Which side is closer to a premiership - Carlton or Essendon?

[PowerfulPies2023]

Carlton Bombers
Essendon Blues

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Rebuilding from the middle rungs of the ladder isn't too bad. It's better than being stuck in the bottom 4 for years on end look at North Melbourne they've only won 20 games between 2020-2025 and West Coast who have only won 11 games between 2022-2025. Compare this to Carlton who won 28 games between 2002-2007 they were sanctioned for salary cap cheating yet still managed to have a better record than the North Melbourne and West Coast sides of recent years.

Agree we are having a mini rebuild and will get to do it with access to high end draft picks.

Jagga Smith would arguably have gone #1 in this years draft
Harry Dean will be pick 3
Cody Ison - Considered a late 1st round pick, but rated very highly internally
Cody Walker - Likely top 3 pick.

I look at 2030 as our likely next premiership window, it will be too late for Cripps who will end up like Richo, Deledio, Bob Murphy etc the story of club greats who ultimately missed out on the success they so richly deserved.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

The reason why both clubs are in this mess is Scott Camporeale

Scott Camporeale

Age

50

Ht

180cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

14.9

5star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

. It's the Scott Camporeale

Scott Camporeale

Age

50

Ht

180cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

14.9

5star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

curse. He left both teams in tatters.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Justin Murphy

Justin Murphy

Age

49

Ht

185cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.1

3star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

as well. Whenever a club plays for two or more teams it puts a hex on them. Like Trent Nichols. He played for West Coast, Richmond and North Melbourne. All 3 are at the bottom.

It catches up with you.

 

[Saint]

Neither of them looks like they're in Premiership contention. Cripps will be well and truly gone from Carlton when they're nearing any foreseeable peak. Sam Walsh

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Sam Walsh

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

will probably leave by then too, and I doubt Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

Age

28

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

will have a lot of longevity in the game.

Essendon aren't much better. Merrett will be gone sooner rather than later. I think Carlton's young brigade aren't as good, but neither of them look like the shape of a future premiership team without a lot more top-end talent.

Carlton will have a better chance to build this with additional first round picks in the next two years. But Essendon's hand this year will be a bit make-or-break for looking for a premiership in the next 10 years.

 

[TheUnicorn]

Essendon are mediocre and have been for a long time so how come they aren't filling the front page like Carlton are?

Because we don’t engage as much on the main board as all the Carlton nuffies so it’s boring for those trying to get a kick out of it.

 

[mhill]

Essendon are mediocre and have been for a long time so how come they aren't filling the front page like Carlton are?

Are you serious? Essendon are/have been constantly front pages - sacking coaches, forcing their captain to stay and the only reason they weren’t on front pages this year was Brad Scott’s magnificent spin on the list which has anchored the club in a malaise. That won’t last.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Bomber Blues vs Essendon Carlton

 

[LeBronco]

Are you serious? Essendon are/have been constantly front pages - sacking coaches, forcing their captain to stay and the only reason they weren’t on front pages this year was Brad Scott’s magnificent spin on the list which has anchored the club in a malaise. That won’t last.

When I said front page I was talking about the front page of this forum. Also if you do a search of threads on here there are more threads about Carlton than Essendon. The clubs with the least amount of threads about them on here tend to be St Kilda and Western Bulldogs.

 

[Mr.X]

Essendon have had a decent off season and may not be that far away.
With less injuries, they could jump up quickly

 

[windyhill]

When I said front page I was talking about the front page of this forum. Also if you do a search of threads on here there are more threads about Carlton than Essendon. The clubs with the least amount of threads about them on here tend to be St Kilda and Western Bulldogs.

And gws.

 

[LeBronco]

And gws.

We get more threads made about us on here than St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Gold Coast and Melbourne. Rusted on Giants fans are around on here despite people calling us irrelevant and NRL trolls pretending to support GWS give us a bad name.

 

[Mr.X]

Neither of them looks like they're in Premiership contention..

agreed, both are a long way from a flag.

 

[LeBronco]

Justin Murphy as well. Whenever a club plays for two or more teams it puts a hex on them. Like Trent Nichols. He played for West Coast, Richmond and North Melbourne. All 3 are at the bottom.

It catches up with you.

Justin Murphy also played for Geelong and they've been excellent for 20 years now.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Justin Murphy also played for Geelong and they've been excellent for 20 years now.

Yes but he put a hex on then for 2008. It's why they lost.

 

[Mr.X]

When I said front page I was talking about the front page of this forum. Also if you do a search of threads on here there are more threads about Carlton than Essendon. The clubs with the least amount of threads about them on here tend to be St Kilda and Western Bulldogs.

Essendon are very relevant and get attention irrespective of where they are on the ladder.

Still a powerhouse club

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

The Scott Camporeale

Scott Camporeale

Age

50

Ht

180cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

14.9

5star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

curse. And Justin Murphy

Justin Murphy

Age

49

Ht

185cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.1

3star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

7.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

. Trent Nichols played for Richmond North and West Coast and look where all 3 are now.

 

[LeBronco]

Essendon are very relevant and get attention irrespective of where they are on the ladder.

Still a powerhouse club

I was talking about this forum not the media, unless you count this forum as part of the media?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Essendon have had a decent off season and may not be that far away.
With less injuries, they could jump up quickly

Bottom 4 imo.

They lack quality experienced players & too many of their younger talent are under 50 games.

Carlton doing a mini rebuild, but still have plenty of quality experience over the ground... so will be better in the short term.

 

[THE_GUN]

Agree we are having a mini rebuild and will get to do it with access to high end draft picks.

Jagga Smith would arguably have gone #1 in this years draft
Harry Dean will be pick 3
Cody Ison - Considered a late 1st round pick, but rated very highly internally
Cody Walker - Likely top 3 pick.

I look at 2030 as our likely next premiership window, it will be too late for Cripps who will end up like Richo, Deledio, Bob Murphy etc the story of club greats who ultimately missed out on the success they so richly deserved.

By that time
Cripps , Walsh , Wietering , McKay , Hewett , Cerra , Florent , Hayward , Pittonet , Newman , Boyd , Saad will be gone or past it as well as some of the unknown kids that wont make it.

It will be a very very different Carlton side in 4 years time

 

[timokane]

blues is 6-7 years bombers are 12 years

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Essendon are very relevant and get attention irrespective of where they are on the ladder.

Still a powerhouse club

Generally powerhouse clubs win more than zero finals game in twenty one going on twenty two years though!

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Sad thing is your right about The Hawthorn footy club.

I would back Carlton to win their next final quicker than Essendon.

I actually think North Melbourne will win a final sooner than Essendon. This is despite spending every year in the last 6 years in the bottom 2 or 3

Brad Scott won't survive the year at the Bombers i reckon. The new chairman they have is a Sheedy/Hird plant. Bad news indeed for Bombers fans, but very much great news for the rest of us!

 

[mhill]

Brad Scott won't survive the year at the Bombers i reckon. The new chairman they have is a Sheedy/Hird plant. Bad news indeed for Bombers fans, but very much great news for the rest of us!

Essendon need to piss off everyone at the club that enables the coterie to have a say in how it is run. They leak news like TMZ.
Paul Little still has too much influence behind the scenes. His ego is toxic.
Get a great CEO and empower him/her to actually run the club which involves telling everyone outside the club to eff off.

Fix that and the rest will follow.

Carlton have done that and therefore are ahead of the Bombers.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Essendon need to piss off everyone at the club that enables the coterie to have a say in how it is run. They leak news like TMZ.
Paul Little still has too much influence behind the scenes. His ego is toxic.
Get a great CEO and empower him/her to actually run the club which involves telling everyone outside the club to eff off.

Fix that and the rest will follow.

Carlton have done that and therefore are ahead of the Bombers.

Yes inspite of Carlton being a shambles themselves for most of the past two decades, we still somehow have managed to be a better and more competently run club than Essendon.

Old Carlton would've thrown Vossy to the wolves at the end of last season instead of giving him one more season. Was it the right decision though? Time will tell on that i guess!