the limit. ).

Why did the guy have permits for guns?

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/133134/GR_TABLE.pdf

Everyone has a car, but less than 5% of people have guns.

Tougher gun laws will only have a material effect on a small percentage of that 5%

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Everyone has a car, but less than 5% of people have guns.

Tougher gun laws will only have a material effect on a small percentage of that 5%

True...But you didn't get the analogy.
If most gun owners are already doing what the law requires, but the law isn't detecting the small amount of people who don't.
When they make the laws stricter will they detect the people who don't comply. ?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

This is probably why they are cooked.

It worked from 2010-2013 cos "axe the tax" and "stop the boats" were simple, catchy and had saturation coverage in the media at the time. They effectively brainwashed people.

This won't work. Maybe something will happen that will give them the same simple catchphrase but even then the media landscape has changed so much that they will never get that sort of saturation coverage again.

Well, they did recently have "If You Don't Know, Then Vote No", which seemed to work for them.

Of course they could've used "If You Don't Know, Then Get Off You're Arse And Find Out", but they clearly knew who they were appealing to.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

And on it goes…

Retribution fears as Australian Muslims see surge in Islamophobic hate since Bondi terror attack

Security stepped up at mosques amid spate of targeted abuse as leaders mourn Bondi victims and say community will not ‘claim victimhood’

www.theguardian.com

This is the predictable outcome, not sure why anyone would find this funny ElectricG

Harassment, vilification etc is disgusting regardless who is on the end of it.

 

[FreoRicci]

 

[FreoRicci]

I used to refer to the ABC for a variety of views, but I havent done it in a while. I used to trust BBC to some degree, but zionists took that over. I used to look at aljazeera for a non-west view but "his hairpiece" got a moderate sheikh in charge of it, in return for promises that Israel wouldnt bomb Qatar again....

so i'm left with tucker carlson...and candace owens for a catholic perspective

Tucker Carlson has done one of the most surprising incredible 180.
Amongst all this, his views are actually straight forward and sensible. Crazy world we live in now

 

[cartwright]

I read a couple of articles about the bloke in WA. His ammunition is apparently legal. He had a hamas and hez flag. Evidently, he has 50 flags. He says that he collects them. Evidently he posted something to support the idiots at bondi. It's hard to defend that. It seems that he's one of these guys preparing for the zombie apocalypse....so he had matches etc. It seems that he had plans for smoke bombs but hadnt made anything and wasnt intending to.

I'm not saying he's innocent but they will need to put a lot of people in jail in the coming months.

where can the libs deport “Martin Thomas Glynn” to?

 

[Orfullrules]

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Lol.

 

[Crankyhawk]

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somewhat confused by the I don't vote for his party, given that he was an ALP member and served as an MP during the Rudd years, as well as with Albo during the first term

or are there 2 politicians with the same name?

Hon Brendan O'Connor

Parliamentarian

www.aph.gov.au

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Old Mate Hawthorn1971 thinks dignity and restraint from a national leader are hilarious. Tells you all you need to know.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

somewhat confused by the I don't vote for his party, given that he was an ALP member and served as an MP during the Rudd years, as well as with Albo during the first term

or are there 2 politicians with the same name?

Hon Brendan O'Connor

Parliamentarian

www.aph.gov.au

Yes, somewhat confusing, given he's retired, so I'm not sure he is entitled to still call himself "MP".

But it looks like the same guy.

The Libs have a rich tradition on tipping the bucket on their former party - two former leaders, Fraser and Hewson, actually left the party after leaving politics, so maybe he's doing the same with Labor? Good to see if so.

Regardless, what he says is 100% on the money. Albo has maintained a dignified restraint, and has not politicised the tragedy at all.

Some of the attacks on Albanese from the Coalition, the Murdoch press and some sections of the Jewish lobby have been verging on ADS - Albanese Derangement Syndrome. Not sure who they're hoping to win over with such an OTT approach. Most Aussies are not that fervid and would instantly see it for the ridiculousness that it is.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Anyway, family is gathering by the tree to open pressies now, so a very merry and safe and peaceful Christmas everyone!

 

[Grumpyshades]

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embarrassing levels of spin

maybe because Albo would look like a bigger fool than he currently is. If that is possible

 

[big_e]

I read a couple of articles about the bloke in WA. His ammunition is apparently legal. He had a hamas and hez flag. Evidently, he has 50 flags. He says that he collects them. Evidently he posted something to support the idiots at bondi. It's hard to defend that. It seems that he's one of these guys preparing for the zombie apocalypse....so he had matches etc. It seems that he had plans for smoke bombs but hadnt made anything and wasnt intending to.

I'm not saying he's innocent but they will need to put a lot of people in jail in the coming months.

Either seriously struggling with his mental health, or a complete ****wit.

 

[sherb]

embarrassing levels of spin

maybe because Albo would look like a bigger fool than he currently is. If that is possible

It's about showing dignity and decorum after a tragedy.

Which is something the feral, unhinged right-wingers - from politicians down - have been unable to do. Because it's all just politics to them.

 

[Gough]

Wherever there's disunity in Australia Fat Gina's always there to cheer it on.

 

[Grumpyshades]

It's about showing dignity and decorum after a tragedy.

Which is something the feral, unhinged right-wingers - from politicians down - have been unable to do. Because it's all just politics to them.

insults. spin, deflection. Classic lefty with zero facts or arguments..not sure there is much dignity pretending it's a gun issue

 

[sherb]

insults. spin, deflection. Classic lefty with zero facts or arguments..not sure there is much dignity pretending it's a gun issue

Tightening gun laws doesn't make it a "gun issue". It means that gun control is simply one aspect of responding to what has happened.

And nothing insulting about my description of conservatives. It's actually a genuine assessment of them given what I have seen here and elsewhere post the atrocity.

 

[Gough]

Tightening down on gun laws doesn't make it a "gun issue". It means that gun control is simply one aspect of responding to what has happened.

And nothing insulting about my description of conservatives. It's actually a genuine assessment of them given what I have seen here and elsewhere post the atrocity.

Those screaming for an RC might want to have a think about how they'd respond to recommendations depriving them of their beloved weapons.

 

[Markfs]

Old Mate Hawthorn1971 thinks dignity and restraint from a national leader are hilarious. Tells you all you need to know.

You must be extremely perceptive ...next time i want to comment on your posts, i'll just send a funny face...

 

[Seeds]

How do you know it's false and life wasn't created? Science doesn't know what existed pre big bang.

There is an answer to this. Actually there is a couple. But this is not the thread for it.