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[Frank Grimes]

USA is the new axis of evil

My concern is how the Greenland envoy representative openly references the Monroe Doctrine in a recent interview. I also heard it raised in other forums but can't recollect the exact ones as at the time I didn't know what the Monroe Doctrine is.

Monroe Doctrine is the ideology of dividing the world into 3 spheres of influence. The North/South America, Europe and Asia.

What this ideology means is one sphere of influence can not intervene or influence the other spheres.

I think the result of this ideology would be the super power within each geographical area (USA, Russia and China) having exclusive influence of all the other countries within that area, severely diminishing the smaller countries sovereignty. It forces the smaller country to be an ally or subservient to the super power of the region rather having their own autonomy to choose or determine their allies based on their free will and values.

I'm not sure where Africa and Australia would fall in this ideology. I'd imagine Europe and Asia based on geographical location.

 

[troybe]

My concern is how the Greenland envoy representative openly references the Monroe Doctrine in a recent interview. I also heard it raised in other forums but can't recollect the exact ones as at the time I didn't know what the Monroe Doctrine is.

Monroe Doctrine is the ideology of dividing the world into 3 spheres of influence. The North/South America, Europe and Asia.

What this ideology means is one sphere of influence can not intervene or influence the other spheres.

I think the result of this ideology would be the super power within each geographical area (USA, Russia and China) having exclusive influence of all the other countries within that area, severely diminishing the smaller countries sovereignty. It forces the smaller country to be an ally or subservient to the super power of the region rather having their own autonomy to choose or determine their allies based on their free will and values.

I'm not sure where Africa and Australia would fall in this ideology. I'd imagine Europe and Asia based on geographical location.

This is a very rudimentary map but at least Australia’s not in the CONCACAF group

 

[10571z]

My concern is how the Greenland envoy representative openly references the Monroe Doctrine in a recent interview. I also heard it raised in other forums but can't recollect the exact ones as at the time I didn't know what the Monroe Doctrine is.

Monroe Doctrine is the ideology of dividing the world into 3 spheres of influence. The North/South America, Europe and Asia.

What this ideology means is one sphere of influence can not intervene or influence the other spheres.

I think the result of this ideology would be the super power within each geographical area (USA, Russia and China) having exclusive influence of all the other countries within that area, severely diminishing the smaller countries sovereignty. It forces the smaller country to be an ally or subservient to the super power of the region rather having their own autonomy to choose or determine their allies based on their free will and values.

I'm not sure where Africa and Australia would fall in this ideology. I'd imagine Europe and Asia based on geographical location.

Can’t imagine Russia ever having control over Europe as long as NATO exists.

 

[RCAB]

It wouldn’t be good to see the United States invade Greenland, and I agree with that concern. Hopefully, the language being used is simply leverage aimed at negotiating some form of deal.

From a strategic standpoint, it’s understandable why the U.S. would want Greenland, but ultimately it isn’t theirs to take.

Russia and Chinas presence in the Arctic sea is rising and that can’t be ignored. Is NATO safer with USA controlling that region or China and Russia?

What do you mean a deal?

Greenland is already a protectorate of the US. Are they going to send troops out and then send them all back in again, for a fee?

 

[Elroo]

Trump demanding the US ban mail in voting, as the US is the only country stupid enough to allow it.




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[10571z]

What do you mean a deal?

Greenland is already a protectorate of the US. Are they going to send troops out and then send them all back in again, for a fee?

I think you’ll find Greenland isn’t a protectorate of the USA.

A deal? Exactly that. A negotiation to get what they want.

 

[GreyCrow]

The more I read and watch about Venezuela, the clearer it becomes just how devastating things have become. At this point, it’s difficult to see how life there could deteriorate much further even under the USA.

Have you found those numbers you said fled?

 

[10571z]

Have you found those numbers you said fled?

7.9m according to this?

https://www.unhcr.org/au/emergencies/venezuela-situation

 

[GreyCrow]

7.9m according to this?

https://www.unhcr.org/au/emergencies/venezuela-situation

Interesting.

This page suggests 2m is the most it could be

Venezuela Population (2025) - Worldometer

Population of Venezuela: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

 

[10571z]

Interesting.

This page suggests 2m is the most it could be

Venezuela Population (2025) - Worldometer

Population of Venezuela: current, historical, and projected population, growth rate, immigration, median age, total fertility rate (TFR), population density, urbanization, urban population, country's share of world population, and global rank. Data tables, maps, charts, and live population clock

www.worldometers.info

Is that your “gotcha” moment?

I mean there is ample sources that say otherwise.

Your link also doesn’t show you exactly how many left by any means

 

[Quokka]

Between Trumps recent comments and Steven Millers comments in the interview ( the rules based order after World war 2 should not apply and that the US can invade any country if it suits their national interest) I'd say that Greenland is going to be Annexed by the US within the next 6 months either by coercion or by invasion.

And if by force that should be enough to start a war with the US and move towards a version of WW3. It's actually scarier to realise that we're in a world where it won't.

 

[GreyCrow]

It wouldn’t be good to see the United States invade Greenland, and I agree with that concern. Hopefully, the language being used is simply leverage aimed at negotiating some form of deal.

From a strategic standpoint, it’s understandable why the U.S. would want Greenland, but ultimately it isn’t theirs to take.

Russia and Chinas presence in the Arctic sea is rising and that can’t be ignored. Is NATO safer with USA controlling that region or China and Russia?

Quoted before edit

 

[schneebly111]

Russia and Chinas presence in the Arctic sea is rising and that can’t be ignored. Is NATO safer with USA controlling that region or China and Russia?

That’s funny as the U.S. Navy sails nuclear armed carrier battle groups near the Taiwan Straits just a few miles off China coast and their message is “we’re in international waters b*tches deal with it”. But then with this map of the Arctic which shows the U.S. has little coastline along the Arctic:



Now you’re starting an attempt to provide justification for a U.S. annexation of Greenland. China’s “rising presence” is limited to cargo ships and research vessels and hasn’t spoken of military invasions like America just has. They are the threat.

As a side note it’s also funny that by admitting the increase in importance of the Arctic due to ice melting opening up shipping lanes the Trump administration are also acknowledging climate change is real for once.

 

[Couch Coach]

Dispite disagreeing with a certain poster on numerous issues this is from the UNHCR:

https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/venezuela/

 

[RCAB]

I think you’ll find Greenland isn’t a protectorate of the USA.

A deal? Exactly that. A negotiation to get what they want.

What's the deal?

 

[GreyCrow]

Is that your “gotcha” moment?

I mean there is ample sources that say otherwise.

Your link also doesn’t show you exactly how many left by any means

No its not a gotcha

I kept reading this figure of 8m so ''i did my own research bro '' and the figures from a seemingly reputable source didnt add up

Might need to study both sites to see how they came up with their figures

 

[The Sultan]

I hate to break it to you but here are the facts:

Jet fuel energy density: https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/EvelynGofman.shtml

Between 43-48mj kg

Li-Ion Battery energy density: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

• 0.46 - 0.72 MJ/kg: Common commercial range.
• 0.54 - 0.9 MJ/kg: Modern cells often fall here (equivalent to 150-250 Wh/kg)

A fully fueled A320 commercial contains 23,000kg of jet fuel:

Airbus A320 family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This equates to 989,000 MJ of energy stored in jet fuel on a fully fueled A320.

You need 43 x that in battery power right now with the very best battery technology around just to break even with energy of a fully fueled A320.

Converting it to battery energy sees 1,100,000kg of Li-Ion battery energy being required (going off the very best available in battery technology right now) The heaviest A320 series aircraft has a MTOW of 93,000kg.




We won't be seeing battery powered commercial airliners in our lifetimes the size of an A320/737 or bigger. Battery technology is improving but not by a factor of x 43.



Maybe within 30-50 years a 20 seat commuter aircraft with a range of 1000kms or less might happen if we're lucky.


This equation is even worse for massive cargo ships which weigh up to 236,000T. These will be ICE powered for the next 200 years minimum.

Dont need battery powered aircraft, trucking, and cargo ships.. as long as consumer internal combustions move away from oil then it would reduce the over requirement.

personal vehicles are slowly moving to battery / hybrid. majority of consumer garden equipment, will be battery in a few years, land and pro users will stay with petrol.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This is a bare minimum of what needs to happen to every MAGA supporter.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Between Trumps recent comments and Steven Millers comments in the interview ( the rules based order after World war 2 should not apply and that the US can invade any country if it suits their national interest) I'd say that Greenland is going to be Annexed by the US within the next 6 months either by coercion or by invasion.

They are going to come for Greenland and this country will still be sitting on the fence between being economic friends with China yet being militarily aligned with the USA.

Those AUKUS submarines were never coming, but now that the Trump-led GOP is in, it has become a certainty.

They will never come to our rescue if we are attacked by a hypothetical enemy, which was a load of bollocks said to defend their presence here. First it was Indonesia, now it’s China, who depend on our minerals and ore to build their cities and raise their urbanisation to a high level (we are 20% more urbanised for example). Why would they disrupt that. It’s fear mongering.

Leaving the tit of America does not mean we have to be Chinas right hand man. There are plenty of countries willing to work with us. Maybe we should start with our neighbours.

 

[Nikita Blue]

I was talking about the policy views of people in the party. Not policies implemented by biden himself at the federal level in the past. And the term fringe was solely in reference to them being a minority within the party albeit a significant one.

In saying that biden did implement dei policy targets in the federal workforce. Hiring targets based on identity rather than solely merit. Which is what identity stuff is. Most of the identity policies being pushed by the party, however, are not being being pushed through the federal level but at the state and community levels where the identity supporters arent alway fringe but the majority.

What are your thoughts on hiring people based purely on their loyalty to Trump. Would you call that identity politics?

 

[Vindicater]

We all know Trump only wants Greenland so he can rename it Trumpland right?

 

[GreyCrow]

They will never come to our rescue if we are attacked by a hypothetical enemy, which was a load of bollocks said to defend their presence here. First it was Indonesia, now it’s China, who depend on our steel to build their cities and raise their urbanisation to a high level (we are 20% more urbanised for example). Why would they disrupt that. It’s fear mongering.

My concern with the current US Government is it will be transactional


Putting my tinfoil cap on I can see a phone call between Trump and Xi where Xi is asked to ''scare Austria '' so there is pressure on a minerals deal

 

[10571z]

This is a bare minimum of what needs to happen to every MAGA supporter.

How do we know he is an ICE agent sorry?

 

[QuietB]

My concern is how the Greenland envoy representative openly references the Monroe Doctrine in a recent interview. I also heard it raised in other forums but can't recollect the exact ones as at the time I didn't know what the Monroe Doctrine is.

Monroe Doctrine is the ideology of dividing the world into 3 spheres of influence. The North/South America, Europe and Asia.

What this ideology means is one sphere of influence can not intervene or influence the other spheres.

I think the result of this ideology would be the super power within each geographical area (USA, Russia and China) having exclusive influence of all the other countries within that area, severely diminishing the smaller countries sovereignty. It forces the smaller country to be an ally or subservient to the super power of the region rather having their own autonomy to choose or determine their allies based on their free will and values.

I'm not sure where Africa and Australia would fall in this ideology. I'd imagine Europe and Asia based on geographical location.

Russia has never and will never rule Europe.

There are 600 million people to the south of America. The USA will not be ruling them any time soon either.

 

[faible]

If they're leaning left wing Greens, why didn't they join the Greens then? They have environmentalist leanings. not left socioeconomic leanings

I assumed he said 'green' not 'Greens' because it meant the environmental thing not the political Party.

The Greens have always been pretty progressive socially and economically, Teals are moderately socially progressive and economically conservative which is pretty much where the bulk of the 'conservative' population of Australia would be.

We don't have the same level of social conservatism as the US does outside of very small pockets of society, and most voters believe in things like climate change and providing some level of publicly funded healthcare and education (aka SOCIALISM).

The current LNP is pretty out of touch with what a conservative voter looks like these days IMO, they're chasing the US conservative / One Nation style voter at the expense of the Australian centre-right voter.