Operation Epstein Fury: US/Israel attack on Iran

[Saint]

Strong take.

All of them, you reckon?

If somebody moves onto stolen land against international law, there's got to be some acknowledgement that they share the guilt.

Not this hand-wringing stuff of "oh, it's just cheaper out here, we don't hate the arabs, we just help our terrorist friends kill them every now and then and protest when they get arrested."

 

[Chief]

What about people who were born there? Grew up there?

 

[Markfs]

Evidently the americans are saying that the current state cant go on much longer because Rome is entering the holiday period, and Romans will want to go down the coast and hang out in baths and drink wine, and they'll need gas for their chariots. One feels for them.

Maybe Trump should stage a few gladiator extravaganzas over summer to placate the masses. It worked last time. Or he could burn down new york

 

[Markfs]

66% of elderly republicans in the US have some or a lot of confidence in Netanyahoo. Almost half of all republicans are in the same boat. The survey was undertaken at the end of march. I wish they had surveys in germany in the early 1940s. I'd like to see comparisons.

Negative views of Israel, Netanyahu continue to rise among Americans – especially young people

Views of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu have grown more negative among U.S. adults, with majorities under 50 in both parties rating them poorly.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[barreness]

66% of elderly republicans in the US have some or a lot of confidence in Netanyahoo. Almost half of all republicans are in the same boat. The survey was undertaken at the end of march. I wish they had surveys in germany in the early 1940s. I'd like to see comparisons.

Negative views of Israel, Netanyahu continue to rise among Americans – especially young people

Views of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu have grown more negative among U.S. adults, with majorities under 50 in both parties rating them poorly.

www.pewresearch.org

Might be time for a Young Einstein re-watch

 

[IlovethePies]

As the article below explains, the initiative "Project Freedom" is aimed at creating a pretext for renewing the military onslaught against Iran. Iran is to be goaded into an attack on one of Washington's so called "humitarian escorts" and Trump will declare that Iran has carried out a crime, so it is necessary to eliminate this rogue regime once and for all. A military campaign of even more lethal weaponry will then be unleashed on Iran. Far from having anything "humanitarian" about it, Project Freedom represents an entirely criminal escalation of the war.

"According to US Central Command, “Project Freedom” will involve the mobilization of guided-missile destroyers, more than 100 aircraft and some 15,000 service members. Within hours of Trump’s statement, the fragile truce that brought over six weeks of savage US-led bombing of Iranian cities to an end on April 7 began breaking down.

The Strait of Hormuz—through which roughly one-fifth of the world’s oil supply passes—cannot simply be “secured” by escorting tankers with warships. Trump is recklessly endangering the lives of thousands of American sailors and airmen, placing them in the line of fire in a narrow chokepoint where Iran retains the ability to disrupt traffic with drones, missiles and small naval vessels. The point is not to “protect commerce,” but to create the conditions for a provocation. Any clash can be seized upon as the pretext for a new stage of imperialist barbarism.

Trump’s escalation flows directly from the failure of the war to achieve its objectives. Washington began this war on the assumption that Iran could be rapidly coerced into submission, that its state structures would fracture under decapitation strikes and mass bombardment, and that US control over the Persian Gulf could be asserted without provoking major disruption. However, Iran has not capitulated, and the Strait remains contested. "

Trump’s deployment of warships to Strait of Hormuz escalates Iran war

The increasingly desperate actions of American imperialism express the strategic debacle it confronts after 35 years of uninterrupted wars of aggression.

www.wsws.org

 

[Spearman]

Might be time for a Young Einstein re-watch

Hey, that where I learned a lot about Australia from!

 

[Chief]

Is this a precursor to the final ban? Is so, adieu...

If you're going to keep adding to the pile, someone will notice.

 

[Saint]

What about people who were born there? Grew up there?

It's still stolen land and need sto go back to its rightful owners. It's an active occupation. Aren't Israel still chasing up stolen WW2 gold/art? But the current owners were born with it, why shouldn't they keep it?

 

[barreness]

It's still stolen land and need sto go back to its rightful owners. It's an active occupation. Aren't Israel still chasing up stolen WW2 gold/art? But the current owners were born with it, why shouldn't they keep it?

But in all seriousness it's a difficult question as a white Australian. We took the good bits and allowed them token native title rights on the bits we weren't using

Like I can view Israel chasing down WW2 Nazis and assassinating them in the 70's as fair enough, while genociding current Palestinians as unacceptable

 

[Chief]

It's still stolen land and need sto go back to its rightful owners. It's an active occupation. Aren't Israel still chasing up stolen WW2 gold/art? But the current owners were born with it, why shouldn't they keep it?

Not the same thing. You don't literally build your house and community on top of gold and art.

 

[Saint]

Not the same thing. You don't literally build your house and community on top of gold and art.

Yes, the land and community stealing and appropriating is many times worse.

 

[schneebly111]

As the article below explains, the initiative "Project Freedom" is aimed at creating a pretext for renewing the military onslaught against Iran.

Aaaaaand it’s over before it even properly began:

Trump puts ‘Project Freedom’ on hold, saying he hopes to finalise a deal with Iran

US president says he is pausing US effort to guide stranded vessels out of the strait of Hormuz but blockade remains

www.theguardian.com

The truth about Project “Free Dumb” will come to light in the coming days, my guess is the U.S. Navy Guinea pig ships they used for a trial run near the Strait got smacked quite hard by Iranian land based anti ship missiles and they weren’t able to take out the launcher locations so they scurried off like the cowards they are. They can bomb and launch missiles from afar but won’t engage in a fight when they know they’ll take losses.

 

[Not Important]

love the irony.

 

[QuietB]

Aaaaaand it’s over before it even properly began:

Trump puts ‘Project Freedom’ on hold, saying he hopes to finalise a deal with Iran

US president says he is pausing US effort to guide stranded vessels out of the strait of Hormuz but blockade remains

www.theguardian.com

The truth about Project “Free Dumb” will come to light in the coming days, my guess is the U.S. Navy Guinea pig ships they used for a trial run near the Strait got smacked quite hard by Iranian land based anti ship missiles and they weren’t able to take out the launcher locations so they scurried off like the cowards they are. They can bomb and launch missiles from afar but won’t engage in a fight when they know they’ll take losses.

There is not one single good option for the US to escalate this war.

If they go conventional they use all - and lose all - their military resources. If they go nuclear they become a pariah state instantly.

The next problem is Iran does not have to agree to anything. The deal Trump is going to get is going to be so bad it is laughable. Of course we will never see the details and Trump will sell it as victory and his sycophants will all drink the koolaid.

Meanwhile in the real world, alternatives to the petrodollar will strengthen and expand, the US military has been exposed as a Cold War era paper tiger that is simply not fit for purpose, and everyone (except Israel) will be doing everything they can to work around the USA from now on - they cannot be trusted and they are idiots.

What happens to Israel and/or what Israel does remains to be seen. I cannot imagine it is good.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

There is not one single good option for the US to escalate this war.

If they go conventional they use all - and lose all - their military resources. If they go nuclear they become a pariah state instantly.

The next problem is Iran does not have to agree to anything. The deal Trump is going to get is going to be so bad it is laughable. Of course we will never see the details and Trump will sell it as victory and his sycophants will all drink the koolaid.

Meanwhile in the real world, alternatives to the petrodollar will strengthen and expand, the US military has been exposed as a Cold War era paper tiger that is simply not fit for purpose, and everyone (except Israel) will be doing everything they can to work around the USA from now on - they cannot be trusted and they are idiots.

What happens to Israel and/or what Israel does remains to be seen. I cannot imagine it is good.

Not sure about that

From reports the "deal" was largely done albeit Iran wanted to delay agreeing to Nuclear terms which the US obviously didn't accept.

There's a way forward where there's agreement that's positive for both countries. If Iran can get to the point where it can trade its oil for a fair market price and free from any type of sanctions, that will be massive for them economically.

The finer points will come out eventually, but i don't think its going to be "bad" for either of them.

We shall see.

 

[Harlott]

Not sure about that

From reports the "deal" was largely done albeit Iran wanted to delay agreeing to Nuclear terms which the US obviously didn't accept.

There's a way forward where there's agreement that's positive for both countries. If Iran can get to the point where it can trade its oil for a fair market price and free from any type of sanctions, that will be massive for them economically.

The finer points will come out eventually, but i don't think its going to be "bad" for either of them.

We shall see.

There’s only one fine point. The Iranians want the ability to protect themselves or as the Israelis will put it, we don’t want them to be an existential threat to us.

 

[crowman2]

Not sure about that

From reports the "deal" was largely done albeit Iran wanted to delay agreeing to Nuclear terms which the US obviously didn't accept.

There's a way forward where there's agreement that's positive for both countries. If Iran can get to the point where it can trade its oil for a fair market price and free from any type of sanctions, that will be massive for them economically.

The finer points will come out eventually, but i don't think its going to be "bad" for either of them.

We shall see.

You would think the deal obviously involves nukes, funding militants and the straight

Iran in return gets back frozen assets and sanctions removed

Win win

 

[QuietB]

Sadly some commentators are saying the USA is just positioning to resume their attacks. I hope that does not happen - nothing good can come from it. Trump has form though

 

[QuietB]

Incompetent w***ers

 

[Baldur]

Incompetent w***ers

So Rubio how are you going to bring those murdered girls back to life?

 

[Markfs]

If you're going to keep adding to the pile, someone will notice.

Well that contains a suitable level of level of "persuasion".

 

[Markfs]

Marco Rubio is a slimey little thing....a shape shifter. He was refugee from Castro but the timing didnt fit his scenario. He started out a catholic but went religion shopping for a number of years. Now he's wearing shoes 10 sizes too big to suck up to his boss. I've heard that he uses a hat stand in order to stand for speeches.

 

[Markfs]

You would think the deal obviously involves nukes, funding militants and the straight

Iran in return gets back frozen assets and sanctions removed

Win win

excuse me, I have a psychological defect. I cant stand people using the word "straight" instead of "strait". Could you please adjust so that I wont have another attack.

 

[Saint]

You would think the deal obviously involves nukes, funding militants and the straight

Iran in return gets back frozen assets and sanctions removed

Win win

You would hope that if Iran agrees to stop funding terrorism in the Middle East in Hezbollah and hamas, that the USA also agrees to stop funding terrorism in the Israeli Government.

Terrorism in the IDF is justified by terrorism from Hamas and Hezbollah, just like terrorism in Hezbollah and Hamas is justified by Israeli terrorism.

Just like if Iran agrees to the NPT that Israel should agree to the NPT.